Uh Oh...Cheater cheater pumpkin eater...L1 for the 4 team

aunty dive said:
He'll rush in from an outside parking lot ... exhausted from a day of texting his team from inside his rental car.
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There's something NASCAR probably needs to fix too. Suspended crew chiefs and car chiefs should not be able to communicate with the ANYONE during the race. Perhaps they should have to go to the R&D center and watch the race in a room under the supervision of a NASCAR official.
 
Revman said:
He should be allowed. There was no performance advantage. He got screwed. Poor guy.
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Performance advantage is irrelevant. Not only was the part mounted outside the defined specs, it was an illegal part to begin with. Rules violations should be called whether there's a benefit or not.
 
If there wasn't a performance advantage, why go to all of the trouble..for fun? ah just blowing a few thou, something to do. Like Zippy said they go over every inch of their cars. One of them sees something different they are getting away with, they all try it. Sooner or later somebody gets caught and pays the price. Who knows if they will stiffen up the penalties. They have talked big about the inspections, lasted for a couple of races.
 
Formerjackman said:
There's something NASCAR probably needs to fix too. Suspended crew chiefs and car chiefs should not be able to communicate with the ANYONE during the race. Perhaps they should have to go to the R&D center and watch the race in a room under the supervision of a NASCAR official.
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Nah, make 'em watch it from the NBC booth with the gerbils. :eek:
 
Nobody believes there wasn't a performance advantage. Well, nobody else. Childers didn't even make that absurd claim. He claimed that it was a minimal advantage, and that other teams were accomplishing the same thing by moving the decklid. All of which may be true, but they got caught, them's the breaks.
 
Formerjackman said:
There's something NASCAR probably needs to fix too. Suspended crew chiefs and car chiefs should not be able to communicate with the ANYONE during the race. Perhaps they should have to go to the R&D center and watch the race in a room under the supervision of a NASCAR official.
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The most Important stuff is done at the shop, keeping those guys away wont effect anything. Those teams have tons of experience they can go to to call a race.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Nah, make 'em watch it from the NBC booth with the gerbils. :eek:
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I think you've come up with the harshest addition to the deterrence model yet. All suspended team members will be monitored by NASCAR personnel during races and required to wear headphones playing Jeff Button's and Rick Allen's commentary.
 
Spotter22 said:
The most Important stuff is done at the shop, keeping those guys away wont effect anything. Those teams have tons of experience they can go to to call a race.
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I agree about the stuff done at the shop, but I don't think it's right that with modern technology, a crew chief can basically call a race from home or wherever almost as if he was on top of the pit box. That kind of makes the suspension pointless, doesn't it?
 
Formerjackman said:
I agree about the stuff done at the shop, but I don't think it's right that with modern technology, a crew chief can basically call a race from home or wherever almost as if he was on top of the pit box. That kind of makes the suspension pointless, doesn't it?
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Sure he can make the calls from home but he isnt gonna come up with anything different then Tony Gibson will.
 
Then why send the crew chief to the track at all? Let them stay home and work on cars, not that most of them ever touch a car anyway. What happened to all of that relationship between driver and crew chief that is supposed to be so important? Now it doesn't matter? I think that a good crew chief in sync with the feedback they are getting from the driver and can make great calls on the fly like Paul Wolf certainly makes a difference. I think the world of Tony Gibson, but I don't think anybody would trade Childers for him.
 
Formerjackman said:
Then why send the crew chief to the track at all? Let them stay home and work on cars, not that most of them ever touch a car anyway. What happened to all of that relationship between driver and crew chief that is supposed to be so important? Now it doesn't matter? I think that a good crew chief in sync with the feedback they are getting from the driver and can make great calls on the fly like Paul Wolf certainly makes a difference. I think the world of Tony Gibson, but I don't think anybody would trade Childers for him.
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I'm talking for a couple of races its not gonna matter.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Performance advantage is irrelevant. Not only was the part mounted outside the defined specs, it was an illegal part to begin with. Rules violations should be called whether there's a benefit or not.
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Teams don't make spoilers. The spoiler was mounted WRONG according to specs.
The officials haven't been trained to know if it off center although they can spot stuff on pit road just before a race. :p
 
