BREAKING: Majority owners explore sale of NASCAR

Speedbowl14 said:
Lots of people have said that the teams should purchase NASCAR and run it like other major sports where the teams own the sport. In my opinion, that's a terrible idea.
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Its my opinion trying to make auto racing emulate parts of stick and ball sports is a terrible idea.
 
Best bet is the teams buy it and its run more like an actual sports league. Would actually make the charter system mean something.
 
Life is correcting the problem and then fixing it. The Problems are the speeds are the aero. Soulution- lower speeds with a v6 engine and a new aero package probably with drop snout car.

Hopefully the owners fix these two things
 
4tires17gals said:
Life is correcting the problem and then fixing it. The Problems are the speeds are the aero. Soulution- lower speeds with a v6 engine and a new aero package probably with drop snout car.
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God no we have to stay V8. It’s what makes NASCAR so amazing. The pure raw horsepower of these machines is incredible
 
gnomesayin said:
Yes, it has been common knowledge since at least last year, and I'm not sure how it is supposed to invalidate blame or criticism of Brian's actions as CEO and chairman.
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Brian France is an idiot. He has a hard time even showing up at the track. How can you have the public face of a company like NASCAR not even show for the event? Someone needs to lead things in a different direction, really quick because the track owners need butts in the seats to make money. Lower the ticket prices. Get rid of the gimmicks and IROC cars, and let the drivers and teams actually race for a win and a championship. Duh.

4tires17gals said:
Life is correcting the problem and then fixing it. The Problems are the speeds are the aero. Soulution- lower speeds with a v6 engine and a new aero package probably with drop snout car.
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No. No. No. The appeal of Cup level racing has always been V8 horsepower, speed, and the ability of a driver to get the most out of the car. Right now, there is too much parity with the IROC cars and the best car is based on testing, setup, and computer models. Stop the nonsense and put the car back in the drivers hands. There is absolutely no differentiation in the cars and no innovation except when NASCAR changes the IROC specs. We want to see cars that actually resemble something we can buy at a dealership and have their unique characteristics.
 
If everybody loves the V8 where are the TV viewers and the fans in the seats?
 
spindoc said:
No. No. No. The appeal of Cup level racing has always been V8 horsepower, speed, and the ability of a driver to get the most out of the car. Right now, there is too much parity with the IROC cars and the best car is based on testing, setup, and computer models. Stop the nonsense and put the car back in the drivers hands. There is absolutely no differentiation in the cars and no innovation except when NASCAR changes the IROC specs. We want to see cars that actually resemble something we can buy at a dealership and have their unique characteristics.
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In an era where teams will spend a half million dollars to develop a faster pit gun, the truth is the sport can't afford much innovation. The same thing happened in Indy car. I'm not much of a fan of the cars they've had the last twenty years or so, but it's that or an eight car field for the Indy 500, and probably six or less for the rest of the races.
Musrat#2 said:
It makes it exciting! Instead of someone clinching the championship with 6 races to go
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I'd much rather have THAT than having a guy win a fuel mileage or rain out race in March and getting a free pass all the way into the playoffs. In my opinion, there was nothing wrong with the 1975-2003 way of doing things that a little bit of adjustment of point values couldn't fix. I'd even go as far as being willing to add bonus points at certain points during the race, WITHOUT throwing a caution to do it.
Mopardh9 said:
They want the identity back, better racing, and more short tracks.
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OK, but WHY is nobody showing up for the short tracks either?
Simple Fan said:
Best bet is the teams buy it and its run more like an actual sports league. Would actually make the charter system mean something.
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From what I've seen from the RTA so far, I believe I'll take a pass on that. Can ANYBODY think of a competitor owned racing series that has lasted long term? What NASCAR NEEDS is another benevolent dictator that can see the big picture. I guess the France family ran out of genius after only two generations.
 
it’s not popular to say... NASCAR has tried pleasing everyone. I mean the whole chase crap started because of the nonstop whining... NONSTOP about how boring it was back then when a driver would run away with the championship race and lock it up with a race or two still left... when Kenseth won you’d thought NASCAR had walked up to every race fans door and punched them in the face they took it so personal.

NASCAR addressed that. The COT is another product of everyone jumping up after every race and crying cause they don’t think the racing was good. Funny how the same statements have been said for so long...

NASCAR tried pleasing the fans and honestly they should had just done what they were doing. Everyone wants a change, well they gonna get another one.
 
Simple Fan said:
Best bet is the teams buy it and its run more like an actual sports league. Would actually make the charter system mean something.
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I don't think the teams will be able to afford it. According to the Reuters article it's going to be a multi-billion-dollar purchase. It's much more likely that you'll see someone with significant hedge fund backing.

