NASCAR Death Bed

Spotter22 said:
But nevertheless, NASCAR will survive even after we are long gone.
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I think the Nascar name will always be around but I am not sure what it will encompass as it all depends on the next broadcast deal. Thanks to the current deal Nascar has been able to compound poor choice upon poor choice without having to face much of any reckoning. The teams have suffered to some extent but Nascar and the tracks are in high cotton. If Nascar can leverage a similar broadcast deal in the next go round they will probably have to cut the teams in more but basically it will be business as usual. If for some reason the broadcast deal is worth significantly less changes like we have never seen will likely ensue. IDK if I will live to see the next broadcast deal but I know I will be interested in reading about it if still on terra firma.
 
AtomicPunk55 said:
I think the Nascar name will always be around but I am not sure what it will encompass as it all depends on the next broadcast deal. Thanks to the current deal Nascar has been able to compound poor choice upon poor choice without having to face much of any reckoning. The teams have suffered to some extent but Nascar and the tracks are in high cotton. If Nascar can leverage a similar broadcast deal in the next go round they will probably have to cut the teams in more but basically it will be business as usual. If for some reason the broadcast deal is worth significantly less changes like we have never seen will likely ensue. IDK if I will live to see the next broadcast deal but I know I will be interested in reading about it if still on terra firma.
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they will get more money with the next renewal.
 
Towmater said:
The Wall Street Journal writes a huge article about a 11% decline in the viewership of the Today show. People are in a panic about it. The same thing happens race after race in NASCAR and we are fed spin about how great everything is in NASCARville.:D
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Not that you're trying to focus on The Today Show subject, but Ms. Kelly has a large target on her within the media, and that is the reason for the intense focus on that program. There have been similar prominent articles about NASCAR.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/long-in-victory-lane-nascar-hits-the-skids-1487686349

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...history/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aaead0066682

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-07-28/4-reasons-for-nascar-s-big-skid

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveca...n-gas-and-badly-needing-a-spark/#a4dbe4d6a62a

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...atings-decline-is-as-worrying-as-the-nfls-why

There are a few true believers who seek to dismiss the reality no matter what. And yes, NASCAR can still shed another 60-70% of its remaining audience and remain the most popular motorsports entity in the U.S. I've reached the point at which I still believe it is completely valid to cover and acknowledge, but the events that would have to occur to reverse the trend are much larger than tweaks to the aero package or schedule. It is the loss of perceived "cultural relevance" that is the real problem, and figuring out how to restore that is a thorny and difficult subject. Which cultures should they be aiming to be relevant to at this point?

I am glad that there is a wealth of motor racing available for me to watch, all of which aside from F1 that are small and niche compared to NASCAR. Every one of the series I follow wants to be more popular, but there are no serious aspirations to reach NASCAR levels. When you look at the wider realm of auto racing, the '90s and '00s heights of NASCAR popularity look like an aberration, not a default expectation. I consider Brian France to be a monstrously incompetent trust fund buffoon who mismanaged the sport and accelerated the decline with his foolish desire to emulate football and basketball. But that's done, and he is receding into the background. I think chasing new audiences with more quick fix gimmicks will only make things worse.

I know what my prescriptions would be to make NASCAR more to my preferences, some of which are happening and some are not. I don't seriously believe any of them would turn the TV ratings trends around in the short term.
 
In fact with what the networks have been paying lately it looks like they got a bargain tying up Nascar under a long term contract.
 
gnomesayin said:
Not that you're trying to focus on The Today Show subject, but Ms. Kelly has a large target on her within the media, and that is the reason for the intense focus on that program. There have been similar prominent articles about NASCAR.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/long-in-victory-lane-nascar-hits-the-skids-1487686349

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...history/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aaead0066682

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-07-28/4-reasons-for-nascar-s-big-skid

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveca...n-gas-and-badly-needing-a-spark/#a4dbe4d6a62a

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...atings-decline-is-as-worrying-as-the-nfls-why

There are a few true believers who seek to dismiss the reality no matter what. And yes, NASCAR can still shed another 60-70% of its remaining audience and remain the most popular motorsports entity in the U.S. I've reached the point at which I still believe it is completely valid to cover and acknowledge, but the events that would have to occur to reverse the trend are much larger than tweaks to the aero package or schedule. It is the loss of perceived "cultural relevance" that is the real problem, and figuring out how to restore that is a thorny and difficult subject. Which cultures should they be aiming to be relevant to at this point?

