NASCAR considering radical changes to playoff system

FenderBumper said:
nascar isn't stick and ball, and the ratings prove it.

That's the problem as Brian see's it.

They still need to fix the car and tires, but I guess that's too hard for our leaders.
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The easiest way to improve the racing is through primarily the cars and secondarily the tracks - they're too inept regarding the former and too greedy regarding the latter. Instead they think changing the championship every three years will make the drivers drive 50x harder.
 
I get what you guys are saying.

What I'm saying is that NASCAR is no longer the sport you guys have come to know and love. It's turning into a stick and ball type format and there's nothing we can do about it. I prefer to embrace what I like about it and look forward to it. Every driver will have the same chance, and anyone could wreck out of the cup... so it's fair.

You guys may not like the comparisons I'm making.. but that doesn't mean they don't make sense... even Jeff Gordon was saying something like this... That in football hockey etc it comes down to one game and that he thinks it will be good or something like that... the video is in two thread around here somewhere.
 
FenderBumper said:
lol Seattle and Denver are playing for the championship. Tom Brady plays for the Patriots.
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Okay well... if Tom Brady happens to run out on the field like a lunatic for some reason and takes him out and hurts him... and they lose the game because of it... maybe someone on his team should have stopped Tom before he got to him lol :p But they would still lose the game right?
 
FLRacingFan said:
The easiest way to improve the racing is through primarily the cars and secondarily the tracks - they're too inept regarding the former and too greedy regarding the latter. Instead they think changing the championship every three years will make the drivers drive 50x harder.
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Changing the Chase to fix NASCAR's problems is like a fat guy battling his obesity by buying bigger shirts.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
I get what you guys are saying.

What I'm saying is that NASCAR is no longer the sport you guys have come to know and love. It's turning into a stick and ball type format and there's nothing we can do about it. I prefer to embrace what I like about it and look forward to it. Every driver will have the same chance, and anyone could wreck out of the cup... so it's fair.

You guys may not like the comparisons I'm making.. but that doesn't mean they don't make sense... even Jeff Gordon was saying something like this... That in football hockey etc it comes down to one game and that he thinks it will be good or something like that... the video is in two thread around here somewhere.
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In most sports - NBA, NHL, MLB - it actually goes down to a series.

As far as the Sprint Cup Championship goes...the College World Series was always a double-elimination format until CBS begged for a single-game championship, which they had for about fifteen years until everyone got sick of it and they went to a best-of-three series. So maybe there's hope yet.
 
Im not necessarily an advocate of the new system. I'm just a realist. I know that this will create exciting races. I know that there is nothing I can do to change it... and I know that I don't want to waste my time worrying about all this crap when I can just watch the damn races and enjoy it.
 
Its like in hockey when Im watching Dallas and Detroit. I go against Detroit because even though the Leafs aren't playing them.. I don't want Detroit getting that 2 points.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Are all the teams not on the same points system? They all play every week and when it comes to points they ARE going against every team.
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There is no point system - it's simple W-L record. Division champions and two wild cards per conference.
 
ToyYoda said:
NFL doesn't have the points system like hockey does, just based on wins and losses.
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Either way they still need to get more wins than the other teams. If your team is tied with another in the last week before playoffs... u want that other team to lose no? Even though your team isn't playing them?
 
FLRacingFan said:
The easiest way to improve the racing is through primarily the cars and secondarily the tracks - they're too inept regarding the former and too greedy regarding the latter. Instead they think changing the championship every three years will make the drivers drive 50x harder.
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Down force dependent cars and hard tires have changed the racing most, IMO. First came the CoT and guys started screaming 'don't touch me'.

Scratch full contact racing.

Tires kept blowing under that very fast and heavy car, so we got compounds that don't wear.

Scratch tire strategy excitement.

Cars became so aero, because nascar was hooked on new track records, they get upset easy.

Scratch close side by side racing.

nascar wanted to end the tandem, so they messed with cooling so much, the cars need 3 feet of clean air to stay cool.

Scratch pack racing too.

I think a pack of Monkeys would understand the sport better than Brian does.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Either way they still need to get more wins than the other teams. If your team is tied with another in the last week before playoffs... u want that other team to lose no? Even though your team isn't playing them?
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I'm a Tennessee Titans fan, I usually don't have to worry about the playoffs ;)
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Either way they still need to get more wins than the other teams. If your team is tied with another in the last week before playoffs... u want that other team to lose no? Even though your team isn't playing them?
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That doesn't mean they play every team in the league, not even in their own conference...if they did, it would be like the World Series before the expansion era when the AL best record simply played the NL best record.
 
FLRacingFan said:
That doesn't mean they play every team in the league, not even in their own conference...if they did, it would be like the World Series before the expansion era when the AL best record simply played the NL best record.
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Well either way... it doesn't make a difference... it comes to one game... and now in NASCAR it comes to one race. Regardless of how you look at it... it is what it is... and that final race is gonna be a good one.
 
FenderBumper said:
Down force dependent cars and hard tires have changed the racing most, IMO. First came the CoT and guys started screaming 'don't touch me'.

Scratch full contact racing.

Tires kept blowing under that very fast and heavy car, so we got compounds that don't wear.

Scratch tire strategy excitement.

Cars became so aero, because nascar was hooked on new track records, they get upset easy.

Scratch close side by side racing.

nascar wanted to end the tandem, so they messed with cooling so much, the cars need 3 feet of clean air to stay cool.

