Kyle Busch is 20 wins Away From Tying Richard Petty at 200.

kyle18fan said:
Sure did





Strictly quoting the record books :idunno:





I saw him race Xfinity at Phoenix . it was painful to see
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You and many other kyle fans equate records earned in lower tiers to those earned in the high tier.

Jimmie has many more bicycle race wins/top finishes than Kyle. Are we counting those as well? It's a form of racing.

Cant change the record books, but equating 40 truck/xfinity wins to 40 cup wins is laughable.
 
DSquad48 said:
You and many other kyle fans equate records earned in lower tiers to those earned in the high tier.

Jimmie has many more bicycle race wins/top finishes than Kyle. Are we counting those as well? It's a form of racing.

Cant change the record books, but equating 40 truck/xfinity wins to 40 cup wins is laughable.
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It's not laughable when they are all NASCAR national touring series wins which is exactly what they are. To discredit any of the wins, descredts NASCAR as a sport. I give Jimmie his credit, he's a legend but also a different type of racer but what he does on a bicycle I could care less about, at least until NASCAR starts hosting bike races.
 
Simple Fan said:
It's not laughable when they are all NASCAR national touring series wins which is exactly what they are. To discredit any of the wins, descredts NASCAR as a sport. I give Jimmie his credit, he's a legend but also a different type of racer but what he does on a bicycle I could care less about, at least until NASCAR starts hosting bike races.
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It's not discrediting wins, it's properly acknowledging their difficulty to obtain given the level of competition.

Lewis Hamilton could easily snatch up every Formula 2 race in the season. That would not add anything to his legacy, imo.
 
Kyle's eventual 200+ is quite the illusive stat but one that will be celebrated none the less. Will it be looked at in the same light as Petty's 200? I'm sure by many of his fans it will just like Jimmie's seven by his fans. Simply not the same IMO.
 
DSquad48 said:
You and many other kyle fans equate records earned in lower tiers to those earned in the high tier.

Jimmie has many more bicycle race wins/top finishes than Kyle. Are we counting those as well? It's a form of racing.

Cant change the record books, but equating 40 truck/xfinity wins to 40 cup wins is laughable.
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Were the bicycle racing events sanctioned by Nascar ? I watch all of the grand tours and have never seen Johnson ride in any of them ... I am currently watching the Vuelta de Espana .... he isn't there.
40 truck wins is 40 truck wins ......... the record book clearly lays them out by series. Most folks know that a truck and a cup car are different animals anyway.
Johnson has the same amount of wins in the Nascar truck series that I do and he has 1 more win in the Xfinity series than I do
There is no need to change any record books ....... Kyles wins are all legit and speak for themselves
 
kyle18fan said:
Different eras entirely ...... many of the Petty wins were little podunk races and he had equipment that was in another universe.
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Different eras entirely ...... many of the Busch wins were little podunk races and he had equipment that was in another universe

That's how lots of people view the CTS/BGN/XS wins by Kyle to.
 
Revman said:
Richard Petty's 200 wins aren't what most think they are, and this has been documented over and over again. If this board had been in existence back then, you would have some select members posting relentlessly about inspections, parity, and cheating.....kind of like they do now when Toyota goes on a run. That 200 number is out there to piss people off who are already pissed off when Kyle eclipses (See what I did there today?).
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All common knowledge to anyone paying attention. And you seemed more pissed than your target.
Disagreement and being pissed off are two different things.
 
DSquad48 said:
You and many other kyle fans equate records earned in lower tiers to those earned in the high tier.

Jimmie has many more bicycle race wins/top finishes than Kyle. Are we counting those as well? It's a form of racing.

Cant change the record books, but equating 40 truck/xfinity wins to 40 cup wins is laughable.
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Even Kyle himself has said he embraces the nickname "King of the Minors". So in a way, even he is acknowledging that Truck and Xfinity wins aren't on the same level as Cup wins.
 
ToyYoda said:
Even Kyle himself has said he embraces the nickname "King of the Minors". So in a way, even he is acknowledging that Truck and Xfinity wins aren't on the same level as Cup wins.
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They are truck and Xfinity wins after all
 
The first post in the thread said "......making Kyle the new King of NASCAR."

Um no, just no. First, it's not just 200 wins that makes Petty the King. It's also this:
- 7 Daytona 500 wins
- 7 championships
- Some of the safety innovations over the years can be directly attributed to Petty
- His ever present black cowboy hat and dark glasses
- His big ever present smile
- Hell, there's even a car color named after him (Petty Blue.)

Busch has:
- A bunch of wins (yes, impressive)
- A penchant for stomping off like an 8 year old when he doesn't get his way

So no, Busch will never, ever be equated to the King of NASCAR.
 