I am glad that there is a wealth of motor racing available for me to watch, all of which aside from F1 that are small and niche compared to NASCAR. Every one of the series I follow wants to be more popular, but there are no serious aspirations to reach NASCAR levels. When you look at the wider realm of auto racing, the '90s and '00s heights of NASCAR popularity look like an aberration, not a default expectation. I consider Brian France to be a monstrously incompetent trust fund buffoon who mismanaged the sport and accelerated the decline with his foolish desire to emulate football and basketball. But that's done, and he is receding into the background. I think chasing new audiences with more quick fix gimmicks will only make things worse.

I know what my prescriptions would be to make NASCAR more to my preferences, some of which are happening and some are not. I don't seriously believe any of them would turn the TV ratings trends around in the short term.
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Many of the people reporting this are losing their jobs left and right, Nascar has been hiring. :idunno:
The Impact of ESPN Layoffs | SI.com
https://careers.nascar.com/
 
gnomesayin said:
Not that you're trying to focus on The Today Show subject, but Ms. Kelly has a large target on her within the media, and that is the reason for the intense focus on that program. There have been similar prominent articles about NASCAR.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/long-in-victory-lane-nascar-hits-the-skids-1487686349

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...history/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aaead0066682

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-07-28/4-reasons-for-nascar-s-big-skid

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveca...n-gas-and-badly-needing-a-spark/#a4dbe4d6a62a

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...atings-decline-is-as-worrying-as-the-nfls-why

There are a few true believers who seek to dismiss the reality no matter what. And yes, NASCAR can still shed another 60-70% of its remaining audience and remain the most popular motorsports entity in the U.S. I've reached the point at which I still believe it is completely valid to cover and acknowledge, but the events that would have to occur to reverse the trend are much larger than tweaks to the aero package or schedule. It is the loss of perceived "cultural relevance" that is the real problem, and figuring out how to restore that is a thorny and difficult subject. Which cultures should they be aiming to be relevant to at this point?

I am glad that there is a wealth of motor racing available for me to watch, all of which aside from F1 that are small and niche compared to NASCAR. Every one of the series I follow wants to be more popular, but there are no serious aspirations to reach NASCAR levels. When you look at the wider realm of auto racing, the '90s and '00s heights of NASCAR popularity look like an aberration, not a default expectation. I consider Brian France to be a monstrously incompetent trust fund buffoon who mismanaged the sport and accelerated the decline with his foolish desire to emulate football and basketball. But that's done, and he is receding into the background. I think chasing new audiences with more quick fix gimmicks will only make things worse.

I know what my prescriptions would be to make NASCAR more to my preferences, some of which are happening and some are not. I don't seriously believe any of them would turn the TV ratings trends around in the short term.
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Great post and very, very well said and I also appreciated the links as I had not seen most of the articles. Between attrition and the lack of new customers Nascar should be able to lose 30% of its remaining audience quickly so the race to lose 60-70% of the current fan base is easily attainable from where I sit. I don't know how Nascar can regain even a modicum of relevance as there are no Ralph Dale Earnhardt's III on the horizon and no Jeff Gordon Jr's coming along. I think before Nascar even makes an attempt at becoming relevant it needs leadership that is perceived as competent and the derisive pounding it takes needs to stop. In reality Nascar is an object of scorn to far more people than are fans.

