NASCAR considering radical changes to playoff system

FLRacingFan said:
I found a few things particularly funny:

- Casey Mears makes multiple Chases, finishes as high as 6th
- David Ragan makes multiple Chases, finishes as high as 7th
- David Reutimann makes multiple Chases, finishes as high as 10th
- Regan Smith finishes 11th in 2011
- Jamie McMurray makes the Final Four once
- Brad Keselowski wins once at Talladega in 2009 and makes the Chase despite starting only 9 out of 26 regular season races
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Very NFL. Like a 1-15 team going to the Super Bowl the following year.

McMurray in contention going into Homestead? If it was legitimate I would love it.

Someone needs to show those tables to the nascar higher-ups. They'd be truly stupid to not see what's wrong with the picture
 
The ultimate cosmic joke: 3 of the 4 championship contenders at Homestead get taken out in a wreck on Lap 2, and the remaining driver goes on to dominate the race.
 
The driver with the longest fingernails at the end of the season wins the cup. Think of the excitement
 
They may not let drivers who don't race full time in the chase... Im wondering about all the smaller rules that come along with this.. like that one... and how they'll go about dealing with that stuff..
 
Sure, anything could happen. When was the last time that a driver won a race in Cup that wasn't running full time?
 
SlicedBread22 said:
They may not let drivers who don't race full time in the chase... Im wondering about all the smaller rules that come along with this.. like that one... and how they'll go about dealing with that stuff..
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I would assume that NW drivers that win Cup races would be disallowed. For example, I doubt Vickers would have gotten in last year or Trevor Bayne in 2011 since they declared for the NW title run. There may be a minimum points standing requirement, like the 20th in points the last three years. That should probably be extended to 25th considering there would now be 16 drivers in the Chase.
 
Go back to when the driver who attained the highest number of points throughout the season by winning or their average finish is the champ.
Originally that's how it was, the points rewarded consistency.
The chase was original dreamed up,a wet one by brain I bet, as the Nextel Cup, between nascar and Nextel. And Nextel paid nascar a ton of money. It was thought it would generate more interest during the NFL season. epic fail then and the fail continues to today.IMHO.
 
Bobw said:
It was thought it would generate more interest during the NFL season. epic fail then and the fail continues to today.IMHO.
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I'd think in today's world that people would be able to multitask err multiview. There's no problem in my house watching both the Steelers game and the race @ the same time. In fact, there was a time last fall where two of my Pittsburgh teams were playing at the same time as the race. I managed to get in all three without breaking a sweat. I have no problem with their coexistence.

I really don't think that they can be foolish enough to ever believe that they will compete with the NFL. I can see where they think this will grab some more attention with this proposed change but that is the best they can hope for at that time of the year. The NFL will always and forever rule. Brian France has to know this. Maybe that's giving him too much credit?
 
Smoke14 said:
Trevor Bayne???
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Bam! Got me. :oops:
 
I'm here to rescue dpkimmel's point.

Trevor Bayne didn't "declare" for Cup in 2011 and neither did Vickers in 2013. If the same rule was in place in 2009, Keselowski wouldn't have either. So none of those drivers would have been Chase eligible.

Tony Stewart - yeah, I wonder how NASCAR would deal with that. But that's also a rare instance. Sterling Marlin, Ernie Irvan and Davey Allison are the only other drivers I can think of right now off the top of my head that had their seasons cut short prematurely.

Jamie McMurray wouldn't have been eligible in 2002 because he was running Nationwide. And his win came in what would be considered the Chase now.

The last time a points eligible part-time Cup driver won a race that I can think of right now is Robby Gordon at Loudon in 2001 and that would also be rendered a moot point because his win came in the final race of the season.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I'm here to rescue dpkimmel's point.

Trevor Bayne didn't "declare" for Cup in 2011 and neither did Vickers in 2013. If the same rule was in place in 2009, Keselowski wouldn't have either. So none of those drivers would have been Chase eligible.

Tony Stewart - yeah, I wonder how NASCAR would deal with that. But that's also a rare instance. Sterling Marlin, Ernie Irvan and Davey Allison are the only other drivers I can think of right now off the top of my head that had their seasons cut short prematurely.

Jamie McMurray wouldn't have been eligible in 2002 because he was running Nationwide. And his win came in what would be considered the Chase now.

The last time a points eligible part-time Cup driver won a race that I can think of right now is Robby Gordon at Loudon in 2001 and that would also be rendered a moot point because his win came in the final race of the season.
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Daytona and Talladega alone can throw a wrench into this plan. Michael Waltrip came in 4th and 5th in two plate races last year and was earning Cup points; Mark Martin came in 3rd in the 500 and was earning Cup points.

