Kasey Kahne

You're either a clueless individual, a newbie or a very, very terrible troll.

Either of which fits your criteria.

Yeah and usually when people start to look stupid in an argument on a message board they are quick to resort to calling someone a troll. Give me some fact to argue the point I am making which is that Kasey's performance is on par with most except Johnson the last few years since he has wins and a top 5 in the points. If you can't do that you are better off just not posting because you make yourself look like an ass when all you can do is throw out insults.
 
Do I need to add the would've? lol.... I think that's the big problem with him... he needs that killer instinct that he clearly doesn't have. No one remembers who finished 2nd... which is a big reason why he not a very memorable person. He's never been in championship talk.. sure he wins twice a year but so does Greg Biffle. The only difference is that Kasey is driving a Hendrick car so he is expected to be better... and he's not so it makes him look even worse.

Tell me who has this "killer instinct you are talking about. Everyone is a critic.
 
Yeah and usually when people start to look stupid in an argument on a message board they are quick to resort to calling someone a troll. Give me some fact to argue the point I am making which is that Kasey's performance is on par with most except Johnson the last few years since he has wins and a top 5 in the points. If you can't do that you are better off just not posting because you make yourself look like an ass when all you can do is throw out insults.

Also amazing to hear a Logano fan talk about an other driver's lack of performance. How many wins does he have? 3? Nice "Killer Instinct."
 
Yeah and usually when people start to look stupid in an argument on a message board they are quick to resort to calling someone a troll. Give me some fact to argue the point I am making which is that Kasey's performance is on par with most except Johnson the last few years since he has wins and a top 5 in the points. If you can't do that you are better off just not posting because you make yourself look like an ass when all you can do is throw out insults.

I already did but let me refresh your memory..

Kasey VS Gordon

2012-2013

Discouting 2014 to give you a a semblance of a chance.
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Kahne 2012-2013
4 Wins
23 top 5s
33 top 10s
4 poles
959 laps led
Overall standings 4th and 12th
Avr fn 13.1 and 16.2

Gordon 2012-2013
3 Wins
19 top 5s
35 top 10s
4 poles
1,002 laps led
Overall standings 10th and 6th
Avr fn 12.9 (Exactly for both years)
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Pretty much on par but Gordon clearly has the edge in every year since Kasey joined. I'm sorry to tell you but a single win doesn't make him second best at the organization. There is alot more that goes into it, like say for example...being a contender which Gordon has been doing while Kahne always fades and never being a threat.

Also want to point out the penalty Gordon took back in 2012 that saw him dropped from 6th to 11th in points for the Phoenix fiasco.
 
I don't understand why you think Kasey requires an "excuse." He had a bad chase last year plain and simple....so did Carl Edwards who somehow finished worse than Kasey. Jr had a good Chase. The year prior yes Jr finished 12th partially because of a concussion but do you really think he would have beat Kasey's 4th place in the standings that year? Kasey was better than him all year. Also, look back at the history - Jr has had some REALLY bad points finishes as well. There was one year the other Hendrick cars finished 1-2-3 in the points and he was in the 20's. And let's not forget - there was not point since 2006 that Jr was in equipment that was not worse than Kasey's but Kasey spent some of those years in a bad ride that no one else can win in. The year prior to that Kasey was in inferior eqipment at Red Bull and had he made The Chase he ran good enough during it to finish third. The bottom line is this.....neither Kasey or Junior have ever really put an eitire season together to be a cahpionship threat. You talk abiout Jr. like he is a contender all the time. He has not finished in the top 5 in points since 2006. He has 3 total wins from 2006 - current. In that same time frame Kasey has 15. For a person who supposedly likes Kasey you are sure quick to down him for no apparent reason. Also, I have no idea what you mean by "bloodfued." I am just stating fact.
LOL. It's all good, man. Like I said, I was essentially just trolling you in the second paragraph of my post that you quoted. I do like Kasey, and I'm more with the Kahneaanites in this thread than the Kahne detractors. I was one of the few that defended him when everybody on here jumped down his throat for not dumping Kenseth last year for a win. Your side made it personal by going after my man Junior, though, so naturally I had to respond by attacking Kahne. An eye for an eye. ;)

That was a good rebuttal. I just have one small correction to make. You claimed that Junior hasn't finished in the top 5 in points since 2006, and you were almost correct. He actually finished fifth last year, with 10 top 5s and 22 top 10s.