Team Penske said:
Teams don't make spoilers. The spoiler was mounted WRONG according to specs.
The officials haven't been trained to know if it off center although they can spot stuff on pit road just before a race. :p
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NASCAR SVP Scott Miller says the Kevin Harvick was spoiler's height was OK but the spoiler was moved to the right, which helped aerodynamic performance. He said it doesn't matter if the team altered a spoiler bought by the approved provider or made its own, but NASCAR believes it was a separate manufactured part by SHR.
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Team Penske said:
The part was still meeting all specs except it's position on the deck. I applaud them for making their own parts. Never liked the idea that teams had to buy parts from Nascar.
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I don't care one way or the other whether they make or buy them, but the rules say that part must be purchased and who it must be purchased from. Childers wasn't 'screwed', as Revman said. He's responsible for his team having mounted a part they knew was illegal when they made it. I don't have much problem with teams pushing the rules, but I have no sympathy for them when they're caught flat-out breaking them.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
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The punishment you called for would be worse than being pecked to pieces by a flock of sparrows :eek:
Team Penske said:
The part was still meeting all specs except it's position on the deck. I applaud them for making their own parts. Never liked the idea that teams had to buy parts from Nascar.
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They didn't reposition it on the deck for good looks
 
The race-winning Phoenix car of Kyle Busch, second-place car of Brad Keselowski and the cars of playoff drivers Kevin Harvick and Chase Elliott have passed technical inspection at NASCAR's research center in North Carolina. There were no points penalties to Cup teams from the Phoenix weekend.
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Team Penske said:
The part was still meeting all specs except it's position on the deck. I applaud them for making their own parts. Never liked the idea that teams had to buy parts from Nascar.
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They don't buy them from NASCAR, they buy them from an approved supplier, whether it be the car manufacturer, or an outside supplier, like Roush for the roof flaps, all of the CoT rear wings came from Crawford Composites, etc.
 
Formerjackman said:
They don't buy them from NASCAR, they buy them from an approved supplier, whether it be the car manufacturer, or an outside supplier, like Roush for the roof flaps, all of the CoT rear wings came from Crawford Composites, etc.
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And next you will be saying Nascar didn't benefit in any way from these forced sales.
 
StandOnIt said:
The race-winning Phoenix car of Kyle Busch, second-place car of Brad Keselowski and the cars of playoff drivers Kevin Harvick and Chase Elliott have passed technical inspection at NASCAR's research center in North Carolina. There were no points penalties to Cup teams from the Phoenix weekend.
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-41044018-4
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Well, where's the fun in that? o_O
 
Charlie Spencer said:
More than likely. How is that relevant to whether Childers deserves to be suspended for violating the rules?
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It doesn't and the suspension means nothing. I would think the top CC in the garage has team members quite capable of stepping in. Remember Chad getting a suspension and JJ wins the race with ? who then went on to CC for Tony? He also get fired for winning Tony a championship and not stroking Tony's ego.
 
Team Penske said:
It doesn't and the suspension means nothing. I would think the top CC in the garage has team members quite capable of stepping in. Remember Chad getting a suspension and JJ wins the race with ? who then went on to CC for Tony? He also get fired for winning Tony a championship and not stroking Tony's ego.
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I agree this particular suspension doesn't have much effect, esp. with access to modern communications tools. But I started down this path in response to Revman's 'got screwed' post. I'll leave this one alone for awhile.
 
Team Penske said:
And next you will be saying Nascar didn't benefit in any way from these forced sales.
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These "forced sales" exist for rules continuity and to save the teams money. Does anybody really want teams building their own roof flaps and casting their own cylinder heads? What about the nose cone of the race car? Those have to carry the correct OEM part number or they are not legal for use. This is nothing new. In fact, way back in the day when they really WERE stock cars, more parts had to be of OEM origin then than now. The reason for the spoilers is that it just makes sense from an economy of scale standpoint to have ONE manufacturer make them all, which makes it easier for NASCAR to enforce the rules and should be cheaper for the teams too.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Performance advantage is irrelevant. Not only was the part mounted outside the defined specs, it was an illegal part to begin with. Rules violations should be called whether there's a benefit or not.
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....but, but, but that's not what Rodney said! ....and, and, and Rodney is a nice guy. I think it's great that NASCAR is allowing him to go to the party. He already purchased hats and balloons.....and Delana's wife had already passed out an invitation at recess.
 
The harvick team cheating just proves to me that he is afraid of losing to kyle busch. He knows he can't beat the 18 team straight up so they stoop to cheating to get ahead. Its pathetic if you ask me
 
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