2021 Silly Season

Formerjackman said:
Do you actually think Jeff's ownership position at HMS would change just because of a change with the 48?
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Do you have any insider information on what Jeff's deal is?
I know he had majority ownership in the 48 and part ownership in the 24 but where all that stands now I have no idea.
 
Do the individual teams within Hendricks Motorsports operate as separate corporate entities?

Asking for an accountant.
 
aunty dive said:
Do the individual teams within Hendricks Motorsports operate as separate corporate entities?

Asking for an accountant.
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I would think the accounting would be very similar to that of a huge corporation having at least 2-4 divisions within. The engine shop for example would be a division within itself. Some divisions would have a single cost factor and the individual teams are billed for each part they take from the inventory. This would be true for things made within the company (shocks for example) or items purchased from another source.
The teams within the company would be billed the same way outside teams are for what they purchase.
Standard policy would be the quality must conform as they never know who the customer will be for the individual part. Every team who contracts for engines also get an engine tuner from the manufacturer.
 
We have all seen Jack inspecting the plugs on every engine for his teams. He was the man who was the engine tuner for his cars. Back then.
 
Insiders have been saying for more than a month that Larson is the favorite for the 48, zero mention of Erik. Larson doing the pr tour with Chevy’s top executive makes that sound more and more likely. The holdup on the 48 is the fact that announcing Larson to Hendrick is going to be a huge news story for a day or two due to the pr pushback. Erik wouldn’t move the needle one way or the other at all. This is it
 
wi_racefan said:
I wouldn't be shocked with more drivers stepping away after 2021. With the new car is seems like that's a good reason to make an exit

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so stepping away from one of the highest paid jobs in motorsports because of a car? That doesn't make much sense.
 
StandOnIt said:
so stepping away from one of the highest paid jobs in motorsports because of a car? That doesn't make much sense.
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If you're nearing the end of your career, have enough money and salaries are going down I think it makes a lot of sense.

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Kiante said:
Ugh...
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When Kurt extended last year he mentioned looking forward to being a part of the Next Gen introduction but after being delayed a year it would be understandable he doesn’t want to wait around longer. He’ll be 44 by the end of the 2022 season and eventually the grind just isn’t worth it anymore.
 
wi_racefan said:
I wouldn't be shocked with more drivers stepping away after 2021. With the new car is seems like that's a good reason to make an exit

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I would imagine performance has more to do with leaving than anything else . I doubt he enjoyed being overshadowed by the 4 at SHR , and his run at CGR has been mediocre. Let's be honest, he backed into his win Sunday night. Very few racers walk away while still winning. Nobody wants to run around as a mid pack eunuch after having a strong career. Same could be said for Jimmie, he'd rather stay and win, but winning isn't happening anymore.
 
wi_racefan said:
I wouldn't be shocked with more drivers stepping away after 2021. With the new car is seems like that's a good reason to make an exit

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Let's recall the new car was supposed to roll out in 2021. Many speculated that was one of the reasons 7 Time said 2020 would be his last season.
 
"There's only one King in Nascar."
-- Bubba Wallace

Maybe a year ago, someone asked Bubba Wallace if something (I've forgotten the details) made him feel like a king, and Bubba instantly replied, "There's only one King in Nascar," referring to his car owner Richard Petty.

Dale Jr. is not the King, but he is a pretty big deal. His legacy is closely related to the 88 team.

Jimmie Johnson is not the King, but he also is a pretty big deal. His legacy is closely related to the 48 team.

IDK why so many people here think Rick Hendrick should throw away the brand equity associated with the 88 and 48 to resurrect old numbers like 5 and 25 that lack genuine brand equity. Maybe someone here could explain the rationale for doing that.

As for Steve Phelps and Jim Campbell and Kyle Larson all visiting the Urban Youth Racing School in Philadelphia together... wow. That's big news for sure. Makes me think Kyle Larson will have a major announcement soon after the season finale at Phoenix. I'd expect general radio silence until then, FWIW.

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If there's changing of numbers at HMS I'd imagine it would be sponsor driven. When you hear 48 do you think Lowes or Ally? Sometimes a number is too closely related to a sponsor and a new sponsor wants to create their own identity

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LewTheShoe said:
"There's only one King in Nascar."
-- Bubba Wallace

Maybe a year ago, someone asked Bubba Wallace if something (I've forgotten the details) made him feel like a king, and Bubba instantly replied, "There's only one King in Nascar," referring to his car owner Richard Petty.

Dale Jr. is not the King, but he is a pretty big deal. His legacy is closely related to the 88 team.

Jimmie Johnson is not the King, but he also is a pretty big deal. His legacy is closely related to the 48 team.

IDK why so many people here think Rick Hendrick should throw away the brand equity associated with the 88 and 48 to resurrect old numbers like 5 and 25 that lack genuine brand equity. Maybe someone here could explain the rationale for doing that.