I am glad for other motorsports like the Isle of Man TT and various rally racing and off road stuff. These things are pretty well hidden as they are not promoted so you have to go find them. I have some ideas for fixes but I am afraid they would only mollify part of the current fan base and not attract newbies. What most people don't want to face is that Nascar needs a huge infusion of enthusiastic young people to keep it going. Find out what they want and if it pisses off the old people like me that is fine as we had our day and no longer count.

IMO Nascar was never going to keep a high percentage of fad fans as once the realized Jeff wasn't going to win 5 and Dale Jr wasn't Dale they left like rats leaving a sinking ship. However Nascar could have done something (the did nothing) to at least hold onto 35% of the new fans that came in.
 
StandOnIt said:
In fact with what the networks have been paying lately it looks like they got a bargain tying up Nascar under a long term contract.
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First things first and I am not saying you are wrong at all but I am wondering how you arrived at your conclusion. Each year of the broadcast deal Nascar has delivered less of an audience with a higher percentage of old folks. If this was offset by younger people streaming in any significant numbers I could see how it could be seen a beneficial but very few stream or consume Nascar digitally in any meaningful that can be quantified or monetized.
 
pretty simple. looking at what network contracts are paying for sporting events that draw similar or even less ratings. Even the ratings drama queen knows that. numbers are up in the where are the children group also.
 
this latest ISC quarterly report didn't make the cut, it made money.
Total revenues for the three months ended February 28, 2018 were approximately $148.9 million, compared to revenues of approximately $148.0 million for the same period in fiscal 2017. Operating income was approximately $32.5 million during the period compared to approximately $33.8 million for the same period in fiscal 2017.

https://www.nasdaq.com/press-releas...e-first-quarter-of-fiscal-2018-20180403-00373
 
StandOnIt said:
pretty simple. looking at what network contracts are paying for sporting events that draw similar or even less ratings. Even the ratings drama queen knows that. numbers are up in the where are the children group also.
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What networks are paying similar or more money for a sporting event that draws a similar number of viewers and demographic as NASCAR?
 
Cowboy hat Austin Dillion gets Coke for the Coke 600
Coca-Cola to be Featured as Primary Sponsor on No. 3 Chevy for the Coke 600

Coca-Cola’s Racing Roots Run Deep
Coca-Cola’s involvement with NASCAR dates back 50 years and its partnership with RCR began in 1998. Its comprehensive marketing approach has engaged millions of fans, customers, and employees and has earned Coca-Cola recognition as being one of the most recognized brands in the sport. Dillon was introduced into the Coca-Cola Racing Family in 2014 when he became a full-time Cup Series driver.

Coca-Cola last appeared as a full primary sponsor with RCR 20 years ago in the 1998 NASCAR Thunder Special Motegi in Motegi City, Japan. Dale Earnhardt Sr. drove the No. 3 Coca-Cola Chevrolet to an eighth-place finish in the 300-mile exhibition race.

https://www.rcrracing.com/news-medi.../26/coca-cola-sponsor-austin-dillon-coke-600/
 
AtomicPunk55 said:
I hope the game wasn’t over this time as the last one was funny. If it is not empty seats it is taxpayer funded stadiums or that Bill Elliott’s pork rinds are going to be an associate sponsor for one race. It is all good
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Somebody needs to review the fact that the NFL's draft is going to be televised live for the next 2 nights and you can choose to watch it on one or several different networks. Again, a draft of unproven players that may never make any impact on the teams they will be going to training camp to attempt to make the teams final roster. NASCAR on the other hand has a hard time getting post race activities/interviews broadcast if the race runs long. Puts things in perspective, doesn't it?
 