As for my counter-rebuttal, in 2011 he finished just outside the top 5 in 7th (that was the year where he finally started to get himself together). In 2012 he had the same number of top 5s and only two fewer top 10s than he did in 2013, and he had a higher average finish in 2012, so who knows what would have happened if not for that concussion? Would he have passed Kahne for fourth? Maybe not, but we'll never know.

Sure, Kahne wins more than Junior, but Junior is more consistent than Kahne. Between the two of them, Junior has had the higher average finish over the last few years, even since Kahne started driving the 5 car in 2012. (In 2012 he had a 10.9 to Kahne's 13.1, and in 2013 he had a 12.6 to Kahne's 16.2.) If Kahne ever does develop any consistency, he'll truly be a force to be reckoned with. As of now, he's good, but streaky, just as Junior is good but doesn't win in bunches.
 
LOL this thing is still going on? LOLLING
I already did but let me refresh your memory..

Kasey VS Gordon

2012-2013

Discouting 2014 to give you a a semblance of a chance.
--

Kahne 2012-2013
4 Wins
23 top 5s
33 top 10s
4 poles
959 laps led
Overall standings 4th and 12th
Avr fn 13.1 and 16.2

Gordon 2012-2013
3 Wins
19 top 5s
35 top 10s
4 poles
1,002 laps led
Overall standings 10th and 6th
Avr fn 12.9 (Exactly for both years)
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Pretty much on par but Gordon clearly has the edge in every year since Kasey joined. I'm sorry to tell you but a single win doesn't make him second best at the organization. There is alot more that goes into it, like say for example...being a contender which Gordon has been doing while Kahne always fades and never being a threat.

Also want to point out the penalty Gordon took back in 2012 that saw him dropped from 6th to 11th in points for the Phoenix fiasco.[/quote]


I thought you said excuses don't matter? Or is that just when it doesn't fit your argument. Also remember without a bs ruling Jeff Gordon would not have even been in the chase last year
 
@DaBiff1618

No one is making excuses. I just thought that little hidden fact was relevant to the discussion seem as how ram9 think Kasey is second best over there...

And need I remind you Gordon was already in the chase prior to that old BS? It took TWO ORGANIZATIONS to try to keep him out. GTFO
 
I'm sorry but that stuff happens a lot in racing. If any driver other then Jeff Gordon had lost out to that, nascar wouldn't have done a thing.
 
Ryan Newman did. He was "let" into the Chase days before Gordon was anyways.
Newmans was different because he had the race won. They added an extra car to the chase to appease Darth Sidious..err I mean Rick Hendrick and Gordon. That made nascar look like a bigger joke than it already is
 
Newmans was different because he had the race won. They added an extra car to the chase to appease Darth Sidious..err I mean Rick Hendrick and Gordon. That made nascar look like a bigger joke than it already is
And Gordon was also in the Chase at the same time Newman was winning the race. If anything, NASCAR could have, and maybe should have, taken Logano out of the Chase but it was probably too late into the week to do that.
 
Newmans was different because he had the race won. They added an extra car to the chase to appease Darth Sidious..err I mean Rick Hendrick and Gordon. That made nascar look like a bigger joke than it already is

:XXROFL:

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Between the two of them, Junior has had the higher average finish over the last few years, even since Kahne started driving the 5 car in 2012. (In 2012 he had a 10.9 to Kahne's 13.1, and in 2013 he had a 12.6 to Kahne's 16.2.) If Kahne ever does develop any consistency, he'll truly be a force to be reckoned with. As of now, he's good, but streaky, just as Junior is good but doesn't win in bunches.

I dont know why he keeps disputing that.

Both Gordon and Jr. have posted better overall results. Good rammy here is picking and choosing what he looks for.

Dont work that way.

He wants to throw the if and bad luck card around as if Jr. or Gordon shouldn't have more wins than they actually do or have more top 5s or 10s or what have you.

If you want to get into the if game..Gordon should have 2 extra championships, hell of a lot more wins etc.

Same for Jr.

How many times did Jr. finish second last year and how many times did he seem to run out of fuel when teh win was at hand? Alot.

So save the if and luck shtick man. Deal with the facts and them facts are that both those guys have outperform him in the past and are currently doing it in the present too.
 
I already did but let me refresh your memory..

