NASCAR announces 2019 MENCS rules

Charlie Spencer said:
We mean an 'interview' with no documentation verifying that it actually happened, no proof it wasn't made up completely from scratch like Granny's biscuits.
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StandOnIt said:
DUN24 found the Johson quote, it was buried in another article. Reddit didn't post a link and neither did ChexOr Wrex.
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I withdraw the comment.
 
all could have been avoided with a link. ;) Of course I am watching the cup cars run thru the corners at Texas, they lift a little bit on the end they knocked the banking down, full throttle the rest of the time.
 
StandOnIt said:
all could have been avoided with a link. ;) Of course I am watching the cup cars run thru the corners at Texas, they lift a little bit on the end they knocked the banking down, full throttle the rest of the time.
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Yeah they wont be doing that on Sunday. They will be doing alot of that throughout next season though.....
 
I bet they will, with the new repave it looks like a one laner to me. We will find out pretty quick with the trucks. If anything can race besides the one lane groove the trucks can.
 


Guys, guys, guys. The new package may indeed be balls, but if one thing is for certain, it's that nothing stays the same for long. This is the same sanctioning body that swore upon the wisdom of lower downforce until the day they didn't, and then flipped 180 degrees. Two or three years from now, if not sooner, another shiny new fix will be on the horizon.
 
gnomesayin said:


Guys, guys, guys. The new package may indeed be balls, but if one thing is for certain, it's that nothing stays the same for long. This is the same sanctioning body that swore upon the wisdom of lower downforce until the day they didn't, and then flipped 180 degrees. Two or three years from now, if not sooner, another shiny new fix will be on the horizon.
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Yeah, that's more drama queen than I knew Kez had in him. Geez, we haven't seen a stock car top 205 in decades but that by itself hasn't damaged the sport. I don't like the implications of the Johnson quote but the people who mandated the 2019 package can change it yet again.
 
gnomesayin said:


Guys, guys, guys. The new package may indeed be balls, but if one thing is for certain, it's that nothing stays the same for long. This is the same sanctioning body that swore upon the wisdom of lower downforce until the day they didn't, and then flipped 180 degrees. Two or three years from now, if not sooner, another shiny new fix will be on the horizon.
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look at Indy Car the last five years, package this, package that, hardly none of em stay the same, now they are talking 900 HP or some sheet in a couple years. It isn't worth blowing a gasket over. Nascar just got thru turning the trucks up for the last 4 races. they were slapping the walls left and right at the race in Texas. Doesn't make a bit of sense, they just did it..Got to admit, it made the race fun to watch though.
 
gnomesayin said:


Guys, guys, guys. The new package may indeed be balls, but if one thing is for certain, it's that nothing stays the same for long. This is the same sanctioning body that swore upon the wisdom of lower downforce until the day they didn't, and then flipped 180 degrees. Two or three years from now, if not sooner, another shiny new fix will be on the horizon.
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Brad knows how to he a diva and be a politician at the same time lmao. The JJ quote made me super nervous about what we are going to see next year, he’s usually about even keel as they come. Still not going to jump off a ledge but iam scouting ledges to jump off of, I really am bracing that come Atlanta this is going to be a spectacle and not in a good way.
 
gnomesayin said:
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Brad, I'm very glad you nabbed that Southern 500 under low downforce rules, and the Brickyard also . I've posted here enough times about why I love low downforce skill-based racing. I'm not going to bore the forum by repeating it again. I know what I expect from these rule changes, but I'm done posting about it. I'm going to check it out when 2019 actually arrives. I agree with Gnomesayin that it could change again at some point.

As @Charlie Spencer noted a few days ago, I have other racing alternatives besides Nascar. When 2019 arrives, it will be tempting to compare the racing to Nascar's truly great racing in 2017-18. But that's not really an actionable comparison. So I'll compare 2019 Nascar versus other 2019 racing series... F1, MotoGP, WoO and PA Posse sprint cars, etc. I mean, c'mon man, it's not like F1 and IndyCar are suddenly going to eschew aero racing and magically begin to exhibit hard-nosed head-to-head racing action... I'd love to see that, but don't expect it.
 
Ford has to be livid about the rule changes. Suck it. Feel my 2018 pain.
 
StandOnIt said:
Here I will let you guys stone Blaney for awhile :D

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Being though it is *crickets* around here when a driver doesn't say what many want to hear, I'll take a shot at translation. It isn't wide open flat footed pack racing as Blaney sees it. Cars will be hard to drive that many are concerned about. Sounds to me like Blaney said that when a car is going away, or a driver wants to search for a different faster line, a driver will be able to do so. That sounds like they were racing multiple lanes (like the clip showed) on a historically slippery one lane track.
 
StandOnIt said:
Being though it is *crickets* around here when a driver doesn't say what many want to hear, I'll take a shot at translation. It isn't wide open flat footed pack racing as Blaney sees it. Cars will be hard to drive that many are concerned about. Sounds to me like Blaney said that when a car is going away, or a driver wants to search for a different faster line, a driver will be able to do so. That sounds like they were racing multiple lanes (like the clip showed) on a historically slippery one lane track.
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We already discussed the difference between these cars at Atlanta and the vast majority of other intermediate tracks.
 
StandOnIt said:
look at Indy Car the last five years, package this, package that, hardly none of em stay the same, now they are talking 900 HP or some sheet in a couple years. It isn't worth blowing a gasket over. Nascar just got thru turning the trucks up for the last 4 races. they were slapping the walls left and right at the race in Texas. Doesn't make a bit of sense, they just did it..Got to admit, it made the race fun to watch though.
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The IndyCar OEM aero kit did last 3 years, which is about 3 years longer than it should have. In NASCAR's case, O'Donnell was also very forthright with the idea that this was the direction of the future and in part is being used to entice manufacturers to enter with less expensive engine development.
 
