'21 Generation 7 Car news

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by StandOnIt, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    RCR built the car so the hat got the first run. I think they will end up having a driver from all of the top teams to do testing. They have another car that they are using for the wind tunnel testing. They probably are slapping the different OEM bodies on that one trying to get that going.
     
  2. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    I'm not sure when the new engine target moved back from possibly 2022, but Pockrass reports this with no hedging.

     
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  3. sloggie

    sloggie Racing I will teach you

    electrification = Hybrid motors, probably with push to pass for those of you who need a translation.
     
  4. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    Meanwhile, at the back of the 2020 field:

     
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  5. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    They used Dillon as a baseline and Logano to see what the car really could do. Now they need a wild man behind the wheel and I suspect that could be Kyle.
     
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  6. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    They need consistency.

    That’s what testing is based upon.
     
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  7. SpeedPagan

    SpeedPagan The iRacing Guru

    I hope they call on Kyle Busch because he will be honest about what's good & what sucks about the car.
     
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  8. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    If that was what NASCAR wanted, they'd get a couple of recent HOF-grade retiree and have them do all of it. Gordon, Stewart, Edwards, Biffle, even Mark Martin.
     
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  9. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    They want someone who can go fast. There is a reason they don't drive anymore.
     
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  10. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I noticed they have sensors all over the car and tables full of engineers with lap tops and I bet they have plenty of old data and new to compare it to in addition to driver inputs.
     
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  11. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    Consistency is key.

    Laps. Establish a baseline. More laps. Make a change and test that.

    This process can go on all day. If the driver does not or cannot make consistent laps, the data is worthless.

    Speed is a given. Everybody can go fast.
     
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  12. bigspud

    bigspud Team Owner

    they need a new series, a full electric suv, no hybrids.
     
  13. KTMLew01

    KTMLew01 Team Owner

    If they would just put them in SUV's all the aero problems would be solved...
     
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  14. Ventisca

    Ventisca Team Owner

    Drivers are bitchy by nature -- whatever next-car they get is going to disappoint them.

    CCs will be busy...
     
  15. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    Run trucks in the Cup series.
     
  16. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Laugh, but It would actually make sense on many levels.
     
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  17. bigspud

    bigspud Team Owner

    maybe a little boxier, but most aero problems are caused by going 180-200mph, i would like to see 150mph max.
     
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  18. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    This is it right here.
     
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  19. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    I was quite serious. A lot of people post that the Trucks are the best races of the weekend. It's what the Ford and Chevy sell the most, it takes care of a lot of the aero problems, it eliminates complaints about not having V8s in the production vehicles being featured; and that's just off the top of my head.
     
  20. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    It would be weird at first, but I think it would solve a lot of issues. I have also suggested trying to make the Cup car aero numbers mimic the trucks.
     
  21. SpeedPagan

    SpeedPagan The iRacing Guru

    Make the Trucks the premier series & add more short tracks & dirt tracks to the schedule.
     
  22. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Crap, how would I find time for my afternoon nap if they make the racing more exciting.
     
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  23. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    In the present and from the back of the pack ...

     
  24. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

    Well that’s the problem, these are vehicles based on production cars. Cars are not shaped in anyway to be carrying these incredible speeds efficiently, hence not only turbulence but strange turbulence. I remember reading somewhere that these odd little vortices build up along the spoiler, and that trailing a car close behind causes major disruption in the development of these making a car become more unstable. I know also the radiator pan acts a lower pressure point for balance on the front of the car.

    I think the difficult thing about NASCAR is it’s variety, not necessarily the development of the car itself. In F1 it’s all truly road course racing, so you’re developing a car and constantly testing it in similar settings.

    In NASCAR you have a huge variety in velocities based on track length as well as angles due to the differing banking on tracks. I mean you’re using the same body at Martinsville going between 65-120 as you are at Michigan going 170-200. The different uses make a common setup brutally hard to gain
     
  25. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    What bits of modern stock cars are based on production models?
     
  26. SpeedPagan

    SpeedPagan The iRacing Guru

    I would keep the Truck races at their current length. There's no need for a 400 to 500 mile truck race.
     
  27. bigspud

    bigspud Team Owner

    not much, which is the problem,
    make the xfinity car the cup car, and run very strict real stock cars in xfinity.
     