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gnomesayin said:
Not that you're trying to focus on The Today Show subject, but Ms. Kelly has a large target on her within the media, and that is the reason for the intense focus on that program. There have been similar prominent articles about NASCAR.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/long-in-victory-lane-nascar-hits-the-skids-1487686349

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...history/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aaead0066682

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-07-28/4-reasons-for-nascar-s-big-skid

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveca...n-gas-and-badly-needing-a-spark/#a4dbe4d6a62a

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...atings-decline-is-as-worrying-as-the-nfls-why

There are a few true believers who seek to dismiss the reality no matter what. And yes, NASCAR can still shed another 60-70% of its remaining audience and remain the most popular motorsports entity in the U.S. I've reached the point at which I still believe it is completely valid to cover and acknowledge, but the events that would have to occur to reverse the trend are much larger than tweaks to the aero package or schedule. It is the loss of perceived "cultural relevance" that is the real problem, and figuring out how to restore that is a thorny and difficult subject. Which cultures should they be aiming to be relevant to at this point?

I am glad that there is a wealth of motor racing available for me to watch, all of which aside from F1 that are small and niche compared to NASCAR. Every one of the series I follow wants to be more popular, but there are no serious aspirations to reach NASCAR levels. When you look at the wider realm of auto racing, the '90s and '00s heights of NASCAR popularity look like an aberration, not a default expectation. I consider Brian France to be a monstrously incompetent trust fund buffoon who mismanaged the sport and accelerated the decline with his foolish desire to emulate football and basketball. But that's done, and he is receding into the background. I think chasing new audiences with more quick fix gimmicks will only make things worse.

I know what my prescriptions would be to make NASCAR more to my preferences, some of which are happening and some are not. I don't seriously believe any of them would turn the TV ratings trends around in the short term.
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Gnomesayin, this is a very good post. I agree with most of it. I don't think anyone here fails to grasp that Nascar's attendance and ratings trends are negative... and that dampens just about every revenue stream from growing as the industry would like. Those basic facts are obvious, even if the causes and especially the solutions are very, very elusive.

As a discussion forum for those interested in racing, we are plagued by a few trolls who gleefully insert the same Deathbed Talking Points and exaggerated spin into almost every thread, almost every day. In reaction, those you call "true believers" push back with exaggerations and occasional fabrications of their own. The atmosphere is toxic, and what is lost is those who wish to discuss racing topics away from the trolling interest of our resident Deathbedder-In-Chief.

BTW, while Brian France has certainly been "receding into the background" lately, I believe this is not enough. There is a new president, Brent Dewar, who has received very strong endorsements from his main constituents, and recently a new COO as well. There needs to be a public departure of France and a new CEO, whether it is Dewar or someone else. I also believe there needs to be new ownership... and I have to believe the France family is contemplating an exit strategy. And I still can't make sense of the Daytona Rising and Phoenix investments in economic terms, so I continue to wonder if it's part of a plan to spiff up ISC to sell the company...!
 
Towmater said:
Somebody needs to review the fact that the NFL's draft is going to be televised live for the next 2 nights and you can choose to watch it on one or several different networks. Again, a draft of unproven players that may never make any impact on the teams they will be going to training camp to attempt to make the teams final roster. NASCAR on the other hand has a hard time getting post race activities/interviews broadcast if the race runs long. Puts things in perspective, doesn't it?
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I think everyone pretty much knows the NFL is the gorilla in the room. Nothing has changed.
 
Spotter22 said:
I think everyone pretty much knows the NFL is the gorilla in the room. Nothing has changed. Trolls gonna troll I guess.. . .
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Laughable. Nice to know that when the debate gets going your side resorts to name calling.
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(Oh, and to the mod - I made a screen shot of the troll comment).
 
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oh how the Nascar turns
LewTheShoe said:
Gnomesayin, this is a very good post. I agree with most of it. I don't think anyone here fails to grasp that Nascar's attendance and ratings trends are negative... and that dampens just about every revenue stream from growing as the industry would like. Those basic facts are obvious, even if the causes and especially the solutions are very, very elusive.

As a discussion forum for those interested in racing, we are plagued by a few trolls who gleefully insert the same Deathbed Talking Points and exaggerated spin into almost every thread, almost every day. In reaction, those you call "true believers" push back with exaggerations and occasional fabrications of their own. The atmosphere is toxic, and what is lost is those who wish to discuss racing topics away from the trolling interest of our resident Deathbedder-In-Chief.

