Eh on his little piece on Lambert. I don't understand why they don't keep Randall & Reddick together and move Lambert to the 3.
Danny Stockman just isn't cutting it for AD anymore.
Danny Stockman just isn't cutting it for AD anymore.
Capitalism.All I'm saying is that TRD could have MUCH MORE easily afforded to keep Matt D. in the fold than Childress could keep Hemric, and when I said resources, what I was referring to the ability for Toyota to do B to B deals that end up costing them somewhat less actual money than somebody like Childress has at his disposal. Who is HE going to leverage, a wine bottle manufacturer?
OK, we seem to have gotten off track on this one too. I'm not criticizing anyone's resources or lack of them at all. I was just trying to point out that RCR is far more constrained financially than TRD is. I think if RCR could have found sufficient sponsorship, they probably would have run Reddick AND Hemric. Given that that didn't happen, RCR was forced to go with the guy that looks to be the better bet. Sad for Hemric, but totally understandable. TRD on the other hand would have a much easier time carving out a place for Matt IF they wanted to, and it amazes me that they don't. I'm faulting TRD for the decision they made, not how much money they have , and I'm defending RCR for making a decision they probably didn't want to make, buy had little choice., and I'm just defending myself and others from the criticism that Revman leveled and pointing out why the two deals may look similar but aren't. Honestly, until he tried to tie the two situations together, it hadn't crossed my mind,
We’re all aware of that.I was just trying to point out that RCR is far more constrained financially than TRD is.
Data analytics guru David Smith weighs in on Tyler Reddick's promotion to the Cup Series, and delivers a strong endorsement of RCR's decision to move Reddick into the 8 car. He finds Reddick's break-out performance in 2019 a more convincing indicator of future potential than his lackluster 2018 stats... even while winning the Xfinity championship.
When Smith was writing for his own small independent website (Motorsports Analytics), he earned a reputation for pointed, data driven commentary both positive and negative. One never got the sense that he would temper his comments to avoid ruffling feathers. Since moving on staff at The Athletic, his approach thankfully remains the same. His Tyler Reddick "transaction analysis" is worth a read, in the quote box below.
Reading comprehension is not one of my weaknesses.I can't figure out why you think I'm mad at Toyota for the amount of money they have or that I am begrudging them for it. If you want to get into a discussion of how Mr. Childress spent his money, fine, but I though we were talking about what he HAS, not what he SHOULD have. My ONLY beef with Toyota in this instance is that they COULD have afforded to do something I think would have been in their best interest and they chose not to. Is that so wrong? The ONLY reason we are having this conversation is because Revman wondered why we weren't piling on Childress for doing in his mind what TRD did. Well first off, many people WERE critical of RC, and secondly, all I was pointing out is that TRD could afford to do things that RCR couldn't, end of story. Honestly, I think you go out of your way to misunderstand my points. I could care less if you disagree with me, but it pains me when you don't even seem to UNDERSTAND what I'm saying.
Reading comprehension is not one of my weaknesses.
You’re a long time supporter of the team that set the gold standard for out-spending it’s competitors but somehow TRD bad because vast resources.
TRD has said quantity doesnt equal quality on the track. I think they wisely stick to that. I would say it sucks for Matt D but the truth is is didn't. He was in second tier Toyota equipment anyway.
Since when is it up to a manufacturer to fund a race team to the point to where they are the major source of the budget? The reason the equipment will be better for Bell is he will have JGR to foot the bills Leavine couldnt for Matt.Well who's fault was it that it's second tier equipment, and why is it suddenly going to be considerably better equipment once Bell slides into the seat? I agree 100% that quantity doesn't equal quality, but in this case, they could have had BOTH. Truthfully, I'm glad Matt will NOT be driving a Toyota next year, I'm only trying to make sense of this from a business and competition standpoint.
My God, I swear my head is going to explode. I'm TRYING to make the point that Toyota should have USED some of those vast resources to keep a very talented and likeable driver in their fold. What part of that is so hard to understand? Where did I EVER slam Toyota for the amount of money they have?
That's the problem I have with these alliances. No matter how you slice it JGR will be a 5 car team next year.Since when is it up to a manufacturer to fund a race team to the point to where they are the major source of the budget? The reason the equipment will be better for Bell is he will have JGR to foot the bills Leavine couldnt for Matt.
Well who's fault was it that it's second tier equipment, and why is it suddenly going to be considerably better equipment once Bell slides into the seat? I agree 100% that quantity doesn't equal quality, but in this case, they could have had BOTH. Truthfully, I'm glad Matt will NOT be driving a Toyota next year, I'm only trying to make sense of this from a business and competition standpoint.
Are you really in a better position than Toyota to know what is best for their NASCAR program?
Or how to spend its money, utilize its resources...?
I have an opinion, just like you do. It's MY opinion that keeping Matt D. in their fold was in their best interest in the long run, and that it COULD have been done without breaking the bank. You are free to have a different point of view.
Since when is it up to a manufacturer to fund a race team to the point to where they are the major source of the budget? The reason the equipment will be better for Bell is he will have JGR to foot the bills Leavine couldnt for Matt.
Hmmm, you could be on to something.
... What it boils down to is IF Toyota had seen value in keeping Matt, they could have made it all work out. They decided to cast him aside. I think that is a mistake long term. They had a Cup experienced driver that is ready to win races NOW, and could likely be had for a rather modest salary and they decided to put all of their eggs in the basket of a driver with zero Cup starts. I think if Toyota had shown a real commitment to Matt, more outside sponsorship would likely have come forward anyway. All I'm suggesting Toyota had to do was to help bridge the gap.
