LibertyU24
Team Owner
Maybe they should go drink their Bud Light and let things be for awhile.
I HATE the Gen 7 car. HATE IT! HATE IT! HATE IT! DON"T WANT IT!i started this thread mainly to talk about making each car a little different to help the racing. and most everyone.is still stuck on making changes, horse power, different tires ,dates of races,all of these still just make all the cars the same, it just like a pony ride.
Dalara. Only chassis now. Although haven't researched exactly what they consider chassis. I consider steel tubing, in NASCAR builds, as chassis. Suspension is suspension. Etc, Etc.How many "chassis builders" in IndyCar now? I really don't know. Talking about primarily the tub. cause...you will see as i go.
This. I have literally never seen a bad race either on TV or in person. I don't even look for a good race because each one is different & it is what it is. I'd rather go back to Fontana and relive the hell of watching KB win his first with Poor Ricky than not watch at all. I don't think the internet is to blame. It only gives a forum for what has been there all along--we are just aware of it now....and I agree, I don't see many pissed off people on TV or at the track. Something is absolutely right, and by chasing the elusive "great racing" we are passively ****ting on what we have....and I am just fine with what we have.I never encountered so many racing whiney asses until I started posted here. The internet is to blame for that. It looks like from the crowd pics that a lot of fans are doing the same thing I used to do.
this is well said. The internet just gives a voice to those who are pissed off and those who are enjoying the product, well are too busy enjoying what they see at the track or on tv to log on and air grievances over said product. While I myself prefer some facets of the way things used to be ( Full season points system, teams building their own cars and parts, Winston as a series sponsor, Saturday night races, no stages, TV Presentation, the video games, less road courses) the way things are now are pretty damn cool too. The young talent ascending in Cup is probably the best I've seen as a fan, I mean this weekly field is stacked. Teams are better across the board now than before and that goes along with the stacked field, legit you have about 15 or 16 drivers a week that can win and I myself wouldnt be surprised if they did. The racing also is pretty good, but I feel thats always been the case because the racing part interests me and keeps me entertained enough, like I need my weekly fix of this mayhem. Road Course, Super Speedway, Short Track, you name it I need it. I also see it from the other point of view too, alot of yesteryear NASCAR was pretty damn cool....I miss that in my own way and sometimes very often...... the Winston Cup Series was pretty bad ass in its own right. But I'd hate to miss what is happening now because I was focused on the past, some of the present deserves our attention.This. I have literally never seen a bad race either on TV or in person. I don't even look for a good race because each one is different & it is what it is. I'd rather go back to Fontana and relive the hell of watching KB win his first with Poor Ricky than not watch at all. I don't think the internet is to blame. It only gives a forum for what has been there all along--we are just aware of it now....and I agree, I don't see many pissed off people on TV or at the track. Something is absolutely right, and by chasing the elusive "great racing" we are passively ****ting on what we have....and I am just fine with what we have.
wow.oh my god i messed up so many spellings on this.like tires. oh wellit think indy car gets away with spec parts, because alot my things are more open,like wing and wicker bill adjustments, 2 different ties, push to pass and there thing, well nascar has windshield wipers.
easy. i just turned 504 dog years and iam starting to feel it.The thread title had the part 'to dumb' . Irony, or nitpicking..?
If we're going to be making posts about the sanctioning body being "dumb", can we at least make sure we know the difference between "to, and "too"?they can spend millions of dollars on changes but as long has they keep making changes to all the cars and showing all the teams the other teams data. well guess what,all the cars will go the same speed.boring.right?
so nascar should open up some of the rules a little. like letting teams adjust the front and rear spoiler a few degrees. maybe offer a few different final drives.anything to make the cars a little different.
STOP letting other team look a your data.who it the hell thought this was a good idea?????
STOP the dumbass stage stops. so everyone will stop a different times.and they dont know when the caution flags are coming.
OK lets see how this goes before it turns in a sh-t show.i give it 5 to 10 posts tops.
This is how we end up with half a dozen road courses.An example of the incongruence with NASCAR and the fans is Chase Elliott. Nascar hears Elliott fans making the most noise at the track, just like Dale Jr fans. They then assume THATS what the fans want.
Nascar doesn't realize that the loudest fans (online and in person) are the fans who are the minority, and generally out of touch with the nuances of the sport.
These fans care more about ideas than racing.
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Well, low expectations are a self fulfilling prophecy. Much like fast food, when people just accept a mediocre product, that's all they will ever get. There has always has been and there always WILL be bad races. It's all about making them the exception rather than the rule.This. I have literally never seen a bad race either on TV or in person. I don't even look for a good race because each one is different & it is what it is. I'd rather go back to Fontana and relive the hell of watching KB win his first with Poor Ricky than not watch at all. I don't think the internet is to blame. It only gives a forum for what has been there all along--we are just aware of it now....and I agree, I don't see many pissed off people on TV or at the track. Something is absolutely right, and by chasing the elusive "great racing" we are passively ****ting on what we have....and I am just fine with what we have.
I have absolutely NO problem with that, my only issue is some of the venue choices. The choice needs to be those venues that offer the best experience and compliment the attributes ( or lack of) of the Cup cars, not just for business expediency. If the racing action on the track is not the PRIMARY reason people are showing up, then something is VERY wrong.This is how we end up with half a dozen road courses.
I do think more than 2 road courses is a good thing, nascar just went too far. 3-4 would be the proper numberThis is how we end up with half a dozen road courses.
