Silly Season 2020

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by StandOnIt, Apr 4, 2019.

  1. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner


    Inconsistency drives me absolutely crazy, and when Kahne was at HMS, he made be want to pull my hair out in frustration 90% of the time. When he was good, he was good, and when he was bad, he was ABYSMAL. On the other hand, perhaps my all time favorite stretch of racing fandom was in 1998, when Jeff Gordon scored 17 straight top five finishes and 23 out of 25. Even if he hadn't won a race in that stretch (He won 11), it would STILL have been the greatest run in NASCAR's modern era. I am also very fond of the 15 straight top 10's Harry Gant put together in 19984 to nearly snag a tittle.
     
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  2. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Oh, trust me, LFR will STILL be the B team. Maybe a vastly improved one, but still the B Team, just as Furniture Row was.
     
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  3. if jones has a breakout year I wonder if they would even still risk keeping him lest another team would try to scoop up Bell.
    just my 2 cents
     
  4. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Remember the Gator

    The first sentence sounds like an opinion to me, but it regards Jones performance, not JGR's management practices.

    The second is an exaggeration but isn't inaccurate, in my opinion. Do you disagree that JGR had dropped better drivers than Jones?
     
  5. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Remember the Gator

    I admit to a Kenseth fan's bias toward consistency :D
     
  6. Revman

    Revman 2X CHAMPION

    10 million for a veteran Champion or 500k for an up and comer? Looks like it worked out if this season is any indication. It isn’t always about talent....
     
  7. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Remember the Gator

    If you're referring to Kenseth, I've never questioned JGR's decision. At the time I posted I understood it and to a small extent I even agreed.

    Regardless of the reason for this decision or any others, regardless of whether it was a good or bad decision, do I understand you to be agreeing that on at least one occasion, JGR has cut a driver who has performed better for the team than Jones did in 2019? That's all I saw in SOI's post; you're the one who keeps bringing up the team's decision making.
     
  8. Revman

    Revman 2X CHAMPION

    Absolutely.
     
  9. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Remember the Gator

    Okay, that's all I'm backing. They've done it before.
     
  10. Revman

    Revman 2X CHAMPION

    This game would be different if it was just about talent.
     
  11. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Cassill out, Houff in at StarCom:

    A shame because I think Cassill did well for them, I wonder if Cassill moves back to Xfinity full-time? Also, Cassill has another year in his contract with the team...
     
  12. DaBiff1618

    DaBiff1618 Team Owner

    “Up and coming talent” this is team gibberish for “he brings money”
     
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  13. donthaveanickname

    donthaveanickname Team Owner

    That's sad and beyond stupid. :mad: StarCom has really improved over the last two years and Houff will be a huge downgrade for them.
    I hope Cassill goes full-time with Morgan's Xfinity team.
     
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  14. kkfan91

    kkfan91 Taking a 10-200

    Man Cassill has so much talent but never gets the chance to show it. It be nice if he could land a decent truck or Xfinity ride.
     
  15. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner

    Pay-to-play.

    Sounds like they will honor Landon’s deal in some capacity but how remains TBA. At the very least Landon should have a decent Xfinity ride. Taking the S&P Shepherd ride to where it finished at Homestead was no small feat.
     
  16. donthaveanickname

    donthaveanickname Team Owner

    That was borderline sensational. Top 15 and just one lap down in an old car with 30+ races on it is a great accomplishment. Landon also qualified 9th with that car at Vegas.
     
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  17. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

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  18. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    It's a backmarker ride.

    People are really outraged?

    It's not like Quin Houff is replacing William Byron at Hendrick.
     
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  19. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    Timmy Hill has had some sensational runs in the XFINITY Series this year too.

    And unlike most drivers in that tier, Cassill has had top-tier rides in the past and not delivered results.
     
  20. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Top tier rides when? He was in a JRM car for a couple of races, he was a development driver for them. That's about all I can remember.

    The only half-decent ride he had was FRM, but he did not fare that well in the 38. Cassill is a solid driver, nothing special, but he helped Johnny Davis out quite a bit when he was driving the 01 car. Everyone talks about Chastain, but Cassill was a huge part of JDM making strides quickly after 2015 onwards.

    I can see him helping a smaller team in Xfinity getting a start and needing a good shoe. I'd like to see him actually get a full-season in something good in the Xfinity series. Him in the 89 or maybe a second car for Sieg or Brandonbuilt would be cool. I think Cassill just did not have the sponsorship backing to stay in the 00. He's a good steady hand for any team IMO.
     