As for Steve Phelps and Jim Campbell and Kyle Larson all visiting the Urban Youth Racing School in Philadelphia together... wow. That's big news for sure. Makes me think Kyle Larson will have a major announcement soon after the season finale at Phoenix. I'd expect general radio silence until then, FWIW.

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I kind of thought that JJ will be using the 48 for whatever team he decides to run for part time ( I'd wager Ganassi since hes doing the Indy Car deal with them) and the number is a parting gift from Rick to JJ. and sorry as popular as Jr was and I loved the guy, miss watching him race.... His number is in no way shape or form special, he didnt do a whole lot at HMS. If we are doing that the 8 means more to me as a fan of Jr than the 88 does.
 
The drivers that have raced for a number of year in Cup have made a lot of money. But salaries are constantly being cut. That's why you're seeing more drivers retire early. I think this is the case more than a new car coming. That, and wanting to be able to do new things (like JJ in an IndyCar) before getting too old to do it.
 
kkfan91 said:
The ol' see I won without Jimmie I can stop crew chiefing move
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I think it's more hes put his time in on the box and wants to be home with his family now. Cant blame anyone for that. Anyone that's ever had a job that requires that much travel understands that

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Dude was a maniac back during the run he had with JJ. Put in tons of hours. Can't keep that up when you have a family
 
Kiante said:
Knaus is moving off of the box and is moving up within Hendrick:
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You know, I was wondering when he was going to retire from being crew chief. At some point, the car just gets away from you and your knowledge is no longer relevant.
 
Efisher131 said:
Byron will never sniff a title
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I am a William Byron fan, but at times I have almost given up on him. But then I have realized that not only is he still the youngest full time driver (younger than even the Cup rookies from the last couple of years), but also he has by FAR less experience in general given he came from the iRacing world.
 
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Just an observation in my opinion, having watched weekly since I was 6 years old.
I understand there have been some exceptions to this, Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, and Denny Hamlin, for example. But very often it seems to take anywhere from 3-6 years for a young driver to really "settle" in in the cup series and gain enough confidence/experience etc. to really show what they can do and compete. A great example of this is Joey Logano, and for a more recent example, I believe we are seeing this now with Austin Dillon.
Byron is just in his third year, let alone the fact that next year he will be on his 3rd? crew chief in that time. The potential is still there.
 
hmmm298 said:
One more thought
Just an observation in my opinion, having watched weekly since I was 6 years old.
I understand there have been some exceptions to this, Tony Stewart, Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, and Denny Hamlin, for example. But very often it seems to take anywhere from 3-6 years for a young driver to really "settle" in in the cup series and gain enough confidence/experience etc. to really show what they can do and compete. A great example of this is Joey Logano, and for a more recent example, I believe we are seeing this now with Austin Dillon.
Byron is just in his third year, let alone the fact that next year he will be on his 3rd? crew chief in that time. The potential is still there.
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I've said this, I attribute the lack off success to the talent pool from 1999-2005.

Stewart Gordon and Johnson weren't exceptions.

From 1999-2006 you had Tony Stewart, Dale Jr, Matt Kenseth, Kurt Busch, Kevin Harvick, Ryan Newman, Jimmie Johnson, Greg Biffle, Kasey Kahne, Carl Edwards, Kyle Busch and Denny Hamlin all basically had rookie seasons superior to Chase Elliot's peak season in year 5.

Drivers back then came in a year or two older, and imo, were just more talented than the young crop of drivers today.

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jaqua19 said:
I've said this, I attribute the lack off success to the talent pool from 1999-2005.

Stewart Gordon and Johnson weren't exceptions.

From 1999-2006 you had Tony Stewart, Dale Jr, Matt Kenseth, Kurt Busch, Kevin Harvick, Ryan Newman, Jimmie Johnson, Greg Biffle, Kasey Kahne, Carl Edwards, Kyle Busch and Denny Hamlin all basically had rookie seasons superior to Chase Elliot's peak season in year 5.

Drivers back then came in a year or two older, and imo, were just more talented than the young crop of drivers today.

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I definitely can understand that, which is why I say that I refuse to give up on William Byron simply because he is still so much younger and more inexperienced than most of those guys were.
 
hmmm298 said:
I definitely can understand that, which is why I say that I refuse to give up on William Byron simply because he is still so much younger and more inexperienced than most of those guys were.
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Carl Edwards didn't sit in a race car until he was 15. No younger than Byron. He got his ride because of a business card.

Carl was simply a superior talent to William, experience aside.

I just feel the path to cup is different these days. Tony Stewart, Gordon, Jimmie Johnson all won championships in other series. Elliot, Blaney, Jones, Bell, what did they do before coming up through the NASCAR ranks?

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Also side note. Drama with the 21 guys. Moody is reporting "personal issues surrounding the 21 that puts them in a precarious position".

Tug of ware between Matt and Cindric, imo


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