Kasey Kahne

SlicedBread22 said:
o_O

Has Kasey even finished ahead of Logano at all this year? LOL

*ramfan9 runs to nascar.com to find out which races Joey had mechanical issues* :rolleyes:
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I don't go to nascar.com for anything. That site is beyond awful. As for Kasey finishing ahead of Joey...wasn't there a race that Joey has some issues? Bristol? Is so Kasey was a top 10 there.
 
Damn, you guys were arguing when i left the house this morning and i went to the AMC theater and watched 3 movies, had lunch, stopped off at the grocery store, and you are still arguing about the same thing as when i left.:swords: At some point you guys should just call it a tie and trade smiley faces.:wub::):)
 
ramfan9 said:
I don't go to nascar.com for anything. That site is beyond awful. As for Kasey finishing ahead of Joey...wasn't there a race that Joey has some issues? Bristol? Is so Kasey was a top 10 there.
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Lol yeah and Fontana.. Im just buggin u anyway really.. I can appreciate your loyalty to your driver... lol ur talking to a long time Joey Logano fan.
 
Nitro Dude said:
Damn, you guys were arguing when i left the house this morning and i went to the AMC theater and watched 3 movies, had lunch, stopped off at the grocery store, and you are still arguing about the same thing as when i left.:swords: At some point you should just call it a tie and trade smiley faces.:wub::):)
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What movies? LOL
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Why? Were not all Jimmie fans... lol Do you all post about Joey a lot?
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You seem to be saying flooding the board with Logo tripe is justified because he's running well.
With that logic the 48 fans should be flooding the board with JJ posts/threads too because he's a 6 time champ.

Stick to your Logo love posts. Giving advice on forum etiquette is not your thing.
 
BobbyFord said:
I'm waiting for your ridiculous answer to post #279.
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You can't really look at what a driver did years ago, with a different car, in a different group
BobbyFord said:
I'm waiting for your ridiculous answer to post #279.
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Win percentage?

LOL How bout 22% :D


...........with the car and rules they use right now... this year... the year that matters
 
BobbyFord said:
I'm not criticizing anyone. I just offered up a link to statistical facts.
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Sorry....replied to the wrong post...they are popping up faster than I can respond. And as "some" have pointed out...I really lack understanding of the rules. LOL
 
SlicedBread22 said:
You can't really look at what a driver did years ago, with a different car, in a different group

Win percentage?

Lol How bout 22% :D


...........with the car and rules they use right now... this year... the year that matters
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Well you didn't disappoint. You provided a ridiculous answer. So predictable. Your post worthiness and credibility is at an all-time low.
 
ramfan9 said:
Sorry....replied to the wrong post...they are popping up faster than I can respond. And as "some" have pointed out...I really lack understanding of the rules. LOL
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ramfan9 said:
So you will be the first to criticize Joey if he has a bad run?
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So I assume this was for me? I wouldn't say I would ccriticize my own driver.. obviously.. but if the car isn't fast then Im not about to try to make excuses. Im lucky enough that I haven't had that problem this year yet.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
You can't really look at what a driver did years ago, with a different car, in a different group

Win percentage?

LOL How bout 22% :D


...........with the car and rules they use right now... this year... the year that matters
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He's doing well...that's for sure but my suggestion to you is to enjoy it with a little more humility. Things change fast, other teams will adjust. If you think this pace will keep up and Joey will win 8-races this year you are just kidding yourself.
 
