nascar ended up with a corrupt race

Matthew2470 said:
Hopefully NASCAR does something that makes it so that it was totally not worth it for Clint and Brian to do what they did. If it were up to me I'd issue the following penalties:

Clint Bowyer: 100 driver/owner points, $250,000 fine and disqualification from Chase. Crew chief fined $250,000 and suspended until January 1st 2014
Brian Vickers: 50 driver/owner points. $150,000 fine. Crew chief fined $150,000 and suspended until January 1st 2014.

I realize that this is incredibly harsh but I think the hammer needs to be dropped in order to preserve/rehabilitate NASCAR's integrity.
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I like this but with an addendum:
Joey Lagano also disqualified from the chase. Joey did nothing wrong but Michael Waltrip and company did on Joey's behalf so put him back where he would have been before the cheating occurred.
Jeff Gordon reinstated into 10th.
Ryan Newman reinstated into 13th.
It wont happen but I can dream.
 
Obviously you can't penalize Logano. Logano and Penske did nothing wrong. He was just the lucky beneficiary. MWR needed Logano in the top 10 to free up the wild card, so they sandbagged to give Logano a boost. Logano was an innocent, if lucky, third party.
 
when I first started this thread I like nearly all of you thought nascar would do NOTHING about it. After reading their statement that they are looking into it and all the negative press involved, I mean this is all over the place in the media. I am not sure about that anymore. I actually think now nascar could very well penalize MWR for this. Right now I can guarantee nascar is thinking about what they should do and its ramifications. The reason being imagine if this sort of thing happens again?? If you are nascar I get the feeling they might be inclined to deal with the situation. Add to that is we now know alot more details about what happened including brian vickers involvement which was totally obvious. The deal is this if a jury was to convict beyond reasonable doubt. With all the evidence we have, even people who overhead mikey say "you have great teammates" MWR is guilty even with the OJ jury.

TO YOU PEOPLE SAYING STUFF LIKE THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME AND DALE SR AND JR DID THIS OR THAT, THE SPORT HAS NEVER SEEN SOMETHING THIS WIDESPREAD AND COORDINATED. The problem with what happened is when you sum up its total effect on not only the outcome of the chase but even the winner of the race. the jumpped restart and non call just ices the cake. I am going to go out on a limb here and say nascar does something about it.
 
Matthew2470 said:
Let me state again: My opinion has nothing to do with Jeff Gordon missing the Chase. That team has underperformed for 2 years straight and I'm hopeful that they bring in someone to right the ship.

My anger is that my favorite sport has MWR scumbag slime all over it and it's caused me (and a multitude of others) to seriously question whether or not we should continue to invest our time and money into a sanctioning body that would tolerate this.
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no, nascar is out of control with its selective rules enforcement. I would watch all the races now only 8or9. not a nascar tee or hat in the closet or sticker on the truck anymore.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
when I first started this thread I like nearly all of you thought nascar would do NOTHING about it. After reading their statement that they are looking into it and all the negative press involved, I mean this is all over the place in the media. I am not sure about that anymore. I actually think now nascar could very well penalize MWR for this. Right now I can guarantee nascar is thinking about what they should do and its ramifications. The reason being imagine if this sort of thing happens again?? If you are nascar I get the feeling they might be inclined to deal with the situation. Add to that is we now know alot more details about what happened including brian vickers involvement which was totally obvious. The deal is this if a jury was to convict beyond reasonable doubt. With all the evidence we have, even people who overhead mikey say "you have great teammates" MWR is guilty even with the OJ jury.

TO YOU PEOPLE SAYING STUFF LIKE THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME AND DALE SR AND JR DID THIS OR THAT, THE SPORT HAS NEVER SEEN SOMETHING THIS WIDESPREAD AND COORDINATED. The problem with what happened is when you sum up its total effect on not only the outcome of the chase but even the winner of the race. the jumpped restart and non call just ices the cake. I am going to go out on a limb here and say nascar does something about it.
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The question is though, what will they do? I also believe something will be done, but I doubt they'll even go as far as to leave Bowyer out of the first chase race. They'll give him a suspension, a small fine and 20 points taken away.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
when I first started this thread I like nearly all of you thought nascar would do NOTHING about it. After reading their statement that they are looking into it and all the negative press involved, I mean this is all over the place in the media. I am not sure about that anymore. I actually think now nascar could very well penalize MWR for this. Right now I can guarantee nascar is thinking about what they should do and its ramifications. The reason being imagine if this sort of thing happens again?? If you are nascar I get the feeling they might be inclined to deal with the situation. Add to that is we now know alot more details about what happened including brian vickers involvement which was totally obvious. The deal is this if a jury was to convict beyond reasonable doubt. With all the evidence we have, even people who overhead mikey say "you have great teammates" MWR is guilty even with the OJ jury.

