Chicagoland Pre Race Thread

reck said:
I read more changes are coming tomorrow.

They'll finally address the restarts issue.

Among the possible changes are, eliminating the restart zone and letting the flagman control it, or another option is to put the leader on another row all to himself.

The latter would be so terrible

IMO I'll be fine with single file restarts again.
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Personally, I think that single file restarts would be a huge step backwards. Double file restarts have been one of the best changes that they've made in recent years. For years after each All-Star race it came up time and time again as to why we can't have that every week. It's produced some great racing right from the beginning of a run that we don't normally get in a single file start.

Them possibly throwing that leader out there on his own row..... I sure hope they don't do that. With the kind of decisions that have been handed down this week though, it wouldn't come as a surprise.
 
reck said:
I've been wondering what's it mean when you run your 10 fastest lap in the middle of a run. Take Gordon for example, his best run starts at lap 20 and ends at 29. Does he put new tires on and goes on a run later or is it progressive, on old tires?

Vets, this is your cue..
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Those numbers are deceiving to say the least. Some of them come out of a full run on tires and fuel and others just go out and run a much smaller segment. In that final practice only 19 drivers of the 41 that practiced ran 10 or more consecutive laps. Using your Gordon example, he ran at least those 29 laps on one set of tires on the same setup. It doesn't tell you how many laps he continued after his 29th lap although he did run 34 total laps in that final practice. Without all of the drivers making full runs though it's really hard to get any good info out of it IMO.
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
I think that last one is going to be too difficult to police. How will we know people aren't faking issues? What if a team just wants to run on a different pit strategy?
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Yes, it's going to be very difficult to police. It's all open for interpretation. I know many won't agree, and you may not either, but I think that NASCAR was in a tough spot for sure this past week. They caved in to public pressure. The problem with that is that the public doesn't even agree on what should have been the outcome of last weeks race. There's a wide range of opinions and that will always cause dissent among the masses. They are only opening themselves up for more of that in the future with the new 12-4 L rule and the other released policies. In other words, it ain't getting better anytime soon.
 
beantownkid10 said:
I'm not sure we will be racing tomorrow.

Rain, rain, more rain in the forecast. Nothing on monday.
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Yep, you're probably right. It will probably be an extended pre-race broadcast that will have to conclude on Monday. Gee, I wonder what they have to talk about during that long rain delay today?
 
How do you enforse the racing 100% at talladega where people just hang out in the back?
 
I think letting the flag man control the race would work. Either that or get rid of the restart "zone" and make it a restart line.. "you go at this line" whoever gets to turn 1 first gets the spot... they could call it the start line lol they could even use the same one to finish the race too!! :lol2:
 
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Helton was on..not one word about Penske's actions. Different restart protocol, will be announced in the drivers meeting. Nothing said about 100%
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
I think that last one is going to be too difficult to police. How will we know people aren't faking issues? What if a team just wants to run on a different pit strategy?
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I think people are making more of this than what it really is. nascar isn't going to start making calls over every little thing. The new "100%" policy is more for when teams are obviously sandbagging for some kind of an advantage, be it for them or a teammate.
If it's not something completely obvious or blatant you won't hear a word from nascar control.
 
gordonite said:
I think people are making more of this than what it really is. nascar isn't going to start making calls over every little thing. The new "100%" policy is more for when teams are obviously sandbagging for some kind of an advantage, be it for them or a teammate.
If it's not something completely obvious or blatant you won't hear a word from nascar control.
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Yeah I really don't think they want to start having to examine every single pass on every lap of every race.
 
I really hope they can race tonight because there is absolutely no way I can miss work tomorrow. Obviously I can record but no Trackpass scanner that way and it's not as easy as it used to be to avoid spoilers. #firstworldproblems
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I think letting the flag man control the race would work. Either that or get rid of the restart "zone" and make it a restart line.. "you go at this line" whoever gets to turn 1 first gets the spot... they could call it the start line lol they could even use the same one to finish the race too!! :lol2:
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Using the start line to start or restart? Brilliant
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Yeah I really don't think they want to start having to examine every single pass on every lap of every race.
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They just want guys to put an end to the team orders BS and race. I don't see NASCAR as having to do much other than being extra vigilant at Richmond 2 and Homestead each year.
 
Matthew2470 said:
I really hope they can race tonight because there is absolutely no way I can miss work tomorrow. Obviously I can record but no Trackpass scanner that way and it's not as easy as it used to be to avoid spoilers. #firstworldproblems
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Karma can be a bitch bud. Wanking on folks complaining about FS2 yesterday about how you are all dished out with dvd's out the ying yang..ew ee.. Better hope it doesn't rain I guess.
 
Again, I think what NASCAR was saying was just run the race --- just stick to racing as well as you can. I don't think it means
you can't run at the back at Daytona or Talladega, or that control will be scrutinizing every pass on the track. They just want the
teams to race.

And I have a feeling that the drivers and owners have heard NASCAR, and most importantly, the fans --- loud and clear.
 
StandOnIt said:
Karma can be a bitch bud. Wanking on folks complaining about FS2 yesterday about how you are all dished out with dvd's out the ying yang..ew ee.. Better hope it doesn't rain I guess.
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Karma? LOL Only delusional idiots believe in that mystical BS.

All I said was I want to watch the race live as do millions of others. Even an egotistical snob like me realizes that I have no effect on weather patterns. :)
 
reck said:
I read more changes are coming tomorrow.

They'll finally address the restarts issue.

Among the possible changes are, eliminating the restart zone and letting the flagman control it, or another option is to put the leader on another row all to himself.

The latter would be so terrible.

IMO I'll be fine with single file restarts again.
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Says the gordon fan :p

Double file restarts are sadly at some tracks the only action of the day.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Lazyking, I'm hoping that the restart box is eliminated and the cars go when the green waves. No waiting for the leader to cross first.

Green = GO !
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I'd be fine with that.. some say it would take the leader's advantage away but really, if they have the preferred lane, don't spin the tires when they see the flag, they'll be fine.

The restart zone has just caused too many problems. too many grey areas when Nascar should be more black and white.
 
The new rules specifically say you have try 100% to achieve your highest possible *finishing* position. They don't say you have to try and lead the whole race. If your strategy is to hang in the back all night, then race to the front at the end ... then that's perfectly fine.

The new rules don't address lap 134 of a 500 lap race, just the final position on the final lap.
 
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