NASCAR announces 2019 MENCS rules

Formerjackman said:
Long overdue in my opinion. I have NEVER understood the value of promoting yourself DURING one of your own events. It's one thing to have a spot telling people when the next race is, but if you're already watching the race, the product SHOULD be able sell itself. Feel good promotional commercials should be targeted towards people who AREN'T watching. I don't pretend to know how ANY of these initiatives will turn out, but NASCAR seems to be trying to right more wrongs in less time than at any time in my 40 years of following it.
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It's a waste of time in two ways. It's commercial time that could be sold to someone else and generate profit for the network and NASCAR. Contrarily, if you're not going to sell the time to someone else for profit, fans watching would rather the time was used to cover the race that's going on and not pep rally ads.
 
Teams have always pushed the envelop for ways to get around the rules for an advantage. The penalties have been a cost of doing business. Now the penalty is more severe and it just might get teams to play by the rules. I didn't notice if disqualification means no points for the race or just the win taken away.
 
Spotter22 said:
What about Elliott, Gustafson? Larson, Johnston? Why single Childers and Harvick out?
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Something about forging a serial number and NASCAR stamp if what Brade Gille on NASCAR Radio has said is accurate. Something about the constant "no performance advantage" coming from Rodney, and Harvick's insistence that he wants Rodney to keep doing what he did. Something about action detrimental to stock car racing. Something about being bigger than the sport when your Crew Chief gets tossed, and you couldn't give a **** about why. So, in short, perception. Didn't see that posturing from the others you mentioned.
 
Zerkfitting said:
Teams have always pushed the envelop for ways to get around the rules for an advantage. The penalties have been a cost of doing business. Now the penalty is more severe and it just might get teams to play by the rules. I didn't notice if disqualification means no points for the race or just the win taken away.
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Its like they werent even there.
 
Revman said:
Something about forging a serial number and NASCAR stamp if what Brade Gille on NASCAR Radio has said is accurate. Something about the constant "no performance advantage" coming from Rodney, and Harvick's insistence that he wants Rodney to keep doing what he did. Something about action detrimental to stock car racing. Something about being bigger than the sport when your Crew Chief gets tossed, and you couldn't give a sh!t about why. So, in short, perception. Didn't see that posturing from the others you mentioned.
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What does "posturing" have to do with breaking the rules?
 
Spotter22 said:
I dont know what this means.
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Harvick has a big stage with his show. He used it to thumb his nose at the sanctioning body. I would have liked to have seen the sanctioning body respond, but it didn't to my knowledge. He should have been hit where it hurts IMO. Not a good look when a driver loses his Crew Chief over such a serious issue, and couldn't give a **** IMO.
 
Revman said:
Harvick has a big stage with his show. He used it to thumb his nose at the sanctioning body. I would have liked to have seen the sanctioning body respond, but it didn't to my knowledge. He should have been hit where it hurts IMO. Not a good look when a driver loses his Crew Chief over such a serious issue, and couldn't give a sh!t IMO.
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Thumbed his nose? All he said is he wants his crew chief grinding every week and finding an advantage.
 
"“It better not be the last time that he gets suspended because I just don’t think you are pushing it hard enough if you’re not,” Harvick said Tuesday night during his “Happy Hours” show on SiriusXM’s NASCAR channel."

Final Straw.
It had to be done.
Thank you NASCAR.
 
Ventisca said:
"“It better not be the last time that he gets suspended because I just don’t think you are pushing it hard enough if you’re not,” Harvick said Tuesday night during his “Happy Hours” show on SiriusXM’s NASCAR channel."

It had to be done.
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I want my crew chief taking it to the edge.
 
Am I the only one that finds it odd that they do this 2 weeks before the season? I wonder if there is a reason for that.
 
Spotter22 said:
I want my crew chief taking it to the edge.
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Hence the NASCAR Rule Change to increase the penalty.

Garage culture on cheating became to open, and with Yap-Yap running his mouth -- NASCAR finally understood that slaps on the wrist are tantamount to tacit approval. Now with heavy penalties, NASCAR is pursuing a more likely path to professional integrity within the garage.
 
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Spotter22 said:
I want my crew chief taking it to the edge.
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The edge is the line you don't cross. In the mean time make all the legal stuff the very best you can, pit crew does the best job they can, and then spend a lot of time working out the "ifs" ahead of time so your not making mistakes. You may not win the race but there is no shame being a top 5 car each and every race. If you can get 2-5 wins a season and the rest top 5's your close to being a champion. Especially if they get rid of that "1 win your the champ at Homestead" even though your only a 4th place car. :director:
 
Team Penske said:
The edge is the line you don't cross. In the mean time make all the legal stuff the very best you can, pit crew does the best job they can, and then spend a lot of time working out the "ifs" ahead of time so your not making mistakes. You may not win the race but there is no shame being a top 5 car each and every race. If you can get 2-5 wins a season and the rest top 5's your close to being a champion. Especially if they get rid of that "1 win your the champ at Homestead" even though your only a 4th place car. :director:
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Thats right, last year crossing the line didnt hurt like it will now, but you will go to the limit which is what you expect the CC to do.
 