TO YOU PEOPLE SAYING STUFF LIKE THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME AND DALE SR AND JR DID THIS OR THAT, THE SPORT HAS NEVER SEEN SOMETHING THIS WIDESPREAD AND COORDINATED. The problem with what happened is when you sum up its total effect on not only the outcome of the chase but even the winner of the race. the jumpped restart and non call just ices the cake. I am going to go out on a limb here and say nascar does something about it.
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I think you are right. I'm sure that sanctions will be addressed toward MWR over this farce.
I dont see how Nascar has any other option.

I wonder if they have heard from the sponsors who missed the chase because of it yet?
 
Johali said:
I like this but with an addendum:
Joey Lagano also disqualified from the chase. Joey did nothing wrong but Michael Waltrip and company did on Joey's behalf so put him back where he would have been before the cheating occurred.
Jeff Gordon reinstated into 10th.
Ryan Newman reinstated into 13th.
It wont happen but I can dream.
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Wow, you really do hate Logano. Lets put Keselowski back in while we're at it.
 
Carl Edwards has been running around all day with a sheet eating grin screaming Hallelujah Hallelujah, thank you MWR and all involved for taking the heat off of me.
 
IMO, nascar will fine MWR for the slow speed and wanky pit stops of the 15 and 55. Many, many teams have put out the call to some other team to help them out in this manner, but MWR went way too far. They have no deniability on those issues.
 
Clutch said:
I think you are right. I'm sure that sanctions will be addressed toward MWR over this farce.
I dont see how Nascar has any other option.

I wonder if they have heard from the sponsors who missed the chase because of it yet?
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The have a mess on there hands, with all the money involved on both sides of this.
 
I seriously doubt that Nascar wants the excitement over the Chase muddied in any way but just for the hell of it, I'd like to see them take the two beneficiaries of Bowyers actions out of the Chase and replace them with the two victims.

That would set off some fireworks :D
 
either they do one of 2 things, either they ignore what happened. I believe they would have ignored what happened if brian vickers wasn't also involved. the vickers deal is just too much to ignore and it also confirms that bowyer spin was intentional. OR they do something huge. by huge I am talking big points penalty for the 55 and the 15 to the point where they will loose all the points from a race. like 50 points or something. If you are nascar why do a slap on the wrist. It will just prolong the bad press and accomplish nothing. the penalty is either none or huge I say.

the other thing is vickers seemed less in on what they needed to do. I think bowyer was talked to because essentially if they weren't in position to win the race that car could finish anywhere they wanted it to. I think they did talk to bowyer about options for tanking the race. Vickers not so much because the 55 car is in a different situation. Could you imagine how mad jeff gordon and newman are. You know these guys are complaining loudly at nascar. Just wait till a reporter starts talking to them and asking how they feel about it. I can't see how they contain themselves to the reporter. Your going to hear fireworks from their mouth.
 
here's tha irony in all this team ****e.
hms didn't get all 4 teams .....plus its shr satellite team ....in tha chase. what a crime !
it's all mwr's fault.

tha whole sport is doomed ! ha!
 
Jeff Gordon said that he felt bad for not making the chase, but now that all if these details are out he feels worse for Newman. Does he not realize it affects him too?

I lost respect for Clint last year when he tried going 3 wide at Martinsville and took out both HMS leaders. The media portrays him as a comedic blue collar guy but you can tell the way he carries himself he's a careless tool. After this incident he should be known for being a completely spineless unsportsmanlike prick. Even Vickers who I had liked for his racing ability is a slave to his master - the disgusting cheater Micheal Waltrip. I wonder how DW feels about his brother trying to make a mockery of the sport. Chicken****.

Take MWR out of the chase & let the remaining drivers go for it - don't add Newman or Jeff, let them take care of MWR for themselves in the last 10.
 