LewTheShoe said:
I mean, c'mon man, it's not like F1 and IndyCar are suddenly going to eschew aero racing and magically begin to exhibit hard-nosed head-to-head racing action... I'd love to see that, but don't expect it.
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However you feel about IndyCar, I don't think that's a very apt comparison. One has many magnitudes more action than the other, especially this year.
 
After watching the Texas race, It was a welcome sight to see cars being able to pass at Charlotte and Atlanta with the new package. It's like a guy who has been crawling in the desert for many days and can see an oasis ahead. :D

 
StandOnIt said:
After watching the Texas race, It was a welcome sight to see cars being able to pass at Charlotte and Atlanta with the new package. It's like a guy who has been crawling in the desert for many days and can see an oasis ahead. :D

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Because there was no passing at Atlanta before? Give me a break.
 
I'd be fine with this package at Daytona, Talladega, Kentucky, Texas, Charlotte, Pocono and Indy. Outside of that, I don't see the need.
 
I'm not that concerned about speeds myself. I want to see more races like the trucks and xfinity who can have close racing on the majority of the tracks and don't have the majority of the race being follow the leader. I think the sweet spot for all three series on the larger tracks are racing speeds that average of 175 - upper 180's. Over history no matter what version of car they had, when they went faster than that, the aero speed and technology screws them. I believe some of the tracks that are pretty decent for cup cars will only get even better and more raceable. I want to see drivers who are the most aggressive rewarded, who have more of a chance against drivers with the best science projects. I doubt that will happen, but ya never know.
 
StandOnIt said:
After watching the Texas race, It was a welcome sight to see cars being able to pass at Charlotte and Atlanta with the new package. It's like a guy who has been crawling in the desert for many days and can see an oasis ahead. :D
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I think Chase Elliott agrees with you. I mean, he didn't mention the part about the oasis, but still...
 
LewTheShoe said:
I think Chase Elliott agrees with you. I mean, he didn't mention the part about the oasis, but still...
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boy they were flying though, besides the points that was about all the gerbils talked about, that and the air and how hard it was to pass.;) Anybody see Harvick's incar, laid back out front driving with one hand? :p
 
StandOnIt said:
boy they were flying though, besides the points that was about all the gerbils talked about, that and the air and how hard it was to pass.;)
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The other option for young Mr. Elliott would be to put on his big boy pants, get up on the wheel, and f---ing deal with it. That would be the "entertainment factor" that would ring my bell.
 
LewTheShoe said:
The other option for young Mr. Elliott would be to put on his big boy pants, get up on the wheel, and f---ing deal with it. That would be the "entertainment factor" that would ring my bell.
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Mr. Elliott plays it to the crowd IMO. Can't blame the car, which was a dumpster since they unloaded, so blame the track, many people will. Ironic that the Xfinity cars and the trucks raced all over it and the track was greener.
 
More self-loathing from NASCAR as Steve-O uses a track repaved and reconfigured a year ago to justify the 2019 package. Yes, a NASCAR executive stops just shy of calling the current intermediate racing boring and dull.

“I don’t want to take away from anything Kevin Harvick did,” O’Donnell told the media after Sunday’s race. “Having said that, I think we would all agree on the race entertainment quality between Friday, Saturday and Sunday, there’s a difference. I think we also know that we’ve got a new rules package in place next year that again some of you have not too been too positive about but there’s a reason we’ve got to that, and I think this would be one of the reasons.
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https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2018/11/05/racing-at-texas-motor-speedway-leaves-some-frustrated/
 
FLRacingFan said:
More self-loathing from NASCAR as Steve-O uses a track repaved and reconfigured a year ago to justify the 2019 package. Yes, a NASCAR executive stops just shy of calling the current intermediate racing boring and dull.



https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2018/11/05/racing-at-texas-motor-speedway-leaves-some-frustrated/
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I wouldn't forget that passing in the pack and passing period has been at historic lows. I figured somebody would try to blame it on the repave, but the other two races didn't have a problem with the track. BTW post 631 above has everything in video voice form. He says something more significantly fundamental that the laws of physics apply too. The faster you go the smaller the racing groove gets.
 
LewTheShoe said:
The other option for young Mr. Elliott would be to put on his big boy pants, get up on the wheel, and f---ing deal with it. That would be the "entertainment factor" that would ring my bell.
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He overachieved yesterday with a 6th. He f---king dealt with it well.

Just because his car was a **** box doesn't mean his opinion of the race is invalid.

FLRacingFan said:
More self-loathing from NASCAR as Steve-O uses a track repaved and reconfigured a year ago to justify the 2019 package. Yes, a NASCAR executive stops just shy of calling the current intermediate racing boring and dull.



https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2018/11/05/racing-at-texas-motor-speedway-leaves-some-frustrated/
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These assholes are begging for snoozers to promote their package next year. Pretty sad. Can't wait to watch the same race at 175mph pinned in a straight line all day next year.
 
DUN24 said:
He overachieved yesterday with a 6th. He f---king dealt with it well.

Just because his car was a sh!t box doesn't mean his opinion of the race is invalid.



These assholes are begging for snoozers to promote their package next year. Pretty sad. Can't wait to watch the same race at 175mph pinned in a straight line all day next year.
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LOL I was gonna say, he finished 6th with a car that was buried on the speed chart all weekend, he must've gotten up on the wheel pretty good.

I'd bet that every single one of those guys in the field was thinking exactly what he happened to say, and that includes the winner.

Texas used to be near the top of my list of places I wanted to go for a race, but after yesterday it's firmly at the bottom.
 
misery loves company it seems. Can't wait for next year, glad I watched the other two series race at a snails pace all over the track. :p
 
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