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Need some rope/or string...wait? I have string. Need to tie off all the tools. Don't have a toolbelt. I wouldn't wear one if I did. Barely can drag my butt up ladder, sure couldn't with 30-40lbs of stuff tied to my waist. Five years of recliner gymnastics has done me in. The original threat was to go to the gym in Feb/March/April and try to get even a little strength/flexibility. But instead I started buying and cobbling materials together.
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Gonna bust a move today. It's time to either do it or quit.
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Got pretty breezy & didn't seem like hang-gliding with OSB sheets was a good choice. Did stuff some of the old Older OSB up into the loft area. Need a surface to walk on so my bunghole doesn't shrink so much.
Really not so sure ever gonna get this finished.
Really not so sure ever gonna get this finished.
If you finish it, you’ll have nothing to do.
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Seriously considering trashing the gambrel roof. Start over with 4/12 or 5/12 pitch regular style rafters with ridge down center. Old school. 4/12 is something around 18*. Pretty flat. I can handle that. Think that's the pitch of the upper part of the ones on shed now.
22ish feet of space. I don't need 22 feet of loft. And my dizziness is gonna get me killed trying to do this roof. Be maybe 200 bucks of materials plus couple sheets of siding if can't reclaim the gable ends? Likely going to end up cutting the floor out or just covering it with treated plywood. The 3/4 OSB already has a soft spot. Been wet too many times. Gonna get wet again over next couple days.
Laid down on ground to put a support board under the soft spot. Got horribly sick/dizzy when I stood up. How can I sleep without getting sick? Don't understand.
22ish feet of space. I don't need 22 feet of loft. And my dizziness is gonna get me killed trying to do this roof. Be maybe 200 bucks of materials plus couple sheets of siding if can't reclaim the gable ends? Likely going to end up cutting the floor out or just covering it with treated plywood. The 3/4 OSB already has a soft spot. Been wet too many times. Gonna get wet again over next couple days.
Laid down on ground to put a support board under the soft spot. Got horribly sick/dizzy when I stood up. How can I sleep without getting sick? Don't understand.
KTMLew01
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I have to try to get an 8 foot sheet of OSB on the gambrel. Be doing it with winch from 50ish foot distance to hide. Long as it doesn't get stuck should work. Maybe.
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Stuff like this is why not getting anything done. Youtube is addictive. I like this guys thought process. Seems like a pretty solid dude.
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It go up. It come down. Faster.
When it started to transition over the knee to upper part yanked chunk out of the OSB. It was probably 6 inches over the knee when it failed so wasn't hung up. Sheets for upper need to be 47ish anyway so no loss. And lower probably 44 inches. Would have to maybe use couple 3 foot sections of 2x4 bolted on top of each other. Clamp the edge of OSB? Or just hire some young dumb full of cum dudes to do it. My brave buddy Wally says nothing to it. Easy. Not for me! I bet he's done exactly as many gambrel roofs ALONE as I have. ZERO!
It's very possible this OSB is just old and junk. VERY possible. Like me.
Somebody that isn't scared to death could probably use this method to get the sheet up on first section, then grab it and pull it rest of the way. Me no gonna do that. I'll fall. 100% guarantee it.
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I suppose there's also the problem of force angle. Need the pulley waaaay up in the air. And yes I know the cable was running across a 2x4. It's paid for. It's just a brace tying the rafters together @ 24 inch centers. Need to take it down anyway.
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If you had two people, drag it up like pictured, go up the ladders and push it up onto top section. THEN JUMP!
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Meh. Started to post some drivel/ideas. Nah.
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Think above idea will work. If put blocks to catch the OSB put six on peak section. Once peak is done can drag them up ladder with winch with no problem. Probably bolt/screw a 2x4 to edge so it doesn't rip out. Put board on top so won't be in the way. Or do the sling method of some sort. Like to get one up on peak and see exactly how much needs trimmed. With the angles might only need slight tapering.