  21. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    Cassill is good, but he's not Superman like some are making him out to be. And Quin Houff isn't as bad as people are making him out to be either.
     
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  22. donthaveanickname

    donthaveanickname Team Owner

    That was 10 years ago. He got a few Xfinity races with JRM when he was 18 and that was the last time Landon had a decent ride.
     
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  23. I had heard a rumor that Spire was also going to partner with StarCom for 2020 along with Houff going fulltime in a car but that seems to not be happening anymore. Gutted for Cassill.
     
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  24. Kiante

    Kiante Team Owner

    Never said Houff was bad, I'm not making Cassill out to be a superhuman, but his career has been a case of bad timing. It happens, but I'd like to see him get a good enough car for a full season. If, Morgan Shepard can get enough for a full-season, I'd like to see what he can do in the 89, for sure.
     
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  25. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    Not overly impressed with Houff, but Cope probably needs the money to stay somewhat competitive.
     
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  26. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    Also, Quin Houff is NOT a rich kid.

    And he's a better driver than y'all are making him out to be.
     
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  27. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    yeah sorry, talent and Cassill in the same sentence? Unless it's talent that he can not push and keep the fenders on the car, that is a sort of talent.
     
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  28. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    Some of these drivers should take notes from Ryan Preece if they're so convinced of their talent. Instead of having to run full-time in Cup and XFINITY, maybe they should save up and get a three-race deal with Gibbs or something and impress with a top-five.`
     
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  29. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    "He was only 18," presented by the same sport that ****mouthed Todd Gilliland and Harrison Burton for not winning at 18.
     
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  30. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    Examples of such? A top 15 at Bristol in the Xfinity Series?

    The Spire car doesn't show much for sure.
     
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  31. DaBiff1618

    DaBiff1618 Team Owner



    Yeah because Landon Cassill went winless in 2 full seasons in the best equipment in trucks. One of these is not like the other
     
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  32. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    Todd Gilliland has a win and would've had more if not for some bad luck.

    I get that everyone thinks Landon Cassill is The Real Deal, but he's not the first nor will he be the last to not get to show his true potential in this sport.

    Quin Houff isn't a rich kid either. And he's a good driver, possibly a better driver than Cassill. If this was literally anyone else losing their ride, nobody would care. But, because it's Landon Cassill, people think a seven-time champion was ousted by Casey Atwood.

    And we're talking about StarCom.
     
  33. AndyMarquisLive

    AndyMarquisLive Short Track Fanatic

    Two wins in the CARS Super Late Model Tour - one in an extraordinary race at Tri-County and another at Southern National. I was at both races BTW, so try me.
     
  34. Revman

    Revman 2X CHAMPION

    Furniture Row wasn't a B team. If you listen to the blab around here, you would know that this was the problem that led to the overcharging which the owner denied, but this board insists exists.
     
  35. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Sure they were. That's why they were ultimately expendable. As long as TRD could move the two stars of that operation over to the mothership, FRR were no longer worth expending any resources on. If Bell is the real deal, sooner than later TRD will bring him home too, and if LFR is 'lucky" they might get tasked to groom Hamlin's replacement for when he retires. Wash, rinse, repeat.
     
  36. Revman

    Revman 2X CHAMPION

    B team won the championship. I know, I know.....that's why the evil master put them out of business. Whatevs. Yawn. Chris Bell will have equal equipment to JGR....and everything in terms of data that comes with it. LFR has never been in better shape. Leavine is over the moon with the arrangement. TRD is happy. All good.
     
  37. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    they sure looked like a B team to me, and one that wasn't supposed to do that well. How else do you explain ordering Truex to give the lead away at Indy to the jackass. Even Truex wasn't dumb enough to know that preacher was manipulating the race and personally I don't believe and probably half of fandom didn't believe ol KDB would have given it back. So after that kerfuffle, preacher goes and shows Barney's team who's boss and jerks away a couple of pit crew members who were on Barney's payroll. Anybody else would be mad as hell loosing part of their team, but not ol Barney, not a word.
     
  38. AuzGrams

    AuzGrams Team Owner

    I wasn't arguing with you, calm down. I don't follow the CARS Tour on a week to week basis but I know there's talent.

    I just don't see why Houff doesn't take his money to a more competitive Truck or X team instead of the 32nd best Cup car on track.
     
  39. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I have to go with better pay, more exposure, and better competition every time. Sure seems to play out that way, ya don't see too many taking a good Xfinity over a slower cup ride unless it is desperation because there isn't a cup ride available.
     
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  40. Fordracing7

    Fordracing7 2018 Pick em Champion

    Landon sucks, if he was better people would of hired him.
     

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