BTW, while Brian France has certainly been "receding into the background" lately, I believe this is not enough. There is a new president, Brent Dewar, who has received very strong endorsements from his main constituents, and recently a new COO as well. There needs to be a public departure of France and a new CEO, whether it is Dewar or someone else. I also believe there needs to be new ownership... and I have to believe the France family is contemplating an exit strategy. And I still can't make sense of the Daytona Rising and Phoenix investments in economic terms, so I continue to wonder if it's part of a plan to spiff up ISC to sell the company...!
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That is a new one, spiff it up to sell it.:D Ben Kennedy was made general manager of the truck series recently, I wonder if he will take over as long as we are speculating.
 
Sad that and the pit gun story line have over shadowed that 2 teams are dominating the rest of NASCAR at the moment. Bizarre that the Teams have promoted a story line that never should have been put on the front burner and kept the amazing story line buried through their attempts at cheating. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot and not allowing the sport to get traction on what everyone should be talking about.
 
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What I attempt to do is point out that the sport has issues and that it appears that the ship isn't being righted. I don't drink the NASCAR koolaid. I am a fan of NASCAR and want it to succeed as much or more than you do. I happen to have a different opinion than the traditionalist and those that want the sport to go back to the way that is was. IMO, the business model from 20 years ago won't work and the business model we currently have won't sustain itself. That seems to intimidate some people.


*getting off soapbox*
 
I know I said this before but I feel like NASCAR has lost a lot of kids ( younger Generation X'ers) that grew up watching NASCAR from the mid 80's on. I'm part of this demographic who's now in their mid to late 30's on into our early 40's. We were the kids whose parents were DW, Earnhardt, Petty, Elliott, Bobby/Davey Allison, Yarborough, Pearson, etc fans. The majority of us are old enough to remember most, if not all of them race. We're old to to remember NASCAR's emergence into a mainstream sport, to it blowing up to epic proportions, to now it's slide back. We're also old enough remember what the Indy 500 use to be. Rick Mears, Danny Sullivan, Bobby Rahal, The Unsers, AJ Foyt, The Andretti's, Emmo were names we grew up with. I'd argue we got the "golden age" of Indycar and NASCAR. For a multitude of reasons NASCAR has struggled to hold onto this group.

The "Jeff Gordon" generation (early millennials) would be the next group. Most of the kids in the oversized obnoxious 90's era Gordon t-shirts are in their mid to late 20's, perhaps even early 30's. They're old enough to remember NASCAR become "mainstream", Sr's death/9/11 and the huge crowds that once existed. For whatever this group has also tuned out NASCAR in droves. What hurts is the fact they were likely second and third generation NASCAR fans and not part of the "fad" crew.
 
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KodiakRusty89 said:
I know I said this before but I feel like NASCAR has lost a lot of kids ( younger Generation X'ers) that grew up watching NASCAR from the mid 80's on. I'm part of this demographic who's now in their mid to late 30's on into our early 40's. We were the kids whose parents were DW, Earnhardt, Petty, Elliott, Bobby/Davey Allison, Yarborough, Pearson, etc fans. The majority of us are old enough to remember most, if not all of them race. We're old to to remember NASCAR's emergence into a mainstream sport, to it blowing up to epic proportions, to now it's slide back. We're also old enough remember what the Indy 500 use to be. Rick Mears, Danny Sullivan, Bobby Rahal, The Unsers, AJ Foyt, The Andretti's, Emmo were names we grew up with. I'd argue we got the "golden age" of Indycar and NASCAR. For a multitude of reasons NASCAR has struggled to hold onto this group.