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Everyone is missing the real problem as per car racing.
Where did Nascar begin it's racing? What type of tracks did they have?
Who were the car owners and what was their objectives?
Then came the next generation of drivers and owners. Yes Petty was still an owner/driver
but all the others like Earnhardt became contract drivers and some tried to just be owners who supplied the cars and hoped the purses would be profitable.
Next they built bigger tracks farther away from the basic Nascar fan. These tracks were designed
to accommodate open wheel cars and the owners hoped they would have more business having two types of fans. That failed and now they had these big tracks that produced poor racing for the Nascar fans.
Then they put an alcoholic spoiled 3rd generation kid in charge and that signaled the death of Nascar. Today, they don't have the numbers in fans to make it profitable. If each fan went to one race a year and it takes 100,000 fans per race to be profitable, you would need a core fan base of 3,600,000 plus the TV audience. In the world today, most racing can not support itself.

The current owners of the top 30 cars could purchase Nascar ( this does not include tracks)
and it can be run as a business separate from the teams by putting in place a management
that understands racing, TV production and Entertainment. Of course this would require the burning of the rule book and the micro-management that the current system uses.
Force tracks that want to remain on the schedule to make certain changes that produces
passing areas and slower corner speeds.
For the rules that are in place, make it really expensive to break them. You don't pass inspection twice, "Go Home" More than one loose lug nut, " DNF " and every car is checked.
As far as innovation is concerned, every team should be able to have a "confidential" consultation with Nascar, where an idea can be presented and be pre-approved for racing with out other teams stealing your ideas. This would be necessary once Nascar throws out much of the rule book and micro-management.

It can be done, I believe there is a place in entertainment for auto racing as it has followers of different types in many countries. Nascar needs new owners.
 
Bowman The Showman said:
it’s not popular to say... NASCAR has tried pleasing everyone. I mean the whole chase crap started because of the nonstop whining... NONSTOP about how boring it was back then when a driver would run away with the championship race and lock it up with a race or two still left... when Kenseth won you’d thought NASCAR had walked up to every race fans door and punched them in the face they took it so personal.

NASCAR addressed that. The COT is another product of everyone jumping up after every race and crying cause they don’t think the racing was good. Funny how the same statements have been said for so long...

NASCAR tried pleasing the fans and honestly they should had just done what they were doing. Everyone wants a change, well they gonna get another one.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but it sure wasn't ME complaining about the points system OR the racing at that time. The points system was the only one I had ever known, and had just produced its fifth different champion in five years. My personal opinion is that the Chase points system was nothing more than Brian France trying to put his own personal stamp on the series, and the CoT was nothing more than an engineering exercise run amuck. You know what they say about a camel being a horse designed by a committee.
 
Sure nascar isn't the juggernaut it once was, but it's still pretty huge. Sponsor money in nascar isn't at mid 2000's level, but there's still some huge brands in the sport, and it still gets tens of thousands of fans buying a ticket 38 times per year, and gets millions of fans to tune in. Sure it isn't the crazy numbers of 15 years ago but what we have today is nothing to sneeze at.

I'm not well versed in how sports leagues are run, but from what I know and what you all are saying, this could end up with the owners having more power (which is a thing in other sports leagues) and that sounds like the key piece of "modernization" the sport needs. Sure this may be a "devil you know" scenario but what is there to lose? There's always gonna be racing to watch as long as there's a demand, and the demand is alive and well even through all the current BS.

If the current management couldn't kill nascar/stock car racing completely, then I'm not sure what could.
 
LJ7201 said:
Sure nascar isn't the juggernaut it once was, but it's still pretty huge. Sponsor money in nascar isn't at mid 2000's level,
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Some folks can't accept that the late '90s through the mid '00s were an unexplainable fad, and that level of popularity won't be reached again. That's partially because no one understands how it happened in the first place.
 
Formerjackman said:
OK, but WHY is nobody showing up for the short tracks either?
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They stopped showing up due to the economy and got used to watching the event on TV. (Why they aren't watching on TV any longer is a different discussion). Once the economy turned around they went to other locations on vacation. Due to that , the fans got used to spending their vacation time at other locations. Getting them to come back to Bristol, TN for a vacation that might be spent at Panama City or Myrtle Beach just isn't going to happen.
 
I think the worst thing NASCAR does is play with the rules. Once the perecption was really out there that the sport was being manipulated like WWE it cost NASCAR way more fans (loyal long time fans) than they gained with bogus cautions, adding drivers to playoffs etc (short time fans).
 
