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There’s that word again…family.This is an interesting statement from the tweet above:
“Any scenario that doesn't have Kyle Busch retiring from Joe Gibbs Racing and Toyota would be a monstrous disappointment for us and for Coach Gibbs and the family.”
Bazinga!
The real Godfather, not that jackass on Sirius XM every afternoon.
Including the scenario of JGR not finding a sponsor and nobody else wanting or being able to afford Mr. Personality.This is an interesting statement from the tweet above:
“Any scenario that doesn't have Kyle Busch retiring from Joe Gibbs Racing and Toyota would be a monstrous disappointment for us and for Coach Gibbs and the family.”
Bazinga!
I had a feeling this would be harder than expected.Including the scenario of JGR not finding a sponsor and nobody else wanting or being able to afford Mr. Personality.
Kyle forced to retire at end of season?This is an interesting statement from the tweet above:
“Any scenario that doesn't have Kyle Busch retiring from Joe Gibbs Racing and Toyota would be a monstrous disappointment for us and for Coach Gibbs and the family.”
Bazinga!
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Agreed. Even if everything is "above board" and all teams get any data found, the optics are just not good to allow the team that's already borderline dominating the series to participate in an event that could serve as a huge testing advantage.If your a Chevy or Hendrick fan it’s easy to Pooh-Pooh this but other teams and manufacturers have a right to be disappointed if what he’s saying is true.
Bingo. Well put Dr.Agreed. Even if everything is "above board" and all teams get any data found, the optics are just not good to allow the team that's already borderline dominating the series to participate in an event that could serve as a huge testing advantage.
On the Chevy front....How in the hell does the sanctioning body pull this without talking to its "partners?" ....and the Kyle Busch front....This is more about David supporting the process that leaning on JGR--but that won't stop @StandOnIt from turning it into something it isn't. WE have one team that gets US in the game....and the OEM President wants to go public, and embarrass the team owner? Got it. Impressed that David got his own thread. Let's start a Mark Rushbrook or a Jim Campbell thread.....What would people post? Probably not much.Can't wait to hear @Revman 's thoughts!
The optics already suck when Chevy got their Camaro 2.0, and now this happens in a dark alley in the middle of the night. WTF is NASCAR thinking? The Next Gen is a huge hit, and you do this.....Jim France **** the bed on this IMO.Agreed. Even if everything is "above board" and all teams get any data found, the optics are just not good to allow the team that's already borderline dominating the series to participate in an event that could serve as a huge testing advantage.
I suspect that Kyle isn't budging from his 10 million asking price. I don't think Kenseth did either. Hard to blame them.....Kyle forced to retire at end of season?
Always wondered about Kyle's impact on a sponsor. I don't buy that he is someone they run from. There is a piece of this where the money guys are flattered that the acts as he does publicly, but is nice to them privately....and think about it....he can make bleach have attitude, and that interests people. More to your point....Is KFB worth the investment at this point in his career, or are his best days behind him? My guy, @jaqua19 points out that Kyle is on the backside of his success....I am on the fence...but neither of us can pony up 10 million so it's more about how many gallons of bleach do you think you can sell. I think what we have here is somewhat similar to the Kenseth situation....somewhat in the sense that Kyle is younger and much more appealing to sponsors.I had a feeling this would be harder than expected.
The whole reason sponsors and car owners tolerate Kyle Busch is that he wins. A lot.
If he’s not winning a lot, and getting you that TV time, where’s the upside to sponsoring Kyle Busch?
Gotta tell ya...this is pretty awesome. LMAO. Well done!
Always wondered about Kyle's impact on a sponsor. I don't buy that he is someone they run from. There is a piece of this where the money guys are flattered that the acts as he does publicly, but is nice to them privately....and think about it....he can make bleach have attitude, and that interests people. More to your point....Is KFB worth the investment at this point in his career, or are his best days behind him? My guy, @jaqua19 points out that Kyle is on the backside of his success....I am on the fence...but neither of us can pony up 10 million so it's more about how many gallons of bleach do you think you can sell. I think what we have here is somewhat similar to the Kenseth situation....somewhat in the sense that Kyle is younger and much more appealing to sponsors.
I also think that this is a very interesting situation for Coach. You have to be careful here. You go big on salary for Kyle, you had better be prepared to do that for Bell....I think Truex retires at the end of the year or next, and Denny has lots of options that might be out of JGR control. Bottom line is that Bell is the prized asset for JGR and Toyota. He is the future, and is showing promise. He goes nowhere, but if you drop 10 million on an aging superstar, he isn't taking 3 million particularly if he starts winning, and there is every reason to believe that this is imminent. Very interesting.
