Silly Season 2020

Maybe if there was 40 full time cars (and 34-36 competitive ones) instead of like 36 full time cars we got now (and around 31 of them are competitive) like we have now. I forgot the charter system is the saving grace. :rolleyes:
 
AuzGrams said:
Maybe if there was 40 full time cars (and 34-36 competitive ones) instead of like 36 full time cars we got now (and around 31 of them are competitive) like we have now. I forgot the charter system is the saving grace. :rolleyes:
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Maybe you can come up with 20 million and start up a real competition beater team. :cool:
 
I was trying to be nice about it for the plug n players. :idunno: Not everybody has 20 mil to get started so a few can think it would change everything and everybody can have a competitive front running car. Nonsense IMO, it isn't even close to a perfect world. It is no longer knocking out the glass and the mufflers and signing up on the entry sheet in a 50 car field.
 
Maybe it's just me but I'm not a fan of alliances, satellite teams or whatever you want to call them. It's either one team using another to get around the 4 car limit or one team using another as it's driver development program. The only one that I can think of that's become successful when starting as a satellite team is SHR.

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wi_racefan said:
Maybe it's just me but I'm not a fan of alliances, satellite teams or whatever you want to call them. It's either one team using another to get around the 4 car limit or one team using another as it's driver development program. The only one that I can think of that's become successful when starting as a satellite team is SHR.

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yeah I am with ya. Leavine on his twitter said they are looking a getting rid of the alliances. Who knows if it would happen, I would think it would be hard to enforce. Maybe it could be about being able to buy standardized parts from an outside vendor and not the motherships? That could release some of the holds and costs involved.
 
Team Penske said:
Purchases - inventories = parts used. Not to hard to govern teams.
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I think ya missed the point. a standardized part would be say a front suspension tower. Every OEM makes them spend tons of money improving them for little return in speed. You have to be in a alliance and or have to pay the OEM's price to get the latest technology. A standard part for all would mean there would be more places to buy the part and a damn sight cheaper to buy it.
 
aunty dive said:
Maybe Dallara will start building the cars.
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I think that is exactly the scenario Leavine is tweeting about. I hope it does not happen, although I am a realist in terms of the economic forces facing team owners.
 
StandOnIt said:
I think ya missed t""he point. a standardized part would be say a front suspension tower. Every OEM makes them spend tons of money improving them for little return in speed. You have to be in a alliance and or have to pay the OEM's price to get the latest technology. A standard part for all would mean there would be more places to buy the part and a damn sight cheaper to buy it.
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"O O O O'Reilly, Auto Parts"
 
I haven't look for 2 or 3 years but the last time I did, the manufacturer of the front spindles used by every team in the garage offered 51 different combinations of left / right ...

Auto racing is ludicrously expensive and worse than that at the top levels. OEMs produce next to nothing in-house for these cars. The engine blocks are cast in Brazil, fer crassakes. Can't pay? Don't play.
 

Jack Roush
“The fewer systems in the car that we compete on from an engineering and development point of view, the lower the costs will be,” Jack Roush said of the same topic.
Currently, teams develop their own parts and pieces as a way of outperforming the competition. That becomes expensive in a hurry. Roush is also looking for common parts to be used across the industry.

Roger Penske

“I don’t think that a cap is necessarily — you’ll spend more time trying to manage it and regulate it,” stated NASCAR team owner Roger Penske.

“I think there’s common parts across the car which can be supplied by a manufacture or multiple manufactures. Which could take some costs out.”
"The only way to get the costs down are to run your engines for three or four races, the customer in the stands don't know if you've got a super, super driveshaft or not, or which of the four types of brakes we've got."
https://sportsnewsbay.com/roger-penske-jack-roush-talk-cutting-costs-in-nascar/
 
StandOnIt said:
Maybe you can come up with 20 million and start up a real competition beater team. :cool:
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I don't have 20 million, but I spend my hard earned money on attending quite a few races while the tracks continue to rack in a percentage of the pie that the teams really don't get. :idunno:
 
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StandOnIt said:
Jack Roush
“The fewer systems in the car that we compete on from an engineering and development point of view, the lower the costs will be,” Jack Roush said of the same topic.
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Which led to Robert Yates Racing getting sacrificed and disappearing into the ether to help the fortunes of Ford's main team, Roush Racing.
 