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Spent $170ish bucks on restraint system and 4 roof jacks. Between the 5 of them...I'll still be scared as fawk! Considering putting permanent restraint loops on roofline about 6 foot from each end. Make it easier for whomever gets to fix the leaks.
My #1 question is: If you feel the need to use a restraint system, once the roof is finished and you disconnect the rope at roof line, is it OK to call the fire department to pluck you off then? Because getting on the ladder is what scares me.
My #1 question is: If you feel the need to use a restraint system, once the roof is finished and you disconnect the rope at roof line, is it OK to call the fire department to pluck you off then? Because getting on the ladder is what scares me.
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Roof jacks do not go to 90 degrees. Wanted to attach to outside of wall about 6 inches down from top plate. Would provide a resting place for that section of OSB and a place to stand for nailing said OSB. Nope. Have to cobble something together. Hmmmm? Have some angle iron. Maybe can adapt them to work as I wanted? Set to 90 and bolt angle in. I'll think on it.
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When latched to that hole will fit the steep section if roof. But not on the wall. Can bolt 8ish inch piece of angle in and make it work though. First two are where I want it but arm isn't latched in hole. Last two is where it would be with it latched. Only gets flatter from there.
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This may help some understand the purpose. Need to go steal neighbors couch cushions though.
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Gonna try to drag OSB on the roof. Again. Hmmm? Maybe go get some small cable clamps. Have couple garage door cables can use as a leash. Just need to be able to attach it. One end has a loop other has a barrel. Need two loops.
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Only thing that got drug is my ass. Did trim inch off 6 sheets of OSB for 47 inch upper/peak section and 4 inches off three sheets for 44 inch lower, need 6 of each. Have two 2013 date code sheets left. Think will buy three more newish/er. Hung winch up in the loftish space. Still thinking how to latch onto a sheet to drag up w/o yanking chunks out unexpectedly.
Didn't get any cable clamps. Didn't attempt to get any cable clamps. Thought about attempting to get cable clamps but made no real attempt to get cable clamps. Unless thinking about attempting to get cable clamps COUNTz as actually attempting to get cable clamps. I'm more tired than I was before I remembered I didn't get cable clamps. Not only did I NOt get...
Didn't get any cable clamps. Didn't attempt to get any cable clamps. Thought about attempting to get cable clamps but made no real attempt to get cable clamps. Unless thinking about attempting to get cable clamps COUNTz as actually attempting to get cable clamps. I'm more tired than I was before I remembered I didn't get cable clamps. Not only did I NOt get...
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Did NOt reattempt to get cable clamps. Actually WENT to Lowes and paid 9 freaking dollars for two 1/8" cable clamps. Then when got home realized...my procrastination creates a stack of 15 minute jobs that eventually creates a roadblock to getting the simplest of things done.
So I did some little stuff.
1. Fixed the vise. Cheap knock-off junk. The bolt kept falling out of the nut. After complete disassembly, thought possibly stripped the threads retaining bolt threads into, found the casting of the nut was as you would expect for a 75 dollar knock-off to the 5th degree, JUNK! Had enough parting line casting flash...it weren't ever gonna stay tight unless...broke out the grinder and make it flat/er. Stumbled onto a stud that has a raised section at middle. 10mm threads with a really nicely done 13mm step then 10mm threads again. Drilled hole in vise body to allow stud to pass thru snuggly. Drilling cast iron is fun. (Not. So. Much/it's grabby) Really need to get some Red Loctite and make it permanent. Mounted vise on porch bench temporarily. <this is always a mistake>
2. Modify roof jacks so they will do 90 degree angle by adding 11" ish brace of angle iron. Have cut-off discs for 4 inch grinder. The grinder I'd use for that...the nut has gone spelunking. Remember stumbling onto it here recently just don't remember exactly where. So off on another tangent.