The "Jeff Gordon" generation (early millennials) would be the next group. Most of the kids in the oversized obnoxious 90's era Gordon t-shirts are in their mid to late 20's, perhaps even early 30's. They're old enough to remember NASCAR become "mainstream", Sr's death/9/11 and the huge crowds that once existed. For whatever this group has also tuned out NASCAR in droves. What hurts is the fact they were likely second and third generation NASCAR fans and not part of the "fad" crew.
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What you say makes sense as just by attending school children are exposed to games like football, soccer, basketball, baseball/softball and many schools even have golf teams. I suspect the best way for kids to get exposed to Nascar or racing in general is to have an adult in the household be a fan and expose the youngster to it. I don't know if this sort of thing is being done much but if so it doesn't seem to be working. Recently students were let into Bristol free for the delayed race on Monday but it looked like they extended the middle finger to Bruton Smith and Nascar.

There is a theory a few people on this forum have floated and it essentially says that it doesn't matter how low Nascar gets in popularity and ratings so long as it is the most popular motorsport. Reading between the lines you have to think Nascar must believe this as they haven't done anything or even attempted anything that has brought in fans of any age group. I would love to hear some knowledgeable people weigh in on this see if the theory has merit or if it just whistling past the graveyard. When I was posting with SOI yesterday he was saying that Nascar will get more money in the next broadcast deal than what was received in the last so if I am still around it will be interesting to see how it shakes out.
 
Towmater said:
Somebody needs to review the fact that the NFL's draft is going to be televised live for the next 2 nights and you can choose to watch it on one or several different networks. Again, a draft of unproven players that may never make any impact on the teams they will be going to training camp to attempt to make the teams final roster. NASCAR on the other hand has a hard time getting post race activities/interviews broadcast if the race runs long. Puts things in perspective, doesn't it?
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I don't think I gained useful perspective from that, no. Is there something I am missing? I am aware that the NFL is much, much more popular in the U.S. than NASCAR and every other sport, and receives much more robust media coverage accordingly. Is there more than that?
 
gnomesayin said:
I don't think I gained useful perspective from that, no. Is there something I am missing? I am aware that the NFL is much, much more popular in the U.S. than NASCAR and every other sport, and receives much more robust media coverage accordingly. Is there more than that?
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I appreciate the information I get from Hockey Night in Canada, Sportsnet and TSN and for football I get good info Peter King, Mel Kiper, Tony Dungy, Jay Glazer and many others. There are so many moving parts plus players and teams I normally learn something from draft shows or pre-game or intermission programs. I stopped watching anything related to Nascar in the 90's and because no salient info was offered. Now you and others may have had a different experience and I respect that and I expect my opinion to be respected too.
 
AtomicPunk55 said:
I appreciate the information I get from Hockey Night in Canada, Sportsnet and TSN and for football I get good info Peter King, Mel Kiper, Tony Dungy, Jay Glazer and many others. There are so many moving parts plus players and teams I normally learn something from draft shows or pre-game or intermission programs. I stopped watching anything related to Nascar in the 90's and because no salient info was offered. Now you and others may have had a different experience and I respect that and I expect my opinion to be respected too.
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That is very true, you have very little input to add about the sport besides seat counting and crystal gazing.
 
AtomicPunk55 said:
I appreciate the information I get from Hockey Night in Canada, Sportsnet and TSN and for football I get good info Peter King, Mel Kiper, Tony Dungy, Jay Glazer and many others. There are so many moving parts plus players and teams I normally learn something from draft shows or pre-game or intermission programs. I stopped watching anything related to Nascar in the 90's and because no salient info was offered. Now you and others may have had a different experience and I respect that and I expect my opinion to be respected too.
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I would have to better understand what you are conveying before knowing whether it is an opinion I respect or not. I do always respect anyone's freedom to have a different point of view. Individual opinions I try to evaluate on their merits.