Kasey VS Gordon

2012-2013

Discouting 2014 to give you a a semblance of a chance.
--

Kahne 2012-2013
4 Wins
23 top 5s
33 top 10s
4 poles
959 laps led
Overall standings 4th and 12th
Avr fn 13.1 and 16.2

Gordon 2012-2013
3 Wins
19 top 5s
35 top 10s
4 poles
1,002 laps led
Overall standings 10th and 6th
Avr fn 12.9 (Exactly for both years)
--

Pretty much on par but Gordon clearly has the edge in every year since Kasey joined. I'm sorry to tell you but a single win doesn't make him second best at the organization. There is alot more that goes into it, like say for example...being a contender which Gordon has been doing while Kahne always fades and never being a threat.



Also want to point out the penalty Gordon took back in 2012 that saw him dropped from 6th to 11th in points for the Phoenix fiasco.

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!! "Clearly on Par" but Gordon has the "edge." HOW?????? Kasey has more wins, and more tops 5's and he also has a top 5 in the points that Gordon lacks. Gordon may have a few more laps lad and a couple more top 10's but I really don't see how you can use that to justify having an "edge" when Kasey has more wins and tops 5's. Thanks for making my point for me.

Look, I am going to be as clear as possible on this. I am not saying Kasey is better than Gordon or anyone eslse. My entire POINT has been that his numbers are similar to almost any driver out there other than Jimmie Johnson. The only reason I am quick to defend him is because I am tired of him being everyone's favorite whipping boy. People have said they are tired of the "Kahne hype." Really? What "hype?" I hardly see him in any commercials anymore and they hardly talk about him during the race. Who is over hyping him? Then people say he has no killer instinct. OK, how about the bold outside pass on Gordon at Pocono last year? No killer instinct there? He was in the process of making an amazing pass on Kyle Busch at Darlington when he got dumped. He was on it that day as far as so called "killer instinct." I also love how people ripped him for not dumping Kenseth to win the night race at Bristol but I will guarantee that had he wrecked Kenseth people would have ripped him for that. And let me also spell it out for you because you obviously don't understand.....consistency means N-O-T-H-I-N-G anymore. Wins are what coounts. This new formart probably plays into Kasey's hands if things play out the way they normally do for him but if not and he has his first winless year since 2007 (which BTW Gordon and Jr have had plenty of those) people like you will be calling for his head at HMS even though (again) the only one out performing him clearly is Johnson who by amazing coincidence happens to be out performing everyone.
 
Also amazing to hear a Logano fan talk about an other driver's lack of performance. How many wins does he have? 3? Nice "Killer Instinct."
Who are you? lol...

Show me what the charts look like this year comparing Joey and Kasey :rolleyes: NASCAR isn't about what you did last year...
 
Who are you? lol...

Show me what the charts look like this year comparing Joey and Kasey :rolleyes: NASCAR isn't about what you did last year...

LOL....That's pretty desperate bro....so Joey gets a win and suddenly he's beeter than drivers who have justy not won yet this year. I huess using that logic (or lack there of) Joey Logano is a better driver than Jimmie Johnson.....LMAO!!1
 
LOL....That's pretty desperate bro....so Joey gets a win and suddenly he's beeter than drivers who have justy not won yet this year. I huess using that logic (or lack there of) Joey Logano is a better driver than Jimmie Johnson.....LMAO!!1
Lol ur new here so I'll take it easy on you. Welcome aboard :) Always nice to add another name to the I told you so list :D
 
"Killer Instinct"



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Not "killer instinct"

I like 0:20 :)



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Oh and I could go on Youtube and find 16 clips of Kasey winning and say "killer instinct" too but I just don't have the time or energey.
The point is all of Joeys wins he made happen with force. Kasey's lucky to get a good pit stop and gain a few second lead for a win... if he gets caught... he usually gets 2nd.
 
Lol ur new here so I'll take it easy on you. Welcome aboard :) Always nice to add another name to the I told you so list :D

You can keep telling yourself that but it doesn't make it true. All you have "told" me so far is that Joey Logano is a better driver than Kasey Kanhe because he has a win this year and Kasey does not which I don't need to justify with a further response.
 
The point is all of Joeys wins he made happen with force. Kasey's lucky to get a good pit stop and gain a few second lead for a win... if he gets caught... he usually gets 2nd.