Seems like more of a publicity stunt than anything else. What are they going to learn at LeMans that can't be or already has been learned at any road course.I don't really see why this is such a big deal. To my understanding it's not a true stock car but something very different
Hell a couple of weeks ago he was the bestest driver ever according to you. How quick they flee lol. You and sponsors do have that in common. Kyle is only as good as his last win.If he's not winning and the only time he's getting TV time is when he's bitching about something, sponsors will run from him. His behavior is tolerated because he wins.
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His average finish is 15th over last season and this. He finishes off the lead lap about a third of the time, and he doesn't lead many laps, so he's not in position to take advantage of other drivers' mistakes or problems. I'd like to hear some of those reasons you think he's about to start living in Victory Lane. Otherwise, if Christopher Bell is the future, they better find a sponsor for the crybaby ASAP.Bottom line is that Bell is the prized asset for JGR and Toyota. He is the future, and is showing promise. He goes nowhere, but if you drop 10 million on an aging superstar, he isn't taking 3 million particularly if he starts winning, and there is every reason to believe that this is imminent.
I may be misremembering again, but doesn't this car incorporate some form of hybrid technology? If so, I could see the other manufacturers seeing this as Chevy getting a jump on them.Seems like more of a publicity stunt than anything else. What are they going to learn at LeMans that can't be or already has been learned at any road course.
As long as we are all about parity, how about letting Ford and Chevy take a peek at this. It's nonsense IMO what Toyota could possibility learn when they have already raced Hybrids for years (since 2016) at LeMans of all places.I may be misremembering again, but doesn't this car incorporate some form of hybrid technology? If so, I could see the other manufacturers seeing this as Chevy getting a jump on them.
If I'm incorrect, then I agree that publicity is the big gain for GM.
Besides TGR and TRD racing activities having nothing to do with each other that particular tech is irrelevant compared to GM mating an actual Cup engine with a future electric Next Gen component.As long as we are all about parity, how about letting Ford and Chevy take a peek at this. It's nonsense IMO what Toyota could possibility learn when they have already raced Hybrids for years (since 2016) at LeMans of all places.
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says you lol.Besides TGR and TRD racing activities having nothing to do with each other that particular tech is irrelevant compared to GM mating an actual Cup engine with a future electric Next Gen component.
Let him cook...Besides TGR and TRD racing activities having nothing to do with each other that particular tech is irrelevant compared to GM mating an actual Cup engine with a future electric Next Gen component.
Hell a couple of weeks ago he was the bestest driver ever according to you. How quick they flee lol. You and sponsors do have that in common. Kyle is only as good as his last win.
Wilson is already laying off the blame and putting it all on the preacher if they can't find sponsorship. Watch Wilson take credit for it if they do find sponsors. Manufacturers should keep their mouths shut, stay out of things like this and let independent car owners run their business IF they really are independent team owners. I've always thought Gibbs was more of an employee and having a wet nurse like Wilson grabbing the headlines it sure looks that way. "Family"
After complaining to NASCAR, Toyota granted full access to Next Gen testing for Le Mans
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How in the hell do you, me, David Wilson or the fence post know it is an unfair advantage? Nascar is involved in the effort. How do you know the hybrid system won't be a standard part adapted to all brands? Think how would a racing series keep costs down to the teams? It sure as hell wouldn't be letting all of them develop their own separate hybrid system. Anyway that is what logic and the trend in Nascar is these days? Standardized parts. It could be the other way, but it would get expensive real fast.Kyle's a great driver who isn't winning right now.
David Wilson was not wrong though. It's an unfair advantage but we were all supposed to turn a blind eye since Chase Elliott benefits from it.
How in the hell do you, me, David Wilson or the fence post know it is an unfair advantage?
Next Gen Camaro beefed up for reliability and incorporating future hybrid techExactly. Bunch of nonsense. Anyone speculating that Chevrolet/HMS/Elliott/etc will benefit from this is full of it. That's like saying Penske, Ganassi, and Haas have an unfair advantage in NASCAR because they run open wheel.
How and the hell can you "beef" up a car and have it legal in Nascar? That is what I want to knowNext Gen Camaro beefed up for reliability and incorporating future hybrid tech
Open wheel car with entirely different engine and chassis platform at about half the weight
Surely there’s a difference?
How and the hell can you "beef" up a car and have it legal in Nascar? That is what I want to know