So far I get that:

1. You appreciate the information and insights provided by various football reporters and analysts.

2. You stopped watching NASCAR in the '90s because you didn't find there to be enough ancillary media coverage.

What I don't know thus far is:

1. When you resumed watching NASCAR after the '90s hiatus, and what led you back.

2. How this pertains to the state of NASCAR media coverage in 2018, what you assess the problems and solutions to be.
 
gnomesayin said:
I would have to better understand what you are conveying before knowing whether it is an opinion I respect or not. I do always respect anyone's freedom to have a different point of view. Individual opinions I try to evaluate on their merits.

So far I get that:

1. You appreciate the information and insights provided by various football reporters and analysts.

2. You stopped watching NASCAR in the '90s because you didn't find there to be enough ancillary media coverage.

What I don't know thus far is:

1. When you resumed watching NASCAR after the '90s hiatus, and what led you back.

2. How this pertains to the state of NASCAR media coverage in 2018, what you assess the problems and solutions to be.
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We got our wires crossed. I stopped watching ancillary coverage of Nascar in the 90's as I was not gleaning anything that I felt was important but continued to watch and enjoy Nascar up until about 2004. Since that time period I stopped attending races and no longer see every race in its entirety because I don't find the series as entertaining or compelling as in decades past.

IDK what goes on during pre-race shows today but if it includes things like asking how drivers are going to run, national anthems, flyovers, Micheal Waltrip, Rutledge Wood, personal interest stories on drivers, speaking to WaGs and children, the weather, pit windows for fuel or tires, retired drivers taking laps around the track, announcers opinions as to how the race will be run or play out yada, yada then I am not interested.
 
Oh, I see. You've done a pretty accurate job of describing modern NASCAR pre-race shows, so you must have some familiarity. I don't make any point to watch them either. I generally don't find NFL comparisons useful, but I also find the bulk of NFL TV studio programming to be shallow, uncritical, and mediocre at best.

In terms of quality NASCAR reporting, Jeff Gluck, Dustin Long, Lee Spencer do good work. Adam Stern is solid for business / broadcasting coverage. Nate Ryan, Jenna Fryer, Bob Pockrass - decent. There are others I'm missing at the moment.
 
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The TL;DR...

1. Fans of football tend to enjoy football news and analysis more than they like that sort of stuff about ballet, wine tasting, soccer, and motorsports.

2. Can't deny that there is more important stuff about football than about racing... arrest reports, plea bargaining news, failed drug tests, PED suspensions, FBI investigations, NCAA investigations, bounty-gate, deflate-gate, etc, etc, etc.
 
^ I don't appreciate the way my post above was edited. It is a question of mis-quoting in order to ridicule. So I'll try to approach the topic of integrity in a different way.
AtomicPunk55 said:
There is a theory a few people on this forum have floated and it essentially says that it doesn't matter how low Nascar gets in popularity and ratings so long as it is the most popular motorsport.
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I challenge you to provide links to those posts or quote them directly. It's not right to mis-characterize a member's posts and then use that to ridicule. And furthermore, I request that you retract your snarky comment about a member with hand in cookie jar... because "those who live in glass houses should not throw stones."
 
gnomesayin said:
I don't think I gained useful perspective from that, no. Is there something I am missing? I am aware that the NFL is much, much more popular in the U.S. than NASCAR and every other sport, and receives much more robust media coverage accordingly. Is there more than that?
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I'm glad that you read my post and expect to gather useful perspectives from them. I'll try and be clearer in the future and not state an opinion that leads you to a conclusion that you already have. Of course, that would mean I have to either be a mind reader, which I am not, or know everything that you might know - quite the conundrum to solve for sure.
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If you were being facetious then please disregard the above.
 
LewTheShoe said:
^ I don't appreciate the way my post above was edited. It is a question of mis-quoting in order to ridicule. So I'll try to approach the topic of integrity in a different way.

I challenge you to provide links to those posts or quote them directly. It's not right to mis-characterize a member's posts and then use that to ridicule. And furthermore, I request that you retract your snarky comment about a member with hand in cookie jar... because "those who live in glass houses should not throw stones."
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yep quite a bias. hard to make sense of.
 
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