LMFAO!!!!! I am laughing so hard I can barely type......usually when Kasey wins it's with a dominat car so what you are saying has no basis in fact. Did Joey win that rain shortended race at Loudon with "force." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Thanks for the laugh. I really needed that boost today. The morning at work is dragging.
 
LMFAO!!!!! I am laughing so hard I can barely type......usually when Kasey wins it's with a dominat car so what you are saying has no basis in fact. Did Joey win that rain shortended race at Loudon with "force." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Thanks for the laugh. I really needed that boost today. The morning at work is dragging.
LMAO Of course that's ur only argument...Im obviously not counting that win... never really did other than just to rag on someone lol... u put Kasey in a bad spot and I haven't seen him come out on top, not lately. Im not saying Joey is better than Kasey only because he has win this year. Im saying Joey is better than Kasey .. that's it.. just in general. How about u go and actually watch the videos at the times I posted.... that's pretty much the reality of it. Like it or not. You don't have to believe it... it makes no difference to me and wont change results. I look forward to debating with you though. I hope you stick around :)
 
LMAO Of course that's ur only argument...Im obviously not counting that win... never really did other than just to rag on someone lol... u put Kasey in a bad spot and I haven't seen him come out on top, not lately. Im not saying Joey is better than Kasey only because he has win this year. Im saying Joey is better than Kasey .. that's it.. just in general. How about u go and actually watch the videos at the times I posted.... that's pretty much the reality of it. Like it or not. You don't have to believe it... it makes no difference to me and wont change results. I look forward to debating with you though. I hope you stick around :)

Look man....I am anot even gonna debate with you on "who is better in general." Joey is a good driver who has probably underachieved but the same could be said of Kasey. Joey has been in good equipment his whole career and has little to show for it but they are both good drivers who can do better than they have. You really can't make an logic based argument that Joey is better because the numbers just don't back that. If your OPINION is Joey is better that's fine...you're entitled to that. Just understand that 16 wins to 3 wins does not help your argument. Also, Kasey has a history of DOMINANT wins....most of wins come from the pole. The deal with Kasey is this: If they give him the car he can drive the wheels off of right to vicorty lane and he has proven that with no doubt. Where he (and the team) need to improve is making the car better when they are off. It's rare to see them unload slow and improve all weekend.
 
Look man....I am anot even gonna debate with you on "who is better in general." Joey is a good driver who has probably underachieved but the same could be said of Kasey. Joey has been in good equipment his whole career and has little to show for it but they are both good drivers who can do better than they have. You really can't make an logic based argument that Joey is better because the numbers just don't back that. If your OPINION is Joey is better that's fine...you're entitled to that. Just understand that 16 wins to 3 wins does not help your argument. Also, Kasey has a history of DOMINANT wins....most of wins come from the pole. The deal with Kasey is this: If they give him the car he can drive the wheels off of right to vicorty lane and he has proven that with no doubt. Where he (and the team) need to improve is making the car better when they are off. It's rare to see them unload slow and improve all weekend.
Well said... that's more like it lol... but you can throw out the JGR years for joey really... he has comparable if not better stats than Kasey over the past 3 years. Kasey has been around much longer than Joey.
This thread has gotten out of hand. We're comparing Kasey to Joey now??? Lololololol
Yup... Joeys ahead so far :p
 
Yes.

How many times has Kahne outpoint either Gordon and Jr. in his career?

Dont wreck your brain trying to figure that one out. Here's a hint...not many.

I really don't understand your thought process on how important points finishes are. Points are so dependant on luck and while you may be right about Jr. and Gordon "out pointing" Kasey Jeff Gordon will go down as one of the greatest of all time so why is there shame in Kasey getting beat by him when frankly he beats a lot of people. As for Jr, you should take a closer look because the numbers are pretty close. Yes Jr beat Kasey in the points every year from 2004-2008 but let's be real...Kasey was in crap equipment ALL of those years and since then Kasey has beat Jr in the points 3 out of 5 years. Also, even WITH Kasey in inferior equipment the majority of his career his average points finish is 13.7 and Jr is a WHOPPING ***ONE**** position better at 12.7 even WITH being in much better equipment his entire career.
 