3. Landlord/park owner showed up, he has serious carpentry skills, and I mentioned the old vintage 2013 OSB and he said, USE IT! Can't see it once shingles are on. I like the way he thinks! Trimmed those sheets to 44 inches for lower section. Will need one more sheet at best probably buy two so have spare if needed.
4. Have an el cheapo Hazzard Fright tool cart that bought used. They assembled it backwards for me. Either casters on wrong end or handle on wrong end. Handle much quicker/easier to move. I did it! Finally!
5. Notice haven't mentioned the cable clamps again? Got em. Just not sure how gonna use them. And my left kneecap thinks the nut for the grinder is stuffed under it. Been doing this for several months when getting out of recliner just not this bad. Prefers not to move at all without making me cry for just long enough to get everything put away. Rain is coming again.
6. One wheel regularly falls off air compressor. Tightened it again.
7/8/9. Pending.
So I did some little stuff.
1. Fixed the vise. Cheap knock-off junk. The bolt kept falling out of the nut. After complete disassembly, thought possibly stripped the threads retaining bolt threads into, found the casting of the nut was as you would expect for a 75 dollar knock-off to the 5th degree, JUNK! Had enough parting line casting flash...it weren't ever gonna stay tight unless...broke out the grinder and make it flat/er. Stumbled onto a stud that has a raised section at middle. 10mm threads with a really nicely done 13mm step then 10mm threads again. Drilled hole in vise body to allow stud to pass thru snuggly. Drilling cast iron is fun. (Not. So. Much/it's grabby) Really need to get some Red Loctite and make it permanent. Mounted vise on porch bench temporarily. <this is always a mistake>
2. Modify roof jacks so they will do 90 degree angle by adding 11" ish brace of angle iron. Have cut-off discs for 4 inch grinder. The grinder I'd use for that...the nut has gone spelunking. Remember stumbling onto it here recently just don't remember exactly where. So off on another tangent.
3. Landlord/park owner showed up, he has serious carpentry skills, and I mentioned the old vintage 2013 OSB and he said, USE IT! Can't see it once shingles are on. I like the way he thinks! Trimmed those sheets to 44 inches for lower section. Will need one more sheet at best probably buy two so have spare if needed.
4. Have an el cheapo Hazzard Fright tool cart that bought used. They assembled it backwards for me. Either casters on wrong end or handle on wrong end. Handle much quicker/easier to move. I did it! Finally!
5. Notice haven't mentioned the cable clamps again? Got em. Just not sure how gonna use them. And my left kneecap thinks the nut for the grinder is stuffed under it. Been doing this for several months when getting out of recliner just not this bad. Prefers not to move at all without making me cry for just long enough to get everything put away. Rain is coming again.
6. One wheel regularly falls off air compressor. Tightened it again.
7/8/9. Pending.
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Knee seems to have fixed it self. Ordered a nut & wrench for the grinder. Probably have them @ Tractor Supply or Northern but I hate leaving the house. Really don't like driving all that much anymore. Seem to miss cars that sneak up on my left in multi lane traffic. Little scary when start to switch lane and find it's occupied. Getting old isn't for the young or something like that.
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Temporarily covered the side door. Put plastic on center part of roof. Rain be coming of course.
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Only thing I did was cut stuff and helped with the 8 foot sections of lower part. Rest of it was done by Hispanic neighbor. He got home early and asked me when I was gonna start on the roof. Said about there. He said let's do it. So he did. I mostly just handed him tools. He's the climber at work so wasn't anything for him. Next have to finish overhang, drip edge, underlayment & shingles. Then about 12 tubes of caulking to seal up the poorly engineered framing/siding. Then paint and some custom wheels. Maybe even spinners.
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Didn't space the lower section like they say to do. Did 8-8-4-2. Should have been 8-4-8-3. But didn't have overhang ready and just decided to get the main structure covered. It'll be fine. I suppose next is go inside in the loft and nail the crap out of the rafters into the top plates. Maybe add the hurricane ties if they'll fit. The plastic used is holy. Not the religious kind. Tear holes. Better than nothing.