Towmater said:
They stopped showing up due to the economy and got used to watching the event on TV. (Why they aren't watching on TV any longer is a different discussion). Once the economy turned around they went to other locations on vacation. Due to that , the fans got used to spending their vacation time at other locations. Getting them to come back to Bristol, TN for a vacation that might be spent at Panama City or Myrtle Beach just isn't going to happen.
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OK, but many people are saying we need more short tracks (and I agree) but then people neither go OR watch it on TV, which kind of blows up the argument. Personally, I can't imagine being a race fan and living within 100 miles of Bristol, Richmond or Martinsville and NOT going at least once a year.
 
I think NASCAR is slowly winding its way back to being a regional sport. Less tracks and less money. And if that is the case, And that's a big "if", I'm good with it. I will still tune in. I think one of the main problems with auto racing in general is the fact it's too white and too male. Times have changed a lot in the past twenty years. And I'm not sure there is a fix for that. When NASCAR was exploding with growth, you had Dale Sr., Elliot, Waltrip, Davey, Kulwicki, Martin, Rudd, just hard nosed racers. When Gordon came along it became more of an "image" sport. Not taking anything away from his abilities. I remember Ray Evernham telling the story of his first encounter with Gordon. When he met Gordon, Gordon was wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase, in the briefcase was a copy of Stock Car Racing magazine, that's all. Now don't get me wrong, Gordon more than proved himself. that story is just an illustration of the differences of the two generations. Dale was old school, rough and tumble, say what he thought type of man. That resonated well in those days. Then all the sudden we have a steady diet of perfectly groomed corporate schmoozer types, always say the right things and act like choir boys. It worked for awhile, then it became very boring. And the cars became basically identical. It seems the more it progressed, the more it went backwards. I actually miss the days when the broadcast started at 12:00, and they dropped the green at 12:05. Not all the overkill on the prerace stuff, where it seems they struggle to find things to talk about. Sorry for the rambling post of my views, there's just a lot of problems facing auto racing in general, not just NASCAR. And I didn't post this to be provocative, or stir the pot, just pointing out some things I see.
 
mack said:
I think NASCAR is slowly winding its way back to being a regional sport. Less tracks and less money. And if that is the case, And that's a big "if", I'm good with it. I will still tune in. I think one of the main problems with auto racing in general is the fact it's too white and too male. Times have changed a lot in the past twenty years. And I'm not sure there is a fix for that. When NASCAR was exploding with growth, you had Dale Sr., Elliot, Waltrip, Davey, Kulwicki, Martin, Rudd, just hard nosed racers. When Gordon came along it became more of an "image" sport. Not taking anything away from his abilities. I remember Ray Evernham telling the story of his first encounter with Gordon. When he met Gordon, Gordon was wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase, in the briefcase was a copy of Stock Car Racing magazine, that's all. Now don't get me wrong, Gordon more than proved himself. that story is just an illustration of the differences of the two generations. Dale was old school, rough and tumble, say what he thought type of man. That resonated well in those days. Then all the sudden we have a steady diet of perfectly groomed corporate schmoozer types, always say the right things and act like choir boys. It worked for awhile, then it became very boring. And the cars became basically identical. It seems the more it progressed, the more it went backwards. I actually miss the days when the broadcast started at 12:00, and they dropped the green at 12:05. Not all the overkill on the prerace stuff, where it seems they struggle to find things to talk about. Sorry for the rambling post of my views, there's just a lot of problems facing auto racing in general, not just NASCAR. And I didn't post this to be provocative, or stir the pot, just pointing out some things I see.
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you know I agree. I started watching stock car racing when it was small market and I liked it just fine. I would have no issues if a sport I loved went back to being smaller, more regional. I wonder though, are some of the newer tracks panicking that they will lose dates?
 
mack said:
Then all the sudden we have a steady diet of perfectly groomed corporate schmoozer types, always say the right things and act like choir boys.
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If everyone involved wants to make big money, they have to make some sacrifices first. Becoming choir boys is one of them.
 