AdoubleU24 said:
Am I the only one that finds it odd that they do this 2 weeks before the season? I wonder if there is a reason for that.
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I gather from Rick Hendrick’s comments a couple of weeks ago things were wrapped up then. NASCAR may not have wanted to release the info during NFL playoff time. As it is I have not seen any news of the announcements in the MSM
 
Kevin Harvick says key NASCAR change might be one many are overlooking

Harvick said such a change will help NASCAR try to keep up with teams.

“What happens in today’s world in every practice, somebody has got a group of pictures that come from every car throughout practice,” he said. “Everybody has got people back in the shop watching videos and analyzing them and listening to radios. So as soon as the teams find a weakness that NASCAR is doing, they exploit it pretty quickly. The teams are very good at analyzing things and sometimes much quicker than NASCAR is at figuring things out because there are just so many more of us.

“I like the fact that there are specific officials for each garage because each garage is different. I think a lot of times there were just so much going on for the guys and the gals in the garage inspecting the cars, that they just got worn out. There were so many things that were going on. In order to keep it under control, you have to keep it under control from the first week. You have to be able to police the things you did the first week on the 25th week and not have those trends keep growing.”

“We chose as a group to not have tires blow out,” Harvick told NBC Sports. “There were a couple of races where we didn’t do burnouts at all. Really that was out of respect to NASCAR asking just to help deliver a better message by not having everything blown out of the back of the car so they could inspect it.”

https://nascar.nbcsports.com/2019/0...car-change-might-be-one-many-are-overlooking/
 
Another good sign, the teams were giving Nascar a good ass whoopin about cheated up cars, and Nascar is doing something about it. I guarantee, it would have gone on with the Brian in charge.
 
Revman said:
I didn't think that there was anything that could keep me from the track until now. You take me to the high of a Kyle Busch win, and I find out in the parking lot that he has been stripped of it, I am not sure I come back. I have been there. You take me to that high, and throw me off of the cliff, I don't see how I'm not done. Wow. Just wow. I am not threatening anything. Statement of fact in regard to how I feel. It is my sincere hope that the MY TRD powered Toyota Camrys are built with 6 inches of tolerance. I'd rather be slow (I have survived that) than DQ'ed.
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How is this any different from a car that fails to meet the cursory post-race inspection they have now? If you were still in the stands when the announcement was made, would you feel any different than if you were sitting in the car waiting to get out of the lot?

STICK AND BALL ALERT - I gave this a little thought ('cause that's about all I'm capable of) and came to think of this in terms of other sports. It's not uncommon for a player suspension to be announced a day or two after an offense. I don't think that keeps people from showing up, especially if they already have tickets.

Would you feel the same way if another driver besides Shrub was penalized like this? It's not a problem if you wouldn't; nothing wrong with being a fan of an individual driver. But sooner or later, he's going to quit racing. Whether by penalty or retirement, NASCAR's going to lose you anyway.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
How is this any different from a car that fails to meet the cursory post-race inspection they have now? If you were still in the stands when the announcement was made, would you feel any different than if you were sitting in the car waiting to get out of the lot?

STICK AND BALL ALERT - I gave this a little thought ('cause that's about all I'm capable of) and came to think of this in terms of other sports. It's not uncommon for a player suspension to be announced a day or two after an offense. I don't think that keeps people from showing up, especially if they already have tickets.

Would you feel the same way if another driver besides Shrub was penalized like this? It's not a problem if you wouldn't; nothing wrong with being a fan of an individual driver. But sooner or later, he's going to quit racing. Whether by penalty or retirement, NASCAR's going to lose you anyway.
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I can speak for hockey and football and say that something that didn’t get called a penalty in a game can be subject to supplementary discipline later on.

The teams are in control as they can race a car within Nascar specs and not worry about anything or roll the dice. Personally I think it would be worth it for some of the lesser teams to cheat as they could probably get away with it from time to time.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
If you're pushing it, two weeks should be enough time to ease off. If you're not pushing right up to the line, then it doesn't matter when they announce it.
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Yeah. I guess I'm just comparing it to the baseball winter meetings or the NFL owners meetings. They're usually months before the season starts.
 
IanMcVittie said:
I can speak for hockey and football and say that something that didn’t get called a penalty in a game can be subject to supplementary discipline later on.

The teams are in control as they can race a car within Nascar specs and not worry about anything or roll the dice. Personally I think it would be worth it for some of the lesser teams to cheat as they could probably get away with it from time to time.
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They also have a random draw to tear down, you wanna take that chance as a small team?
 
IanMcVittie said:
If I was in charge I would not but someone may think it is worth the risk.
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Well if you generally run between 30th and 38th and pull off a 20th place run with out a rain delay or a fuel mileage gamble you are probably going to tear down.
 
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