BobbyFord said:
Well you didn't disappoint. You provided a ridiculous answer. So predictable. Your post worthiness and credibility is at an all-time low.
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According to you.... who says you matter much either? o_O

Regardless of what u want to say if you put Joey on the track with Kasey right now I bet more would put their money on Joey.
 
ramfan9 said:
He's doing well...that's for sure but my suggestion to you is to enjoy it with a little more humility. Things change fast, other teams will adjust. If you think this pace will keep up and Joey will win 8-races this year you are just kidding yourself.
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Well... technically with he's on pace to win every other race from here :D lol
 
Nitro Dude said:
Brick Mansions, Draft Day, and Scary House 2. But, i snoozed more then i watched.:D
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So was Draft Day any good? I was thinking of going to see it....The wife still owes me for dragging me to all the Twilight movies....so painful.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Well... technically with he's on pace to win every other race from here :D lol
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Imagine my luck...I get into a debate with a Logano fan about if Kasey is better than him or not and in that same week Logano HAPPENS to win for the 5th time in.....what is it? 6 years now? That's why I root for Kasey...we have the same luck....what are the chances? Either way there is a LONG way to go my friend.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Nope ur right... but you're only looking at one stat... even Vegas adjusts the odds throughout a weekend... welcome to 2014 buddy :)
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Um..............I wasn't talking about odds. I was talking about wins in "X" amount of starts.
If we use your ridiculous math from post #292 then your position is that Joey is more successful than Jimmie??? o_O
 
ramfan9 said:
Imagine my luck...I get into a debate with a Logano fan about if Kasey is better than him or not and in that same week Logano HAPPENS to win for the 5th time in.....what is it? 6 years now? That's why I root for Kasey...we have the same luck....what are the chances? Either way there is a LONG way to go my friend.
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That's my point in this... you can look at all those numbers but the fact is since joining Team Penske last year Joey has clearly dramatically increased his performance. That is a 100% unarguable point.

He has led more laps this season than he did in 4 years at JGR.

He has equalled his top 5 total and topped his win total in 45 starts compared to 147 with JGR.

In the past 22 (ironically enough) races only Kevin Harvick has more wins than Joey and he is among the top 5 in pretty much every stat in that time and even better looking at this year.

You guys can go on all day about starts and win percentage but if you don't see that the Joey Logano that just passed 3 champions for that win is not the same Joey Logano that ran poorly at JGR than I really.. seriously don't know what to say.

And with that I've pretty much exhausted my available resources for this argument. I have nothing more to say... Im sure for every single thing you say you could put any one of my posts from the last 2 pages in as a reply and it would be close to what I would actually say.
 
ramfan9 said:
So was Draft Day any good? I was thinking of going to see it....The wife still owes me for dragging me to all the Twilight movies....so painful.
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I liked it. I am going back and watch it again because i kept dozing off and on because of some of the after effects from some night time meds i have been taking because of a cold i'm just getting over.
 
I don't know how anyone can blame the equipment which JGR has given the #20 team over the years. If anything, I'd say that the Big Bad Wolves over at Gibbs weren't willing to hold JoLo's hand like his new BFF, Keselowski, does.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
That's my point in this... you can look at all those numbers but the fact is since joining Team Penske last year Joey has clearly dramatically increased his performance. That is a 100% unarguable point.

He has led more laps this season than he did in 4 years at JGR.

He has equalled his top 5 total and topped his win total in 45 starts compared to 147 with JGR.

In the past 22 (ironically enough) races only Kevin Harvick has more wins than Joey and he is among the top 5 in pretty much every stat in that time and even better looking at this year.

You guys can go on all day about starts and win percentage but if you don't see that the Joey Logano that just passed 3 champions for that win is not the same Joey Logano that ran poorly at JGR than I really.. seriously don't know what to say.

And with that I've pretty much exhausted my available resources for this argument. I have nothing more to say... Im sure for every single thing you say you could put any one of my posts from the last 2 pages in as a reply and it would be close to what I would actually say.
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I am gonna have to call bull#$%^ on this. You have said that you believe Joey is a better driver than Kasey. Yet you turn around and suggest that his success has to do with being in better equipment. OK, first unless the equipment is total crap it should not matter if he is such a good driver. Second, JRG is far from bad equipment. Third, Kenseth took over the 20 car and won 7 races in one season when Joey only won 2 (?) races in that car in how many years? Also, Kasey has won regardless of equipment.