Exactly
Charlie Spencer said:
If everyone involved wants to make big money, they have to make some sacrifices first. Becoming choir boys is one of them.
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Exactly. I think a lot of Dale Jr's. popularity stemmed from the appearance of just a tinge of redneck still existed in him. I think it is more than family name. Family name didn't earn Kyle Petty a huge following. I think the diehard fans miss plain spoken, unfiltered drivers. Its an odd thing, NASCAR grew in leaps and bounds, attracted gigantic corporate dollars, which came with all kinds of strings attached, i.e, this is how you will act, this is how you will not act. Made the product boring, audience leaves, corporate dollars leave, tis a vicious cycle. Personally, I would love to see a 29 race schedule, 43 cars, four road courses, twelve short tracks, free hot dogs.......just wishing out loud here
 
That's a good point. The "product" would be the racing itself. I think the racing this year has been very good. Me, on the other hand, I do put some stock in driver personalities. Its not a factor that decides whether or not I tune in, but I do like some variety, some differences are nice.
 
mack said:
That's a good point. The "product" would be the racing itself. I think the racing this year has been very good. Me, on the other hand, I do put some stock in driver personalities. Its not a factor that decides whether or not I tune in, but I do like some variety, some differences are nice.
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It’s just nice to see someone noticed the racing isn’t all that bad.

I really think when people say “the racing is bad”, it’s almost become a character of itself or maybe it’s cliche is a better way to go... people have been saying that for so long they don’t notice that the racing is actually good at times these days.

Honestly it’s a lot better when I compare it to races from the good ol days. I mean all those times 8 or 9 different drivers would split the wins... and then when they would win by 6 or 7 seconds with 11 cars on the lead lap... that was thrilling (sarcasm)
 
Get rid of the chase point systems, get rid of the playoffs, get rid of the multiple restart rounds. It has made the championship meaningless and made the whole race seem fake. Bring back unfiltered redneck drivers, bring some road courses to the mix, bring back what made NASCAR successful in the 90s. Hell bring back Tobacco sponsors too.

The sport has tried to become too much of an entertainment circus and tried to get fans where they never could. Everyone I know who used to watch NASCAR simply doesn't anymore, myself included.
 
mack said:
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Exactly. I think a lot of Dale Jr's. popularity stemmed from the appearance of just a tinge of redneck still existed in him. I think it is more than family name. Family name didn't earn Kyle Petty a huge following. I think the diehard fans miss plain spoken, unfiltered drivers. Its an odd thing, NASCAR grew in leaps and bounds, attracted gigantic corporate dollars, which came with all kinds of strings attached, i.e, this is how you will act, this is how you will not act.
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Agree, I think last year a lot of people were drawn to Blaney when he let his hair grow and looked like Tim Richmond. Generally someone needs a connection to the sport to really become a fan. Social media is a good way to get that going, but too often we see these drivers being escorted off to corporate hospitality tents or canned stage interviews on the midway. I would like to see the drivers out there promoting the sport away from the track where fans can more casually interact one on one. In the late 90's and early 2000's this was a very common occurrence...even with guys like DE Sr.
 
paradigm said:
Get rid of the chase point systems, get rid of the playoffs, get rid of the multiple restart rounds. It has made the championship meaningless and made the whole race seem fake. Bring back unfiltered redneck drivers, bring some road courses to the mix, bring back what made NASCAR successful in the 90s. Hell bring back Tobacco sponsors too.

The sport has tried to become too much of an entertainment circus and tried to get fans where they never could. Everyone I know who used to watch NASCAR simply doesn't anymore, myself included.
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While I may be one of the older folks on this page and have been a long time NASCAR fan, I honestly enjoy the stage racing and the playoffs. Racing is entertainment for me, not my life, and these changes have made racing more entertaining.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I imagine it'll be a media company that buys NASCAR. And NBC/Comcast definitely comes to mind first in that regard.
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Hey you got a bit of a shoutout on Door, Bumper, Clear this week for your coverage of the fight at Hickory last weekend. lol
 
DIDIT said:
I think last year a lot of people were drawn to Blaney when he let his hair grow and looked like Tim Richmond.
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I doubt many people following the sport these days know what Tim Richmond looked like. I've only been following the sport since '95 and I had to Google him to get a picture.

If I'm mistaken, the sport has a bigger demographic problem than I thought.
 
paradigm said:
Get rid of the chase point systems, get rid of the playoffs, get rid of the multiple restart rounds. It has made the championship meaningless and made the whole race seem fake. Bring back unfiltered redneck drivers, bring some road courses to the mix, bring back what made NASCAR successful in the 90s. Hell bring back Tobacco sponsors too.

The sport has tried to become too much of an entertainment circus and tried to get fans where they never could. Everyone I know who used to watch NASCAR simply doesn't anymore, myself included.
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What you are eluding to are changes demanded by the sponsors. Nascar and the the teams/drivers have no choice in the matter. If you take away the sponsors your done. That happens when you turn over control for the sake of Money.
If they could dial back the costs of racing so that a team could run on 5-8 million, they would have enough sponsors to refuse those with high demands.
 
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