LewTheShoe said:
I think that is exactly the scenario Leavine is tweeting about. I hope it does not happen, although I am a realist in terms of the economic forces facing team owners.
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We already have crate Ilmor motors in one NASCAR series. You know, Ilmor, a specialist engine company owned by Roger Penske that does not make production car engines.
 
StandOnIt said:
They merged with Richard Petty racing, no one was harmed in the merge :rolleyes:
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When Ford forced the Roush and Yates engine departments to merge, my reaction was immediate of "they just killed the Yates race team". It took a few years, but that's pretty much what happened when it played out. That's what Yates always had going for it was they were top engine builders. Remove that advantage, and Roush destroyed them on every other front - money, drivers, cars.
 
Privateer said:
When Ford forced the Roush and Yates engine departments to merge, my reaction was immediate of "they just killed the Yates race team". It took a few years, but that's pretty much what happened when it played out. That's what Yates always had going for it was they were top engine builders. Remove that advantage, and Roush destroys them on every other front - money, drivers, cars.
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Yates was always known as having strong engines in their cars and came out of retirement after giving the racing team to his son and formed the engine department.
 
When does Christopher Bell "officially" get annouced to the 95. Got to think dominoes start falling after that?
 
ahhculdee said:
When does Christopher Bell "officially" get annouced to the 95. Got to think dominoes start falling after that?
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David Wilson mentioned an announcement at the end of the month about Toyota plans for next year....perhaps Darlington?
 
aunty dive said:
Auto racing is ludicrously expensive and worse than that at the top levels. OEMs produce next to nothing in-house for these cars. The engine blocks are cast in Brazil, fer crassakes. Can't pay? Don't play.
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I gave up when I heard Street Stock teams around here were paying $10k's to freshen up their motors...absolutely ****** ludicrous as you said.
 
I also am actually waiting on the track reshuffle but I guess that would fall under 2021. It has been a lot quieter in that regard than I thought, I thought we would hear some rumors of tracks getting ready to join Cup in that time frame, but its been pretty silent.
 
Snappy D said:
I also am actually waiting on the track reshuffle but I guess that would fall under 2021. It has been a lot quieter in that regard than I thought, I thought we would hear some rumors of tracks getting ready to join Cup in that time frame, but its been pretty silent.
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I don't see much happening myself. Nashville Fairgrounds seemed to get a lot of support and it's not happening.
 
donthaveanickname said:
Crazy to think JRM has been winless since February, but Allgaier is still the best driver in the house.
Guess he could also get a low-tier Cup ride if he wanted, but apparently he prefers a top-tier Xfinity ride.
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Gragson is overrated and the 8 has a revolving door of drivers. And Annett is a crappier Paul Menard.
 
AuzGrams said:
Gragson is overrated and the 8 has a revolving door of drivers. And Annett is a crappier Paul Menard.
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I’d take Brett Moffitt over Gragson right now. Sad that dude doesn’t have a full time Xfinity ride
 
JRM must be running for maximum profit this year with that line up of drivers.
Also you can see, HMS has no driver in the line up so JRM is on it's own as far as engineering goes. Could be a couple years before Junior has a top team again.
 
Team Penske said:
JRM must be running for maximum profit this year with that line up of drivers.
Also you can see, HMS has no driver in the line up so JRM is on it's own as far as engineering goes. Could be a couple years before Junior has a top team again.
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Rick owns part of JRM. I would think he is still providing some engineering.
 
Mike Crayne said:
Rick owns part of JRM. I would think he is still providing some engineering.
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Very true BUT he isn't in development mode where he is putting out an extra effort.
2019 is a season where HMS has to be focused on the cup side of things.
 
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