I really don't understand your thought process on how important points finishes are. Points are so dependant on luck and while you may be right about Jr. and Gordon "out pointing" Kasey Jeff Gordon will go down as one of the greatest of all time so why is there shame in Kasey getting beat by him when frankly he beats a lot of people. As for Jr, you should take a closer look because the numbers are pretty close. Yes Jr beat Kasey in the points every year from 2004-2008 but let's be real...Kasey was in crap equipment ALL of those years and since then Kasey has beat Jr in the points 3 out of 5 years. Also, even WITH Kasey in inferior equipment the majority of his career his average points finish is 13.7 and Jr is a WHOPPING ***ONE**** position better at 12.7 even WITH being in much better equipment his entire career.
Simple ... JJ won 6 of the past 8 cups... That's the bar at HMS. Jeff has 4 cups and Jr is Jr..... Kasey has to out perform them to seem even equal... not fair... but reality.
 
Well said... that's more like it lol... but you can throw out the JGR years for joey really... he has comparable if not better stats than Kasey over the past 3 years. Kasey has been around much longer than Joey.

Yup... Joeys ahead so far :p

I really don't understand why you just "throw out" the JGR years. That is good equipment and Matt Kenseth jumped into that ride and won 7 races last year. I will give you this tough...there is no question Joey has the driving chops. I feel like he was a victim of being rushed up too early in his career and struggled to meet expectations. He is in a good situation now so we will see what he can do. But until he proves it and actually wins multiple races in a year and/or competes for a champuionship the jury is still out.

The bottom line with Kasey is this. He did more in the beginning of career with less (as far as equipment) than most. The guy has had 2 decent years with HMS winning 4 races and making The Chase both years with a top 5 finish one year. I am not saying he is "better" than any other driver on the track because that is an endless, pointless debate. I will say though that people are way too harsh on him and the expectations seem impossible at times and I would think a fan of Joey Logano could relate to that. Mark my words though. If he peaks at the right time this year he could EASILY win the championship. This format favors his patten. IF he were to oull that off ALL of this talk would be gone.
 
Simple ... JJ won 6 of the past 8 cups... That's the bar at HMS. Jeff has 4 cups and Jr is Jr..... Kasey has to out perform them to seem even equal... not fair... but reality.

If that's the case it does not matter WHO they put in the 5 car...they are being set up for failure from day one.
 
I really don't understand why you just "throw out" the JGR years. That is good equipment and Matt Kenseth jumped into that ride and won 7 races last year. I will give you this tough...there is no question Joey has the driving chops. I feel like he was a victim of being rushed up too early in his career and struggled to meet expectations. He is in a good situation now so we will see what he can do. But until he proves it and actually wins multiple races in a year and/or competes for a champuionship the jury is still out.

The bottom line with Kasey is this. He did more in the beginning of career with less (as far as equipment) than most. The guy has had 2 decent years with HMS winning 4 races and making The Chase both years with a top 5 finish one year. I am not saying he is "better" than any other driver on the track because that is an endless, pointless debate. I will say though that people are way too harsh on him and the expectations seem impossible at times and I would think a fan of Joey Logano could relate to that. Mark my words though. If he peaks at the right time this year he could EASILY win the championship. This format favors his patten. IF he were to oull that off ALL of this talk would be gone.

If Kasey wins a championship, people will just say it was by luck.

I do agree this format can favor him, especially if he can have things go his way for once.
 
Simple ... JJ won 6 of the past 8 cups... That's the bar at HMS. Jeff has 4 cups and Jr is Jr..... Kasey has to out perform them to seem even equal... not fair... but reality.

This just in...Kasey out performed Joey in practice (Kasey 4th and Joey 17th) so does that mean Kasey is better than Joey now? LOL!!! In all seriousness though this is the FIRST time all year Kasey has unloaded fast. Could be trouble. 4th overall and 3rd best 10 lap average.
 
This is one of those threads that won't die. If Kasey doesn't win a race this year, people will still defend him and if he wins the championship his detractors will still bitch.
 
This is one of those threads that won't die. If Kasey doesn't win a race this year, people will still defend him and if he wins the championship his detractors will still bitch.

I won't defend him if he does not win this year because in my opinion no defense is required. Wins are VERY hard to come by in Cup racing and he has not gone winless since the disaster that was his 2007 season. Now if he went all year with no top 5's and did not run up front then even as a fan I would be crizicizing his performance but so far this year while it has been off somewhat it's not NEARLY as bad as people are making it out to be. He had good cars at Daytona, Vegas, Bristol, Fontana and so on.....Just needs a little luck and they need a LITTLE more speed.
 
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