real race cars on track in two weeks

Formerjackman said:
Whether you watch them or enjoy them or not, they play a VERY BIG role in who wins or loses the races. They are just too important to eliminate. Try to envision how last year's finale plays out without live pit stops.
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I am not disagreeing. I realize pit stops do play a very big role. Actually the more I think about it, my preference is for on track activity to determine who wins or loses. It also helps to level the playing field between the small and large teams.
 
Formerjackman said:
And they ended up changing to live pit stops because the other way was so damn lame.
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Nonsense.

The series went with static stops because the first few seasons were run primarily at facilities whose pit roads and pit stalls were / are too small for dynamic fuel and tire stops.

NASCAR “fixed” that and in my opinion, did the series and its fans a disservice.

Just my opinion which I have no intention of “defending”.
 
DIDIT said:
I am not disagreeing. I realize pit stops do play a very big role. Actually the more I think about it, my preference is for on track activity to determine who wins or loses. It also helps to level the playing field between the small and large teams.
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yep it is a part of the show and needs if possible to be included in the race. But on the other had at the most, it's temporary if they decide not to have them.
 
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Man I'm sure glad racing is coming back in a few weeks! But wth with the no live pit stops I mean come on!?!
 
Loving the southern barnstorming strategy, this schedule harkens back to the 60's. Trying to get a security gig at Darlington in a couple weeks. If anyone knows who to contact let me know.
 
gnomesayin said:
This a time that demands defining what is essential and not. Live pit stops are not essential to auto racing, or even close to it.
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If you want to get down to the crux of the matter, racing is NOT essential at all. Personally, as much as I miss the races, I would rather wait for the full product than some half-assed variation of it.
 
All I'm saying is what I would prefer, and that has nothing to do with I'm going to GET.
 
Formerjackman said:
If you want to get down to the crux of the matter, racing is NOT essential at all. Personally, as much as I miss the races, I would rather wait for the full product than some half-assed variation of it.
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The fragility of the race team ownership model demands it. While there are aspects that are different from competition of stick-and-ball sports as it relates to close proximity and personal contact, the biggest reason why NASCAR, IndyCar, F1, IMSA, etc. are all chomping at the bit to be the first ones back is that motorsport faces a higher likelihood of dire consequences if they don’t resume competition. They could cancel the rest of the NBA season entirely and there wouldn’t be a franchise that shuts down for good as a result.

Make do with what you can. The teams literally can’t afford not to.
 
FLRacingFan said:
The fragility of the race team ownership model demands it. While there are aspects that are different from competition of stick-and-ball sports as it relates to close proximity and personal contact, the biggest reason why NASCAR, IndyCar, F1, IMSA, etc. are all chomping at the bit to be the first ones back is that motorsport faces a higher likelihood of dire consequences if they don’t resume competition. They could cancel the rest of the NBA season entirely and there wouldn’t be a franchise that shuts down for good as a result.

Make do with what you can. The teams literally can’t afford not to.
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That's your opinion, I don't call it the biggest reason. It's racing season, it's doable, Almost all stick n ball can't if they wanted to, it's the crotch grabbing season and the dugouts aren't large enough. I think they are thru with dribbling. :laugh:
 
FLRacingFan said:
The fragility of the race team ownership model demands it. While there are aspects that are different from competition of stick-and-ball sports as it relates to close proximity and personal contact, the biggest reason why NASCAR, IndyCar, F1, IMSA, etc. are all chomping at the bit to be the first ones back is that motorsport faces a higher likelihood of dire consequences if they don’t resume competition. They could cancel the rest of the NBA season entirely and there wouldn’t be a franchise that shuts down for good as a result.

Make do with what you can. The teams literally can’t afford not to.
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I agree. Didn't the MLB players go on strike for most or all of a baseball season a few years ago and MLB survived? But, I don't think the racing organizations, teams, or tracks could survive near as much time off.
 
Nitro Dude said:
I agree. Didn't the MLB players go on strike for most or all of a baseball season a few years ago and MLB survived? But, I don't think the racing organizations, teams, or tracks could survive near as much time off.
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Maybe racing can get some bail out money.
 
StandOnIt said:
Maybe racing can get some bail out money.
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I wonder how much of a hit Bruton Smith is taking by owning multiple tracks. I know he has invested a lot of money just in drag racing tracks. It wasn't very long after he built the Z-Max 4 lane drag strip in NC that he had to have all 4 lanes of concrete ripped out and replaced due to chipping. Then just a couple of years ago he added another 2 lanes to the drag strip in Vegas to make it a 4 lane.
 
Nitro Dude said:
I wonder how much of a hit Bruton Smith is taking by owning multiple tracks. I know he has invested a lot of money just in drag racing tracks. It wasn't very long after he built the Z-Max 4 lane drag strip in NC that he had to have all 4 lanes of concrete ripped out and replaced due to chipping. Then just a couple of years ago he added another 2 lanes to the drag strip in Vegas to make it a 4 lane.
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I think they spent a whole lot more than that buying out all of the stockholders recently.
 
Nitro Dude said:
I agree. Didn't the MLB players go on strike for most or all of a baseball season a few years ago and MLB survived? But, I don't think the racing organizations, teams, or tracks could survive near as much time off.
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Most of these teams and leagues can access substantial cash reserves and lines of credit if they really need to. And the owners are all billionaires who have it made outside of sports. As far as we know, the Lakers are the only NBA/NFL franchise who even applied for PPP funds and once these big brands started getting exposed they paid it back.
 
FLRacingFan said:
The fragility of the race team ownership model demands it. While there are aspects that are different from competition of stick-and-ball sports as it relates to close proximity and personal contact, the biggest reason why NASCAR, IndyCar, F1, IMSA, etc. are all chomping at the bit to be the first ones back is that motorsport faces a higher likelihood of dire consequences if they don’t resume competition. They could cancel the rest of the NBA season entirely and there wouldn’t be a franchise that shuts down for good as a result.

Make do with what you can. The teams literally can’t afford not to.
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This is exactly right. Many teams would not survive even another month. And many team, NASCAR, track employees have been furloughed, laid off, pay cuts, whatever you want to call it. Sponsors are hanging on by threads. It's all legitimately falling apart. I have been on stakeholder conference calls. NASCAR needs to get back on track asap if they want to keep it as close to what it looked like in Feb as possible. (Even then, I do think we will lose at least one team.) We can all think it's too soon to return because of safety reasons, or too soon because of the racing product, or too soon because of no fans, or whatever. But this is a financial decision, and it had to be made now. And if you're a fan of NASCAR you'll support it harder than you ever have before - because right now everyone is getting their *** kicked.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Most of these teams and leagues can access substantial cash reserves and lines of credit if they really need to. And the owners are all billionaires who have it made outside of sports. As far as we know, the Lakers are the only NBA/NFL franchise who even applied for PPP funds and once these big brands started getting exposed they paid it back.
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I mean Ganassi has Credit One, I mean what could possibly go wrong with a loan from them?

In all seriousness, I'm guessing NASCAR might have given teams some advanced payments in order to get them through this time. F1 recently gave teams an early payment and I like the idea of this compressed schedule.

It sucks for the men and women with the lack of a break, but teams can start making some money again and I could only imagine what TV companies are thinking right now. Maybe, FOX and NBC will break off a bit more to NASCAR to distribute for the teams.
 
I'll tune in either way, but I was hoping for mid-week night races on the FOX broadcast network rather than FS1. I'm not complaining though.
 
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