To be clear I am not even trying to argue about who is "better" because unless you define "better" there is no point. I just think you may be reading a little too much into Joey's recent run. Look no further than his own teammate to see similar runs of success followed by some runs of mediocrity.
 
Nitro Dude said:
I liked it. I am going back and watch it again because i kept dozing off and on because of some of the after effects from some night time meds i have been taking because of a cold i'm just getting over.
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Get better dude.
 
ramfan9 said:
I am gonna have to call bull#$%^ on this. You have said that you believe Joey is a better driver than Kasey. Yet you turn around and suggest that his success has to do with being in better equipment. OK, first unless the equipment is total crap it should not matter if he is such a good driver. Second, JRG is far from bad equipment. Third, Kenseth took over the 20 car and won 7 races in one season when Joey only won 2 (?) races in that car in how many years? Also, Kasey has won regardless of equipment.

To be clear I am not even trying to argue about who is "better" because unless you define "better" there is no point. I just think you may be reading a little too much into Joey's recent run. Look no further than his own teammate to see similar runs of success followed by some runs of mediocrity.
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Who said anything about equipment? I never said the equipment was better... never pointed to any particular reason for Joeys success after the team change. That's really undeterminable in my opinion. I never even really said I don't like Kasey.. I think he's good... but I think Joey has more of a "get off my lawn" (to quote some) type of attitude than Kasey does.
 
Kiante said:
No, I was actually being sarcastic.

Both Menard and Jr earned their places. Yes, they have money. The results the have back up those cases as well. I'm not the biggest on Khane at all, but I think he's a darn good driver if the focus was on him in terms of R&D. With all four Hendrick guys being championship caliber drivers, it makes a difference with R&D being split. Consider his formers teammates in a Jeremy Mayfield, Scott Riggs, Elliot Sadler, and Brian Vickers... All solid drivers, but I think Kahne would best them all... In equal equipment with Vickers... I'm not so sure, Red Bull did not give a damn about the Nascar program after they started focusing on F1 more and other series.
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I think Kahne proved himself superior to Vickers.
Vickers while racing for a future job seemed more focused on demolition during the final races with Red Bull.
Vickers has demonstrated better focus since then and I hope he overcomes the physical challenges. But still the same I think Kahne is clearly the better of the two.
 
ramfan9 said:
Those numbers are OK but still not great for a driver as seasoned as Menard. Also, EVERYONE is a dark horse to make the chase in this format. Kasey Kahne's 2013 season is a perfect example of that. He had a slow start last year (kind of like this year except last year was more associated to bad luck and this year their performance has a little more to do with it) and he was borderline to make the chase right until the end. If he wins 2 races by June this year there will be nothing borderline about it.
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2014 Paul Menard: 3 top 10s. 1 top 5. Avg finish: 19th.
2014 Kasey Khane: 2 top 10s. 0 top 5s. Avg. finish: 20th.

Technically, Paul Menard is better than Kasey Khane. Atleast in 2014.
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ISUFan22 said:
Whole lotta queef in this thread.
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First time I've ever seen you and this is what I read and almost spit my protein shake out. Kudos.
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SlicedBread22 said:
Who said anything about equipment? I never said the equipment was better... never pointed to any particular reason for Joeys success after the team change. That's really undeterminable in my opinion. I never even really said I don't like Kasey.. I think he's good... but I think Joey has more of a "get off my lawn" (to quote some) type of attitude than Kasey does.
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"Get off my lawn?".....only when he has a water bottle in his hand. LOL
 
2014 Paul Menard: 3 top 10s. 1 top 5. Avg finish: 19th.
2014 Kasey Khane: 2 top 10s. 0 top 5s. Avg. finish: 20th.
Technically, Paul Menard is better than Kasey Khane. Atleast in 2014

Well I would hope so with the combination of bad luck and the fact thatthey are missing a little speed. 2014 if far from over so we will see where it ends up. BTW it's Kahne.
 
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