ToyYoda said:
Even Kyle himself has said he embraces the nickname "King of the Minors". So in a way, even he is acknowledging that Truck and Xfinity wins aren't on the same level as Cup wins.
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Which should be common knowledge to everyone. Still possible to combine his wins though when he has so many. 200 isn't attainable racing solely Cup. Now I don't know if Kyle was shooting for that number or not, I just think the guy likes to race and happens to be pretty good at it and is nearing it now.

Both Kyle and Petty can't help they were allowed to race against lesser completion. If a racer wants to race and can he will. Petty took his car to dirt tracks mid week and Kyle runs companion races as he's already at the track. Both won alot of races and I can only speak for Kyle but I'm sure Richard had his haters in his time as well. Winnh tends to breed them.
 
This doesn't mean Kyle's 200 wins default him as the GOAT with Petty Earnhardt and Johnson..as well as Gordon and The silver fox.

All other great drivers are measured based on their cup accomplishments. THAT is the general criteria, Kyle Busch does NOT become the exception to that. It is an outlying credential. That is textbook confirmation bias, which, on a technical standpoint in regards to the philosophy of arguement, is a fallacy, and in invalid arguement.

At the end of the day, where Kyle ranks among the best drivers ever will be dependent on his cup accomplishments. And that's that
 
jaqua19 said:
This doesn't mean Kyle's 200 wins default him as the GOAT with Petty Earnhardt and Johnson..as well as Gordon and The silver fox.

All other great drivers are measured based on their cup accomplishments. THAT is the general criteria, Kyle Busch does NOT become the exception to that. It is an outlying credential. That is textbook confirmation bias, which, on a technical standpoint in regards to the philosophy of arguement, is a fallacy, and in invalid arguement.

At the end of the day, where Kyle ranks among the best drivers ever will be dependent on his cup accomplishments. And that's that
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40 wins in 450 starts
 
jaqua19 said:
This doesn't mean Kyle's 200 wins default him as the GOAT with Petty Earnhardt and Johnson..as well as Gordon and The silver fox.

All other great drivers are measured based on their cup accomplishments. THAT is the general criteria, Kyle Busch does NOT become the exception to that. It is an outlying credential. That is textbook confirmation bias, which, on a technical standpoint in regards to the philosophy of arguement, is a fallacy, and in invalid arguement.

At the end of the day, where Kyle ranks among the best drivers ever will be dependent on his cup accomplishments. And that's that
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Nope, all other drivers are measured on their careers. Be it in Cup, Xfinity, or Trucks. I get only looking at his Cup stats which are phenomenal as well but that's not the whole Kyle Busch story.
 
Is there any other driver or fan base of any driver other than Kyle that combines wins in all Nascar sanctioned events? I am unaware of any but I follow cup on a casual level and don't follow the minor league series at all. I don't believe I have ever heard a driver introduced with career wins combined either but maybe this is a new thing or just a one off with Kyle.
 
Simple Fan said:
Nope, all other drivers are measured on their careers. Be it in Cup, Xfinity, or Trucks. I get only looking at his Cup stats which are phenomenal as well but that's not the whole Kyle Busch story.
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Getting dominanted by JJ is a huge part, nobody ever owned Petty like that.
 
It's very comparable. In fact one can easily make the point that today's truck series is probably harder to win than some of the podunk little mid week short track races that Petty won in the 60's. And those were applied to his total as much as a Daytona 500 win. And it was a sign of the times but few he raced against, and rarely any at some of these little short track races had anywhere near the equipment Petty had to race in. Oftentimes Petty just had to make sure he didn't wreck and the win was almost assured just because of the equipment. Now few will give Kyle equal credit when he gets to 200 because NASCAR is going to protect the king at all cost, and so will many of the fans. But what Kyle will do will actually be more impressive.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Is there any other driver or fan base of any driver other than Kyle that combines wins in all Nascar sanctioned events? I am unaware of any but I follow cup on a casual level and don't follow the minor league series at all. I don't believe I have ever heard a driver introduced with career wins combined either but maybe this is a new thing or just a one off with Kyle.
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As I said, confirmation bias. All eras had THE guy to beat, and a challenger since the 80s. But not this decade. JJ has utterly dominated KB and the cup series.

Gotta boost someone else up as the "challenger".

Kyle is a legend.

But as of 2005, both these guyd had no titles. 12 seasons later, one has 7, one has 1. You cant elevate the later to the former's status when they have raced each other.

40 wins in 400+ starts is impressive. It very well may be #2 to JJ. Kyle will go down as a sort of DW, top 10 kind of guy. Why can't that be okay?
 
kymartin6 said:
And that's how it should be.......... that's how it is with everyone else...... why should Kyle have such special treatment that he has his combined?????