FenderBumper said:
After seeing RCR get away with it, I'm sure MWR said why not us? But they went way too far. If the spin didn't get it done, then let it go.
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If it was just the spin Jeff Gordon would be in and JoLo would be out. Jeff was in by two points until the back stretch on the last lap then dropped to one point then coming out of turn four he was out by one and I was completely baffled because he gained a spot but still lost by a point, now I know why, the points dropped when JoLo passed CB and BV.
 
Karma baby. Last year Gordon wrecked a chase driver over slight contact, and he took out Logano too.

Now Logano is in at Jeffs expense. I can't shed a tear on this one.
 
I spent two years in his hometown and saw the guy twice. While working for Walgreens, I even spent the day at his local golf charity tournament to take pictures. This guy isn't the nice, comedic guy who he portrays to be during his interviews. From the one time I met him and actually talked to him, I saw the true side of him. Not only that, but I've learned from countless people in town that he's a jerk. He's been trying to hide it by acting like a "fun" guy during his interviews, but now everyone has seen the person he really is. Sucks when your true self is exposed to the world. No one is going to look at him the same anymore.
 
FenderBumper said:
Karma baby. Last year Gordon wrecked a chase driver over slight contact, and he took out Logano too.

Now Logano is in at Jeffs expense. I can't shed a tear on this one.
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do really think that this is what this about? They conspired to change the outcome of the race. it's the same thing as point shaving
 
Brent said:
I spent two years in his hometown and saw the guy twice. While working for Walgreens, I even spent the day at his local golf charity tournament to take pictures. This guy isn't the nice, comedic guy who he portrays to be during his interviews. From the one time I met him and actually talked to him, I saw the true side of him. Not only that, but I've learned from countless people in town that he's a jerk. He's been trying to hide it by acting like a "fun" guy during his interviews, but now everyone has seen the person he really is. Sucks when your true self is exposed to the world. No one is going to look at him the same anymore.
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Who?
 
Brent said:
I spent two years in his hometown and saw the guy twice. While working for Walgreens, I even spent the day at his local golf charity tournament to take pictures. This guy isn't the nice, comedic guy who he portrays to be during his interviews. From the one time I met him and actually talked to him, I saw the true side of him. Not only that, but I've learned from countless people in town that he's a jerk. He's been trying to hide it by acting like a "fun" guy during his interviews, but now everyone has seen the person he really is. Sucks when your true self is exposed to the world. No one is going to look at him the same anymore.
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obviously speaking of carl edwards. where else do you get expert personality evaluations than working at walgreens and taking pictures at a golf outing.

edit: I apologize. I understand the sarcasm will be missed.
 
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Bowyer deserved what Gordon did to him at Phoenix. If you're a championship contender, you might want to think twice about wrecking guys. If it was Kyle Busch that Gordon took out at Phoenix, nobody would've been mad.
 
BOWTIE GUY said:
The have a mess on there hands, with all the money involved on both sides of this.
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At this point I have to revert to my signature...."Uneducated Drunk Rednecks" ....Later on this week we are all going to see the TRUE colors of NASCRAP....They certainly do have a firestorm brewing, and they hope to ride it out. If they cant, and they have to save face, and make a call, it will be of the fencewalking nature. Look for a minimal points/money fine for #15 & 55 just to make it that much harder to win the championship. And in a positive "public opinion" move they add the #24 & 39 into the chase...20+ years Dupont has been involved with NASCRAP, their sponsorship money has been in the mega-millions, and they deserve a better fate, than the one they got dealt from 3 dirtbags......Oh. Yea....BTW....David Poole is clawing on the inside of his coffin right about now....."Let me out for one last editorial".....Godspeed
 
I just finished work and I have been able to read a little more about the story. Nascar may have to address this more seriously than I orginally realized.

This story will not go away like I originally expected. The world has changed, the story has gone viral on the internet, and people unbridled by Nascars strong hand will not let it die.

I still think Nascar is more interested in damage control than justice. If the weight of doing nothing is heavier than the fall out of penalizing Napa, 5 hour and Aarons they will be forced to respond.

But that opens a whole new mess, there will be no consensus on how to resolve the issue, it is a damned if you do or don't situation.

Assuming everyone aggrees that MWR deserves punishing, there is then the messy business of how to reset matters.
That is an impossible task, this issue is the perfect storm, all effected parties are damaged even the innocent parties.
 
Ok, didn't something similar happen last year, Not a spin out but something similar to help a teammate. If so where do you draw the line. You come just come down pit road for tires and give up your position to help a teammate.There are many ways to do this that would be less obvious than what happened.
 
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