Offseason topic.... If you could erase one rule from the MENCS rulebook, what would it be and why?

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by Old 97, Jan 28, 2019.

  1. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    The vast majority of fans like short tracks and road courses because of the excitement of passing involved. But apparently some like the single file of the 1.5's and none of them have ever trashed a 1.5 about the lack of passing and saying things like boring, can't believe they have two dates and any other such thing. Yeah sure I believe ya.
     
  2. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Crew Chief

    I enjoyed the racing last year and I feel no need to justify my preference to anyone. IDK why anyone feels the need to justify why they like the 2019 rules as it isn’t necessary.
     
  3. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Crew Chief

    None of this has anything to do with incorrect application of speed and time you put forth on this page.
     
  4. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Crew Chief

    I sure hope I can maintain membership as I really enjoy myself here.
     
  5. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    keep on keeping on, you have a perfect record so far
     
  6. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    Third time's the charm?
     
  7. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Crew Chief

    I never take anything for granted but with all that is going on this year I am glad to be on board. If it works out that you don’t care for the 2019 rules will you still watch those races or take a pass?
     
  8. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    The cars are slower down the straights, I can see the difference, and I STILL don't care one bit if it provides better racing. The first time I went to Michigan (1983) the pole speed was 165 MPH, and it was better than just about any race I have seen there since. In fact, I stopped going there after 1999, because the faster it got, the more boring it got.
     
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  9. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Nascar could probably fix most of their aero problems with a car that looks like an INDY car, huge tires, super light, with big spoilers and splitters and covered wheels so they don't go flying when the so much as touch. But it wouldn't look anything like a production car. They have hit the wall with what they have, hasn't mattered much low or high downforce the cars are too aero dependent for the speeds they run.
     
  10. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Crew Chief

    While I may not agree with you I really appreciate your candor. I remember you saying you found some of last year’s racing sleep inducing and think this year things will be better.

    I am looking forward to seeing what the rules look like during a real race.
     
  11. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Crew Chief

    The cars Nascar uses now don’t look anything like a production car. I think 1989-90 was the last year anything looked like it was a production model.
     
  12. Ventisca

    Ventisca Crew Chief Contributor

    Very entertaining, but I can’t wait for the Daytona 500 to get the focus on racing action. :)
     
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  13. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Good eye.
    The front straightaway at Las Vegas is about 1800 feet. How long does it take to drive that distance?
    6.5 seconds at 189 mph
    6.9 seconds at 178
     
  14. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    At least you admit you can see the difference. That's what the argument was. I'm all for better racing.
     
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  15. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    They do not hold the same speed the whole way down the straightaway. That is the flaw with your statement.
     
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  16. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Crew Chief

    Holding an exact speed down the straightaway does not seem likely.
     
  17. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    your flaw is not knowing that there are two seconds difference in lap speeds
    I'll do the math for ya.
    1/3 second slower down the straight times two, = two thirds of a second slower for the straights, so 4 thirds of a second left for both of the corners divided by 2 = 2/3rds of a second in each corner and it all adds up to two seconds slower. But here is the bottom line for many of ya
    The takeaway: If you’re one of those people who’s already convinced that the cars are going to be slower and it’s going to ruin your enjoyment of the sport, it’s very likely that this is exactly what is going to happen.
     
  18. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    They're faster in the corners though...

    More downforce = increased corner speed
     
  19. Old 97

    Old 97 Team Owner

    Well....…. It was fun while it lasted.
    Thanks for playing along!
    This thread made it for quite awhile until the same typical BS with the same typical players ensued.
    Carry on...………..
     
  20. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    yep about .337= three hundred and 37 thousands of a second accordinding to these figures for the old package, it is faster..two seconds faster overall around the 1'5 mile track. I wouldn't bank on the cars matching these testing figures after the teams work on the package for awhile, but I am sure opinions will vary
    • If you drove at last year’s pole speed (188.1 mph), it would take 6.524 seconds to make it all the way from Turn 4 to Turn 1.
    • If you drove at the top speed in the testing session (178.885 mph), it would take you 6.861 seconds.
     
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  21. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    Um what? How can they be faster in the corners than 2018, and only 1/3 of a second slower down the straights than in 2018, and it come out to 2 seconds slower? You using that new common core stuff?
     
  22. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    you either aren't reading the figures properly or who knows what.
     
  23. Larsonfan1995

    Larsonfan1995 Team Owner

    The 2019 package cars are faster in the corner than the 2018 package cars. They are NOT 2/3 of a second slower per corner. Center of the corner speeds are now higher.

    That means that the difference in each straightaway is at least 1 second.
     
  24. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    not true
     
  25. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    Mr. Vittie's "run what ya brung" solution for Nascar...
     
  26. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    you could be right, I was obviously using average lap speeds for both. A simple way of looking at it is last fall they were running 190, the test they were running 180 ave laps. I hazard to guess there are some eagle eyes here that think they can tell the 10 mph difference and will swear to the fact.
     
  27. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    LOL. The real "nonsensical" would be a Nascar world with a higher budget for pit guns than for (spec) engines, ha ha ha. I'm done. This was a fun thread for a while... until the usual happened.
     
  28. Ventisca

    Ventisca Crew Chief Contributor

    IDK

    TRL gave warnings and sometimes told you why she “wronged you” — that made it kinda personal, but it was more open.

    The Avatar-less Mods are quietly going about their business of cleaning up the chat room for the benefit of this humble community. Less personal.

    Just two different styles — I guess we deserve the Mods we get...
     
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  29. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    If it stops the "Family feud", I am all for it. Pisses me off to have to scroll through all that sh!t.
    Three people more worried about what one guy says under what name than what happens on the race track. Cut out the :bsflag:
     
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  30. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Crew Chief

    IMO he is correct.
     
  31. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Crew Chief

    IDK who the moderators are on the forum and I don’t need to know. IMO it would behoove you guys to worry far more about yourselves and far less about me.
     
  32. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Crew Chief

    Different opinions are fine but going to pieces over them isn’t.
     
  33. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Crew Chief

    I think some people incorrectly assume that if they don’t care for the content or style of a post it should not be permissible. IMO if a person feels that way they should ignore the posts/member instead of engaging them.
     
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  34. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    ^ Common denominator in all of these “disputes”.

    You, sir, should have been perma-banned the first time.
     
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  35. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    I've never understood why people feel compelled to respond to a complete stranger on the Internet, when they'd avoid that stranger if he or she was in Wal-mart's produce section spouting off about the collard greens. In both cases all it takes is ignoring him or her, if not permanently then at least for the duration of the subject.
     
  36. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Crew Chief

    What you say makes perfect sense and there are people that I ignore for a variety of reasons.
     
  37. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    what rules. :XXROFL:
     
  38. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Crew Chief

    JMO but what I think what you are doing now is not working for you so why not try ignoring the offending member? Quit trying to be a de facto moderator and allow them to do the job. Do your thing and enjoy yourself and leave the rest up to those in charge.
     
  39. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    :XXROFL:
     
  40. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Crew Chief

    Don’t worry.....be happy!!!!
     

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