Vickers was also earning Cup points back in 2012 and had three Top 5s in his six regular season starts.

Allmendinger came in 2nd at Martinsville I that same year before his suspension.

Also, NASCAR said after Bayne's 500 win that he would have the option of changing his mind and running for Cup points. Obviously he didn't, but I would have to think that if this plan were in place back then he would have taken it, since he would basically be guaranteed a Chase berth.
 
DSquad48 said:
The driver with the longest fingernails at the end of the season wins the cup. Think of the excitement
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Or, they could take the four remaining drivers at Homestead and put them on a stage. Then, have someone bring out a piece of merchandise to bid on. The driver that comes closest to the actual retail price without going over wins the championship.
 
ToyYoda said:
Or, they could take the four remaining drivers at Homestead and put them on a stage. Then, have someone bring out a piece of merchandise to bid on. The driver that comes closest to the actual retail price without going over wins the championship.
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Don't forget the big wheel to spin.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Daytona and Talladega alone can throw a wrench into this plan. Michael Waltrip came in 4th and 5th in two plate races last year and was earning Cup points; Mark Martin came in 3rd in the 500 and was earning Cup points.

Vickers was also earning Cup points back in 2012 and had three Top 5s in his six regular season starts.

Allmendinger came in 2nd at Martinsville I that same year before his suspension.

Also, NASCAR said after Bayne's 500 win that he would have the option of changing his mind and running for Cup points. Obviously he didn't, but I would have to think that if this plan were in place back then he would have taken it, since he would basically be guaranteed a Chase berth.
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But Waltrip, Vickers (2012), ,Martin and Allmendinger didn't win races. Regardless, who cares? I like the idea that a win automatically qualifies you for a Chase berth.

After Bayne's 500 win, NASCAR said he could declare for Cup but he wouldn't get his points from the Daytona 500. So a driver can't just win a race and then declare after the fact.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
But Waltrip, Vickers (2012), ,Martin and Allmendinger didn't win races. Regardless, who cares? I like the idea that a win automatically qualifies you for a Chase berth.

After Bayne's 500 win, NASCAR said he could declare for Cup but he wouldn't get his points from the Daytona 500. So a driver can't just win a race and then declare after the fact.
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They came close enough to where it should absolutely be a consideration. What is the point of having a driver who runs not even half of the season in the Chase?

They said the points wouldn't count but that the victory would.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Also, NASCAR said after Bayne's 500 win that he would have the option of changing his mind and running for Cup points. Obviously he didn't, but I would have to think that if this plan were in place back then he would have taken it, since he would basically be guaranteed a Chase berth.
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w/ this plan...full time sponsor would step up too prolly.....w/ guaranteed chase berth ?
 
Win a race and you're in the Chase. Yeah, I like it. I don't care about all the "ifs". Honestly, it's a travesty when the driver who wins the Daytona 500 ISN'T in the Chase (see: 2008, 2010, 2011*). Everyone had to know that NASCAR would change something after all the Richmond cluster****ery anyways. Yeah, Regan Smith would've made the Chase in 2011. Jamie McMurray, who won three races in 2010, would've made the Chase. Good.
 
FLRacingFan said:
They came close enough to where it should absolutely be a consideration. What is the point of having a driver who runs not even half of the season in the Chase?

They said the points wouldn't count but that the victory would.
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I never saw anything that his victory would've counted. Every thing I read then and now says his points from that race do not count. Brian Vickers' win did not count either. He didn't magically get a 14th seed or something because he had no points and wasn't eligible. He didn't get any points last year but he damn sure was eligible to lose 50 points.

IF some fluky thing were to happen and some driver were to pull out a fluke win somewhere and make the Chase, GOOD! It adds some spice to the Chase.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I never saw anything that his victory would've counted. Every thing I read then and now says his points from that race do not count. Brian Vickers' win did not count either. He didn't magically get a 14th seed or something because he had no points and wasn't eligible. He didn't get any points last year but he damn sure was eligible to lose 50 points.

IF some fluky thing were to happen and some driver were to pull out a fluke win somewhere and make the Chase, GOOD! It adds some spice to the Chase.
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Brain got to you also huh Andy.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Not a fan of the elimination system but I do like the idea of a race win securing a Chase berth. I'd rather see the Chase go away but that's never happening and I've come to peace with that sad reality.
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I haven't but I'm a hundred years older than you.
 
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