SILLY SEASON 2018

Looks like Toyota let the good one get way and kept the wrong one. I don't see that Bell has shown much talent, for having the best equipment in the field.

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Taco said:
Looks like Toyota let the good one get way and kept the wrong one. I don't see that Bell has shown much talent, for having the best equipment in the field.

Tell me why I am wrong!
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Super hard to judge
 
Bell is really good and was great in the lower series and comparable with Byron there, but comparing truck records, Byron smoked him and now is equal at this point to what Jones did his first year in Xfinity. Byron smoked Jones's record in the trucks. Nothing is dead certain, but Hendrick has himself a real good chance at having a top runner for the future.
 
I've always thought NASCAR doesn't really have a sponsorship problem since the teams have so many ways they can cut money. As long as there are two cars around there will be racing, and there has to be a threshold at which sponsors are willing to put their logo on a car.
 
Orange Cone has a cryptic tweet about RCR with a manufacture change.

 
I think Allen is correct in that some of Nascar's teams have a pricing problem that manifests itself as a sponsorship problem. You can sell anything to anybody but the perceived value has to equal or exceed the ask or no one will bite. I have no idea what Matt Kenseth's salary is per year but lets say it is 6 million bucks. If he takes an 80% haircut in pay that means that he will have to drive for a little over a million next year and at his age is it worth doing? He has nothing left to prove so why not just head home to Wisconsin and show up again when his HOF nomination comes through?
 
I heard Kurt Busch might be close to retirement. If that is case, just speculation on my part, Matt Kenseth will take on the #41 ride while Cole Custer continues to get more experience in Xfinity and Kenseth can decide when he wants to retire. Of course #10 would also be open if the rumor of Danica retiring is true, and it seems like Aric Almirola seems like the most likely candidate at the time if he brings over Smithfield.
 
I doubt Kurt retires if they find sponsorship for the 41 and he can stay at SHR.

If that falls through and his choices are retire or drive for peanuts at some **** team I think he'd hang it up.
 
Cholo said:
I doubt Kurt retires if they find sponsorship for the 41 and he can stay at SHR.

If that falls through and his choices are retire or drive for peanuts at some sh!t team I think he'd hang it up.
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This rumor said something similar to Carl Edwards, that he would just be done and that he is content with everything he has done. It might be likely after he won the Daytona 500 since he was a champion so early in his career and gained his redemption.
 
From what Allen has said it is entirely possible that SHR will run 2-3 cars next year and perhaps HMS could be in a position where they run 3 cars. Unless DP can come up with a sponsor she is likely history after this year and if Kenseth can sign on with someone Allen has said it will be for 20% of what he is making now.

My crystal ball says that DP is terminated and the 10 car is also gone as well. Matt and Junior retire, Kurt can't get a ride, Paul Menard takes his ride buying to Penske, Kasey Kahne finishes his contract in the 5 car and some youngster gets the 88/25 ride.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
From what Allen has said it is entirely possible that SHR will run 2-3 cars next year and perhaps HMS could be in a position where they run 3 cars. Unless DP can come up with a sponsor she is likely history after this year and if Kenseth can sign on with someone Allen has said it will be for 20% of what he is making now.

My crystal ball says that DP is terminated and the 10 car is also gone as well. Matt and Junior retire, Kurt can't get a ride, Paul Menard takes his ride buying to Penske, Kasey Kahne finishes his contract in the 5 car and some youngster gets the 88/25 ride.
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If not terminated, decides to call it a career, I believe there has been some rumors that she is ready to move on and focus on her brand/clothing line.
 
jws926 said:
If not terminated, decides to call it a career, I believe there has been some rumors that she is ready to move on and focus on her brand/clothing line.
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What I heard her say is that it is her desire to continue racing but that was a couple of weeks ago so things may have changed.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
What I heard her say is that it is her desire to continue racing but that was a couple of weeks ago so things may have changed.
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Maybe there wasnt a lot of truth to that rumor so who knows.
 