Oh..... wait......... according to NBC and all the Kyle fans....... he's on a different level.......
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Well he is, anyone else could do what Kyle does but choose not to or just get beat by him. He's the only one even close to touching 200 wins no matter what series they're are in. As I said even without Petty's 200 Kyle's wins would still be made a big deal by NASCAR and the networks, they'd be dumb not to.
 
kymartin6 said:
And that's how it should be.......... that's how it is with everyone else...... why should Kyle have such special treatment that he has his combined?????


Oh..... wait......... according to NBC and all the Kyle fans....... he's on a different level.......
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3 sets of burnout marks at Bristol are proof he is on a different level IMO
 
Simple Fan said:
Well he is, anyone else could do what Kyle does but choose not to or just get beat by him. He's the only one even close to touching 200 wins no matter what series they're are in. As I said even without Petty's 200 Kyle's wins would still be made a big deal by NASCAR and the networks, they'd be dumb not to.
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Whatever..........
 
It's way too early to try and compare the two. This discussion needs to wait until Kyle retires, then we will have a more accurate measuring stick. Until then people can discuss, argue, troll, whatever they want to do that makes them happy. I will wait until all the numbers are in, before I decide. When you get right down to it, does it matter? They will never go head to head, so we will never really know.
 
VaDirt said:
The first post in the thread said "......making Kyle the new King of NASCAR."

Um no, just no. First, it's not just 200 wins that makes Petty the King. It's also this:
- 7 Daytona 500 wins
- 7 championships
- Some of the safety innovations over the years can be directly attributed to Petty
- His ever present black cowboy hat and dark glasses
- His big ever present smile
- Hell, there's even a car color named after him (Petty Blue.)

Busch has:
- A bunch of wins (yes, impressive)
- A penchant for stomping off like an 8 year old when he doesn't get his way

So no, Busch will never, ever be equated to the King of NASCAR.
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And the King saw no need to run in every series he could just to stroke his ego. I recall him running Winston West and Iroc, I don't recall him running Sportsman or USAC. I hope KP sticks up for his Dad cause Busch is an arrogant ---- fill in the blank that will never have Petty's impact.
 


This is the Kyle I enjoy. He's honestly a funny dude.

And tbh, I think this is closer to his real personality than anything.

Jimmie - "What'd you say you did yesterda-"

Kyle - "I don, WHAAT"... "Iforget"
 
Robert J Sublett said:
And the King saw no need to run in every series he could just to stroke his ego. I recall him running Winston West and Iroc, I don't recall him running Sportsman or USAC. I hope KP sticks up for his Dad cause Busch is an arrogant ---- fill in the blank that will never have Petty's impact.
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What has Kyle Busch done to Richard that Kyle Petty would have to stick up to him for? Win races? Kyle has already made an impact on the sport, had not been for Kyle then these limits on Cup drivers might not have been made. No one is taking anything away from Petty just because Kyle is getting close to 200. People can compare their wins, which both have won their fair share of unfair races is probably the best way to put it. Petty will still be the King, Kyle Busch will simply be Kyle Busch.
 
Simple Fan said:
Funny you dog drivers for their maturity and then use a teenage girl comeback yourself. I know its hard to dispute facts though.
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All class sucker punch at arguably the frailist driver in Nascar. Another Samantha didnt stop the bowel movement in time moment.
He deserved the asphalt or cement he ate afterwards.
Call it hate, I call it fact.
Relevant because Petty was better for Nascar. He just didnt know how to be that stupid.

And Kyles mental mindset is why such raw talent can not match the accomplishments of Petty, Earnhardt, Pearson, Jeff Gordon, Darrell Waltrip, Bobby Allison, Cale Yarbrough, and Tony Stewart.
It is also why a crew cheif told him to park the car and take his whiny ass home (paraphrased from memory).

And his inferrior emotional IQ, is why raw talent is the best description for him. Rather than focusing on real accomplishments in the cup series. A what could have been is part of the gig.


 
Simple Fan said:
What has Kyle Busch done to Richard that Kyle Petty would have to stick up to him for? Win races? Kyle has already made an impact on the sport, had not been for Kyle then these limits on Cup drivers might not have been made. No one is taking anything away from Petty just because Kyle is getting close to 200. People can compare their wins, which both have won their fair share of unfair races is probably the best way to put it. Petty will still be the King, Kyle Busch will simply be Kyle Busch.
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Some people believe that the influx of cup drivers in trucks and X caused fans to stop following both series. I am not blaming Kyle for starting this but he certainly has exacerbated it.

For the record I have no complaints about cuppers in the minors seeing I have not followed the minor leagues for years. I never will understand the logic of combining Kyle's wins or comparing him to Jimmie and I don't understand why everyone doesn't make a clear delineation between his victories across different series. Also IDK why JJ's record in X has any bearing in any discussions as he is a cup driver.

One thing I am not going to do is argue about it as it is folly and if Kyle's fans want to combine wins and do other unconventional things I am good.
 
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