BS. The COVID shutdown should have taught us that the only bad race is the once that was cancelled. Period. If you think you saw a bad race, you aren't paying attention closely enough.There has always has been and there always WILL be bad races.
If you are looking hard enough I think you can find one. One I remember was Truex leading every lap at Charlotte. But I'm sure there were people that thought that was one of the best races there was. Depends on your perspective. I think some seldom see a race they like from their constant complaints.BS. The COVID shutdown should have taught us that the only bad race is the once that was cancelled. Period. If you think you saw a bad race, you aren't paying attention closely enough.
Go find a recording of the 1999 Michigan race where Dale Jarrett beat Jeff Gordon by 30 seconds, and Jeff beat the rest of the field by another 30. There was absolutely NOTHING happening that entire race. I spent the last 50 laps looking at my stopwatch trying to see if Jeff could cut the margin down to 29 seconds. Quite possibly the most boring race in NASCAR history. Even the Jarrett fans sitting near us couldn't wait for it to be over.BS. The COVID shutdown should have taught us that the only bad race is the once that was cancelled. Period. If you think you saw a bad race, you aren't paying attention closely enough.
Go find a recording of the 1999 Michigan race where Dale Jarrett beat Jeff Gordon by 30 seconds, and Jeff beat the rest of the field by another 30. There was absolutely NOTHING happening that entire race. I spent the last 50 laps looking at my stopwatch trying to see if Jeff could cut the margin down to 29 seconds. Quite possibly the most boring race in NASCAR history. Even the Jarrett fans sitting near us couldn't wait for it to be over.
It was bad enough in my opinion that I never paid to see another race at MIS. Worked a bunch, got to see a few for free, but never paid for a ticket there since.I thought it was a good race. Gordon was 4-5 seconds back with 20 to go and started chipping away at the lead, I think he got within a second by the end. Jarrett had the car to beat that day for sure. Tracks like Michigan will always be hit or miss no matter what decade, no matter what car, no matter what HP/aero package. Especially when there are no cautions all day.
IMO, the only "bad" races are the ones cut short by rain, or something dumb like running restrictor plates at Loudon. It's unrealistic to expect every race to be a barnburner.
It was bad enough in my opinion that I never paid to see another race at MIS. Worked a bunch, got to see a few for free, but never paid for a ticket there since.
the new car had a banger of a race last year at MIS.It was bad enough in my opinion that I never paid to see another race at MIS. Worked a bunch, got to see a few for free, but never paid for a ticket there since.
I guess the law of averages would say it HAS to be good somewhere, because it sucks onsuperspeedways, short tracks, one miles and isn't that spectacular on road courses.the new car had a banger of a race last year at MIS.
I don't know about this.....If racing was the primary reason for people showing up...How many do you think would show up? I am asking that honestly without snark. How many true racing fans are left? Those who appreciate the cars and crews as much as they appreciate the drivers? Who love the sound and smell? NASCAR is trying to reinvent itself. There is resistance to downsizing, and to offset that inevitably, they are trying to fill the hole with an "experience." Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, but how realistic are we being?I have absolutely NO problem with that, my only issue is some of the venue choices. The choice needs to be those venues that offer the best experience and compliment the attributes ( or lack of) of the Cup cars, not just for business expediency. If the racing action on the track is not the PRIMARY reason people are showing up, then something is VERY wrong.
I don't mind standalone road courses, but I really do not enjoy "Rovals" at all. They (the tracks themselves) just seem kind of sterile and lacking personality when watching on TV.I have absolutely NO problem with that, my only issue is some of the venue choices. The choice needs to be those venues that offer the best experience and compliment the attributes ( or lack of) of the Cup cars, not just for business expediency. If the racing action on the track is not the PRIMARY reason people are showing up, then something is VERY wrong.
I don't know about this.....If racing was the primary reason for people showing up...How many do you think would show up? I am asking that honestly without snark. How many true racing fans are left? Those who appreciate the cars and crews as much as they appreciate the drivers? Who love the sound and smell? NASCAR is trying to reinvent itself. There is resistance to downsizing, and to offset that inevitably, they are trying to fill the hole with an "experience." Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, but how realistic are we being?
Well which is it?Maybe if NASCAR was offering a better product, people would want to show up JUST for the racing again, regardless of whether there was a concert or God knows what else. I'm not against doing things that enhance the overall fan experience and making people feel like they got a bigger bang for their buck, but I want people to show up because of the RACE. Everything else is just icing on the cake. That's been the biggest burr up my ass about street course racing. Nobody really even pretends it's about the racing, and even IF they are commercially successful, it just saddens me that the party is a bigger deal than the race, and I think it's ultimately a dead end for the sport. Why not just skip the race and have street parties?
Maybe racing isn't a thing anymore.Maybe if NASCAR was offering a better product, people would want to show up JUST for the racing again, regardless of whether there was a concert or God knows what else. I'm not against doing things that enhance the overall fan experience and making people feel like they got a bigger bang for their buck, but I want people to show up because of the RACE. Everything else is just icing on the cake. That's been the biggest burr up my ass about street course racing. Nobody really even pretends it's about the racing, and even IF they are commercially successful, it just saddens me that the party is a bigger deal than the race, and I think it's ultimately a dead end for the sport. Why not just skip the race and have street parties?
How does it help the series that puts money in these guys' pockets to **** talk the competition? Come watch this....it sucks. SMDH.