Allenbaba said:
Yeah. They've been tooling around with Dodge for a while now (almost two years). Doesn't mean anything will happen, just means there's exploration.
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According to a Redditor who knows people in the industry, and apparently someone working on a Chevrolet team told him RCR has not been involved in the development of the 2018 Chevy Model. I'm obviously not 100% sure if this source is reliable, but based off his post history, he does seem like he has legit connections. With all this going on at the same time they are apparently doing R&D with Dodge, I'm wondering if the talks are further ahead than we think. Not to mention these rumors and new manufacturer discussion are surfacing around the time Dodge would have to get NASCAR approval on it's body model if they wanted to run by the 2019 season. We also know SHR complained about not getting enough GM support even as the #2 team which contributed to them leaving for Ford, would have to guess RCR might be getting even less than they did.
 
meetthesharpies said:
According to a Redditor who knows people in the industry, and apparently someone working on a Chevrolet team told him RCR has not been involved in the development of the 2018 Chevy Model. I'm obviously not 100% sure if this source is reliable, but based off his post history, he does seem like he has legit connections. With all this going on at the same time they are apparently doing R&D with Dodge, I'm wondering if the talks are further ahead than we think. Not to mention these rumors and new manufacturer discussion are surfacing around the time Dodge would have to get NASCAR approval on it's body model if they wanted to run by the 2019 season. We also know SHR complained about not getting enough GM support even as the #2 team which contributed to them leaving for Ford, would have to guess RCR might be getting even less than they did.
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According to a friend that works for FCA, they wanted to be back for the 2018 season, but we when talked( Dec) there was no team yet, we guessed CGR , as both of us did not see RCR leaving the bowtie, but seems we might of been wrong.
 
we knew last year kenseth would probably be the odd man out. Barney visser said it would be highly unlikely that eric jones would run more than 1 year. That told me that gibbs had plans at moving a driver. The most likely candidate was kenseth due to his age. If drivers are having to take an 80% pay cut maybe driving in the cup series isn't all that cool anymore. from my understanding even the lowest tier drivers usually made 40-50% of the purse. and 80% paycut means they aint getting much cut of the winnings anymore. These guys are probably thinking they can do something else for the half million or so a year they would be making which would be reduced to half that after taxes and all the travel they do. I mean does that even pay for the fuel to run the private jet anymore? umm no, with that kind of paycut the private jet is sold. If your a veteran that has been around for a while, won some races, been used to making 5-6 million a year, your traveling nearly every week of the year. then you get told guess what IF we even have any money to run your car next year we are only going to pay you 500k to run it. I think retirement looks like a pretty good alternative. I think that is the scenerio that led to biffle saying piece out. Its simply not worth it anymore. part of me thinks roush is going to resurge, they had to trim the fat a LONG time ago. maybe they are used to it now.
 
IDK how driver remuneration works but if I were a team owner I would base the driver's salary on small percentage of the sponsorship money I knew I had. If sponsorship monies went up or down so would the amount reflected in the driver's pay packet. The rest of the driver's earning would be based on how they performed so they would receive X amount of dollars for a win, top 5 and 10's so if they finished 30th they would not get much for the afternoon's work.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
IDK how driver remuneration works but if I were a team owner I would base the driver's salary on small percentage of the sponsorship money I knew I had. If sponsorship monies went up or down so would the amount reflected in the driver's pay packet. The rest of the driver's earning would be based on how they performed so they would receive X amount of dollars for a win, top 5 and 10's so if they finished 30th they would not get much for the afternoon's work.
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Part of what your saying is true about top 5's and wins. Even crew chiefs are bonused that way. I think most drivers deals are tied to sponsorship. But some of the very stable teams don't demand sponsorship. For example we don't know if kasey,s deal has anything about that. Clint was signed without sponsorship. Who knows though if your an owner you probably want a must find sponsorship clause, then if it came to that you can always let a driver go, I would want that no matter what deal I had with a sponsor, if I am an owner.
 