  28. Mispeedway15

    Mispeedway15 Team Owner

    The very shape lol. Your real current speedsters are the Ford GT, Chevy Corvette, Acura NSX which are all very sleek and aerodynamically enhanced. You aren't going to get the performance out of a Camaro compared to a Corvette based on shape alone with similar engine components, especially with 39 other cars traveling at high speeds creating air wake
     
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  29. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Even less with the next gen but the shape will be more similar to the street versions of the Mustang and the Camaro and that is about as deep as the average Nascar fan goes anyway.
     
  30. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Not the least bit practical or realistic.
     
  31. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Hendrick was offering these seats at cost to drivers for awhile, and at that time the price was quoted at $10,000. I have no idea what their policy is now.
     
  32. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Good article and a lot more topics are covered than this in the article

    Roger Penske likes direction NASCAR, his organization are going

    There’s also the highly anticipated Next Gen car slated for 2021, a push to attract additional car manufacturers and an industry-wide focus on cost cutting.

    “One of the main things NASCAR is trying to do is take costs out,” Penske told co-hosts John Roberts and Chocolate Myers. “People say speed costs money, how fast do you want to go? But I think we’re at a limit where we have to go the other way.

    “To me, the cost is key. The schedule is going to be different, I understand, but its also going to give other teams the ability to raise sponsorships and if the costs are cut by 30 or 40 percent, it’s going to allow new people to join the sport, which I feel is very, very important as we go forward.

    https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2020/0...ection-nascar-and-his-organization-are-going/
     
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  33. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    30 to 40% is some serious hacking
     
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  34. DewChaser988

    DewChaser988 NASCAR fan since 1998

    30-40% is a huge cost reduction, to where we might see some new teams join the sport, or sponsors rejoining
     
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  35. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses.

    I wonder how much of that is going to come out of driver / talent salaries? Weren't those running around 30% of operating costs a few years ago?
     
  36. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    The driver salary is important of course but taking a car to the track that has the ability to run top 15 is way over the top.
    If you junk up the car ( which will cause it to run slower) then the precision
    body work isn't quite as important AND the drive train isn't being run at its limit. ( Check out the Pinty's series where cars run the same engine most of the year.) By slowing down the race speed ( which few can tell the difference) the pit crew isn't as important and there is a lot of saving to be had there.
    Once you slow the race down by 20 mph, you will have a greater amount of cars and drivers capable of running top 15. Most of the cost of racing is in being able to run 200 mph.
     
  37. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    The best funded teams with the most talented people will rise to the top whether it is at Daytona or Martinsville. A huge chunk of the reduction in operating budgets will come out of the jobs of the grunts at the shop and the track, the guys we don't know and never heard of. The unfortunate side to all of this downsizing is a lot of talented people will be out of work.
     
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  38. SpeedPagan

    SpeedPagan The iRacing Guru

    https://racingnews.co/2020/01/09/mo...CI4qY2BZXsMCyrvS5CgmOi4F4ObjXcHVMK2eLRWWBXj-g


    More on the 2021 NASCAR Next Gen car: The door is wide open for new NASCAR manufactures

    So apparently V6 is looking more and more likely. A change to six speed transmission. it doesn't mention if they'll still use an H pattern shifter or move to another form. The Chassis will come from one supplier. So far the chassis we've seen on the track is from RCR, but NASCAR has their own chassis that is going through wind tunnel testing. Independent rear suspension, which was already covered. 18 inch wheel with a carbon fiber body, so no more steel body.

    There are some possibility with changes to pit row as well as how many lug nuts are on the wheels. I'm sure this will piss off a lot of die-hard traditionalist fans, but I'm more of a wait and see kind of guy.
     
  39. Acs

    Acs Team Owner

    I do wish they would keep the H pattern shifter since it takes more skill, but regardless with 6 gears we'll likely see shifting at short tracks for sure. That should open up more setup options and create passing opportunities. Not sure if the gears will be close enough to shift at intermediates if they're going flat-out, but if they can that again should help. Indycars sometimes downshift at IMS and they're at WOT there too so I guess there's still an advantage.
     
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  40. DewChaser988

    DewChaser988 NASCAR fan since 1998

    I heard there's a bidding war between Dallara and Gibbs to build the Next Gen Chassis.

    I'd rather Dallara win it, as if Gibbs wins it, there will be a conflict of interest. If Dallara wins it, everyone will basically be guaranteed the same chassis., but if Gibbs wins it, what's to stop them from giving other teams inferior chassis, because they are the competition after all
     
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