Scratch pack racing too.

I think a pack of Monkeys would understand the sport better than Brian does.
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The new qualifying procedure will make sure there are no track records broken in 2014 IMO
 
Actually...I guess I'm kind of happy that they are changing the rules all the time...it helps old coots like me keep their minds sharp by trying to keep up :D.

(I do kinda miss the tandem racing though - that was interesting while it lasted).
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Im not necessarily an advocate of the new system. I'm just a realist. I know that this will create exciting races. I know that there is nothing I can do to change it... and I know that I don't want to waste my time worrying about all this crap when I can just watch the damn races and enjoy it.
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What this will create is controversey, nothing else.
 
Kyle18fan said:
The new qualifying procedure will make sure there are no track records broken in 2014 IMO
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There will never be a new track record that's for sure... the guy who qualifies 25th will most likely have a faster q time than the pole sitter :confused:... but that just means Joey will always have the fastest speed on a q lap since 87 :D
 
you guys remind me of buddy of mine at local happy hour.
bitches bout wife........while watchin his watch whole time.
when his wifey approved "drinkin time" has expired.....boom ! ....he's gone !
home ta mama !
ring still on finger ! ha!
 
hawg dawg said:
you guys remind me of buddy of mine at local happy hour.
bitches bout wife........while watchin his watch whole time.
when his wifey approved "drinkin time" has expired.....boom ! ....he's gone !
home ta mama !
ring still on finger ! ha!
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Do you blame him for bitching about his wife or for looking at his watch?
 
SlicedBread22 said:
There will never be a new track record that's for sure... the guy who qualifies 25th will most likely have a faster q time than the pole sitter :confused:... but that just means Joey will always have the fastest speed on a q lap since 87 :D
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I am totally lost on the meaning of all that Sliced :rolleyes:
 
Kyle18fan said:
I am totally lost on the meaning of all that Sliced :rolleyes:
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"On another record-setting day at Michigan International Speedway, Joey Logano raced to one of the fastest qualifying speeds in NASCAR history.
Logano won the pole at 203.949 mph Friday in his No. 22 Ford, breaking the track record set by Marcos Ambrose last year. Ambrose's mark of 203.241 came on the first Sprint Cup weekend on a newly paved surface at MIS. His record lasted 14 months."

"Joey Logano raced to one of the fastest qualifying speeds in NASCAR history Friday, winning the pole at Michigan International Speedway at 203.949 mph.
Logano's speed was the ninth-highest by a NASCAR pole winner -- and the fastest since Bill Elliott set the record of 212.809 at Talladega on April 30, 1987."

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cu...-logano-sets-track-record-qualifying-michigan
 
FenderBumper said:
Down force dependent cars and hard tires have changed the racing most, IMO. First came the CoT and guys started screaming 'don't touch me'.

Scratch full contact racing.

Tires kept blowing under that very fast and heavy car, so we got compounds that don't wear.

Scratch tire strategy excitement.

Cars became so aero, because nascar was hooked on new track records, they get upset easy.

Scratch close side by side racing.

nascar wanted to end the tandem, so they messed with cooling so much, the cars need 3 feet of clean air to stay cool.

Scratch pack racing too.

I think a pack of Monkeys would understand the sport better than Brian does.
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Sounds like that is where Carl wishes they would start too.

Edwards said drivers are already doing everything they can to win, and the proposed changes that NASCAR chairman Brian France laid out two weeks ago won't change that.

"I don't think you can take the top 15 guys in this sport and make them race any harder for wins. I don't think you can," Edwards said.

Edwards said taking away the downforce on cars and making the tires softer is a good place to start. He said it would go a long way toward increasing competitive racing at the front of the pack.

"No matter what format we race under, I can't just try harder and go up and race with the guy or pass him," Edwards said. "I think the thing we have to focus on as a sport is making sure the cars can race one another. ... Right now, if I'm staring at the guy in the front window, it doesn't matter if [I'm racing] for a billion dollars and 10 championships -- if I can't catch him, I can't catch him."
 
Kyle18fan said:
I am totally lost on the meaning of all that Sliced :rolleyes:
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.............. or is it the first part u dont get?

Let me explain..

Qualifying round 1 - Drivers are on fresh tires. Fastest 24 laps move on to round 2.

Qualifying Round 2 - Drivers are no longer on fresh tires. Top 12 move on to the next round.

Qualifying Round 3 - Drivers are on old tires. Fastest time gets the pole.




Chances are the 25th place time that was run on fresh tires will be faster than the pole winners time from round 3 on old tires.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
"On another record-setting day at Michigan International Speedway, Joey Logano raced to one of the fastest qualifying speeds in NASCAR history.
Logano won the pole at 203.949 mph Friday in his No. 22 Ford, breaking the track record set by Marcos Ambrose last year. Ambrose's mark of 203.241 came on the first Sprint Cup weekend on a newly paved surface at MIS. His record lasted 14 months."

"Joey Logano raced to one of the fastest qualifying speeds in NASCAR history Friday, winning the pole at Michigan International Speedway at 203.949 mph.
Logano's speed was the ninth-highest by a NASCAR pole winner -- and the fastest since Bill Elliott set the record of 212.809 at Talladega on April 30, 1987."

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cu...-logano-sets-track-record-qualifying-michigan
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Now I get it ............. the ONLY record ever set by Joey :laugh:
Hang on to it man
 
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