Always good to look at the situation. Haas is the world leader in numerical control machines, Hendrick owns over 50 dealerships, Penske employs over 10,000 employees. Their situations with drivers are going to be different than other team owners.
 
Wonder what kind of loyalty Dewalt has to Matt and how long they are signed up with Gibbs....because if Matt could take them with him to SHR or Hendrick its a no brainer.
 
Fordracing7 said:
Wonder what kind of loyalty Dewalt has to Matt and how long they are signed up with Gibbs....because if Matt could take them with him to SHR or Hendrick its a no brainer.
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you got that right. Like Jr said if Kenseth wants to race next year he will be able too. He has long ties with many sponsors, some sponsors who probably would like to see him on a different team. I bet he has had some phone calls.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
From what Allen has said it is entirely possible that SHR will run 2-3 cars next year and perhaps HMS could be in a position where they run 3 cars. Unless DP can come up with a sponsor she is likely history after this year and if Kenseth can sign on with someone Allen has said it will be for 20% of what he is making now.

My crystal ball says that DP is terminated and the 10 car is also gone as well. Matt and Junior retire, Kurt can't get a ride, Paul Menard takes his ride buying to Penske, Kasey Kahne finishes his contract in the 5 car and some youngster gets the 88/25 ride.
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Or.. Kenseth to the 10 for half the money Danica makes.. would still be more than the 20% he would make elsewhere and the 10 team stays there for half the price.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Or.. Kenseth to the 10 for half the money Danica makes.. would still be more than the 20% he would make elsewhere and the 10 team stays there for half the price.
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Would it be worth it for Matt to continue working for a fraction of what he is earning now and who would sponsor the 10 team?
 
Haas already left the door open for outside orders the last time he spoke about his four car team. I don't see him getting rid of Kurt, he's going to the playoffs this year and running decent. If Danica can string together some sponsorship and she wants to go next year, I bet she stays. Haas isn't hurting for money when he says something like if he can only lose like 14 million with his F-1 team he will be doing ok with the increases in sales over in Europe.
 
It will be interesting to see what happens at SHR next year as will Gene say "uncle" and get his cars outside sponsorship at a discounted rate, will he drop to 2-3 cars or will he keep the status quo?
 
ahhculdee said:
This rumor said something similar to Carl Edwards, that he would just be done and that he is content with everything he has done. It might be likely after he won the Daytona 500 since he was a champion so early in his career and gained his redemption.
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If Kurt retires it's probably more to do with being tired of the travel and sponsor / media obligations than it is driving.
 
Cholo said:
If Kurt retires it's probably more to do with being tired of the travel and sponsor / media obligations than it is driving.
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he married a gal that is mega rich this time. I don't know if she can handle a gun or not.:p I bet they do plenty of traveling to exotic places. He only has two primary sponsors for the most part, Monster and the guy he works for split the races who is the primary and who is the secondary.
 
Taco said:
Looks like Toyota let the good one get way and kept the wrong one. I don't see that Bell has shown much talent, for having the best equipment in the field.

Tell me why I am wrong!
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There is always a chance to be wrong. Team chemistry and the driver/CC being on the same page is so important that we just never know why a driver excels over another. ( Truex is the greatest example today) Why has Blaney won a race with a 1 horse team and yet Elliot hasn't? Is Blaney that much better? Are the WBS that much better? Or does Blaney and his CC have a better relationship than Chase does with his CC?
What ever your answer you will be partly right. :D
 
Team Penske said:
There is always a chance to be wrong. Team chemistry and the driver/CC being on the same page is so important that we just never know why a driver excels over another. ( Truex is the greatest example today) Why has Blaney won a race with a 1 horse team and yet Elliot hasn't? Is Blaney that much better? Are the WBS that much better? Or does Blaney and his CC have a better relationship than Chase does with his CC?
What ever your answer you will be partly right. :D
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yeah I see that with Bell, he's young for his age, does worse when his boss is racing with him, a lot more aggressive when he isn't around. If he gets on a team where he isn't competing with his boss and gets a crew chief he is comfortable with I think he will go to the top in whatever series he is in.
 
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