Loopholes.That's the problem I have with these alliances. No matter how you slice it JGR will be a 5 car team next year.
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Toyota has a budget like anyone else that they have to stay inline with. Just because you think they can whip out another 20 Million (because they have it) and keep Matt D in a car doesnt mean their boardroom agrees with it.Well I think we have to be honest about who's driving the bus in all of this. It has come to the point that it's hard to tell the difference between TRD and JGR, and nobody is exactly dispelling the impression that Toyota is basically calling the shots on who is in the development program, and who gets to move up. What it boils down to is IF Toyota had seen value in keeping Matt, they could have made it all work out. They decided to cast him aside. I think that is a mistake long term. They had a Cup experienced driver that is ready to win races NOW, and could likely be had for a rather modest salary and they decided to put all of their eggs in the basket of a driver with zero Cup starts. I think if Toyota had shown a real commitment to Matt, more outside sponsorship would likely have come forward anyway. All I'm suggesting Toyota had to do was to help bridge the gap.
Boom.Toyota has a budget like anyone else that they have to stay inline with. Just because you think they can whip out another 20 Million (because they have it) and keep Matt D in a car doesnt mean their boardroom agrees with it.
Toyota has a budget like anyone else that they have to stay inline with. Just because you think they can whip out another 20 Million (because they have it) and keep Matt D in a car doesnt mean their boardroom agrees with it.
And the fifth car will always be the redheaded stepchild.That's the problem I have with these alliances. No matter how you slice it JGR will be a 5 car team next year.
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Well the redheaded stepchild sure took everyone to the wood shed a couple years agoAnd the fifth car will always be the redheaded stepchild.
Toyota has a budget like anyone else that they have to stay inline with. Just because you think they can whip out another 20 Million (because they have it) and keep Matt D in a car doesnt mean their boardroom agrees with it.
Yep, and that’s why every RHSC to come will get dumped on. JGR ain’t making that mistake again.Well the redheaded stepchild sure took everyone to the wood shed a couple years ago
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OK, say its 10 million, 5 million. My comments dont change about it.I think I have explained in MORE than one post why I don't think the spend would be anywhere near 20 million, but it's obvious to me that many people here don't even want to CONSIDER a different point of view, so I'm moving on from the conversation. I also hate to say this because this situation is not HIS fault, but if Bell underwhelms in Cup next year, I'll be laughing my ass off.
where is this happening? They have two full time trucks, two full time Xfinity cars You've been listening to the MEDIA too muchWhy are they spending money on development drivers they don't even have seats for? Why not just close down the entire NASCAR program and save even MORE money?
Sometimes, successful business who wish to remain successful plan for the future.Why are they spending money on development drivers they don't even have seats for? Why not just close down the entire NASCAR program and save even MORE money?
Bell won’t underperform. When it’s all said and done, Bell’s best will be better than Matt’s best. Matt might be better right now maybe but I’d take Bell 100/100 times over Matt. Toyota and JGR made the right decision long term....JGR keeps him somewhat in house close by for when the Good Sheppard/Preacher calls him back home to replace whoever next will become family and TRD keeps him in their program/cars. Whatever type of money you felt it would take to keep Matt...the better investment was to keep Bell IMO. The riskier play was losing Bell. Bottom line is If you felt Toyota had/has the money to keep Matt, they didn’t want to spend it to keep him in one of their cars. And they have every right to do that, I’ve learned here in my almost 3 years here it’s poppy **** spending someone else’s money.I think I have explained in MORE than one post why I don't think the spend would be anywhere near 20 million, but it's obvious to me that many people here don't even want to CONSIDER a different point of view, so I'm moving on from the conversation. I also hate to say this because this situation is not HIS fault, but if Bell underwhelms in Cup next year, I'll be laughing my ass off.
My complaint about Toyota is how they have spiraled upward the cost of an OEM even being in Nascar racing... because that just hastens the time Chevy and/or Ford decide to withdraw. As @Revman loves to remind us, Toyota has redefined the business model of an OEM in Nascar by the factory assuming various key functions that were previously team responsibilities.As a Ford Fan, I applaud Toyota for its effective use of the cars they run in Cup and their Driver development which makes NASCAR better -- imho.
Over 27 races, Austin Dillon's PEER is 0.704 and that is a tie with Aric Almirola for 19th best. A custom time period like "the last 18 races" is not available, but it's safe to say "Big Hat, No Cattle" is not lighting the stock car world on fire.Nice breakdown article of why Reddick was too hot to pass up. Hemric's struggles made the decision all the more easier for Richard I'm sure.
Any mention of AD's PEER in that subscription? "0.694 for Hemric in the last 18 races, a hair better than Stenhouse".
Bell won’t underperform. When it’s all said and done, Bell’s best will be better than Matt’s best. Matt might be better right now maybe but I’d take Bell 100/100 times over Matt. Toyota and JGR made the right decision long term....JGR keeps him somewhat in house close by for when the Good Sheppard/Preacher calls him back home to replace whoever next will become family and TRD keeps him in their program/cars. Whatever type of money you felt it would take to keep Matt...the better investment was to keep Bell IMO. The riskier play was losing Bell. Bottom line is If you felt Toyota had/has the money to keep Matt, they didn’t want to spend it to keep him in one of their cars. And they have every right to do that, I’ve learned here in my almost 3 years here it’s poppy **** spending someone else’s money.
The problem with Bell's stats are is it the car or the driver? Let's face it JGR equipment and support in the Xfinity series is I feel significantly better than everyone else.Bell's Xfinity stats are that of a machine. I think you'll probably end up being right on his talent. But, I also think he'll hold the superior equipment over MattyD for life.