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Building didn't fall down or get prettier overnight. But closer to being finished. Rolls of underlayment on marketplace for 30 bucks each. Think gonna see if they respond. One of my rolls is pretty old and not sure how good it is so maybe grab a roll or two. 85ish dollars for each new at big box stores.
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Considering returning the restraint system and getting some butyl tape for the sheathing seams. Little gappage at some of the joints. Never did run strings over it to get everything perfectly lined up. Once shingles are on bet you can't tell it's poorly constructed. Did cut the underlayment into 12 foot strips. Figure can handle that small a roll on nearly vertical side sections. Just realized need another roll of underlayment. That's 85 bucks if don't hear from the guy on marketplace.
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Wish had bought another sheet of OSB instead of using that darker stuff. It's marked as 7/16 but guess the age has puffed it up some. It's slightly thicker. Not 1/2" but different. Really need to fabricate some trim to stuff up in the mini side overhang to have a place to nail that edge. Will have to rip full length of edge unless maybe use 1 x stuff. So far not much rain yet. Barely drizzling.
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Could use edge flashing to straighten the appearance. Need 100 feet I guess. Planned to use it at the hips anyway. Run shingles to hip, tack flashing to top section with it extending 3ish inches over lower section. Then continue shingles. That way don't bend shingle over the hip. Possibly need to run starter strips above both hips then? Guess find out when somebody with more roofing experience than I looks at it.
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Rain has never fully realized. Just drizzled slowly most of the day. Barely any leak considering the gaps between the sheets. Tomorrow return the restraint system & roof jacks as don't believe need either. Get one sheet of 7/16 OSB to finish overhang, some 1x4ish something for longitudinal trim which also allows some attachment of lower section of side overhangs. It's about 4" pf overhang. Probably completely unnecessary to attach it.
Need another roll of underlayment and package of shingle starter strip. Not 100% certain have enough packs of shingles to use one of them. Maybe need another tub of roofing nails? Once get someone that knows what they doing will recalculate. Likely do 6 nails per shingle on both lower sections due to angle of roof. Five nails on top section as pretty low pitch. Just looked at nail coils, two tubs, 600 count. Have several small boxes of loose nails. The coils are for nail gun. Loose...hammer...owww my thumb! Also have 1/2 box or so of cap nails. Roofing nails with a plastic washer.
Guess 1200 nails x 6 per would do 200 shingles? Is my math correct?
Need another roll of underlayment and package of shingle starter strip. Not 100% certain have enough packs of shingles to use one of them. Maybe need another tub of roofing nails? Once get someone that knows what they doing will recalculate. Likely do 6 nails per shingle on both lower sections due to angle of roof. Five nails on top section as pretty low pitch. Just looked at nail coils, two tubs, 600 count. Have several small boxes of loose nails. The coils are for nail gun. Loose...hammer...owww my thumb! Also have 1/2 box or so of cap nails. Roofing nails with a plastic washer.
Guess 1200 nails x 6 per would do 200 shingles? Is my math correct?
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After some serious calculating 1566 nails for 291 shingles. That's with 6 per. Calculated roof Sq.Ft. as 291. That's 9 ish packs. Let's go count. Great that won't need to remove my shoes for this one.
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Have 10 packs. So probably will need to buy starter strip so don't run out of shingles early.
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Ordered another 18 dollar tub of roofing nails. Now have 1800 for the gun. If get desperate, take the air compressor and go rob Food Lion for Klondike. I like ice cream.
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Have three of the red packaging seven of the blue. Opened and as guy that sold them said, appear identical. Architectural. Was unaware they have no glue strip. Or at least these don't. Maybe better do some research. They may be junk. Need another roll of underlayment. Half roll short. Got the sheet of OSB needed. Either but some 3 tab shingles to cut for starter strip or buy roll of starter strip. Definitely need at least two more packs of shingles.
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AI chat says no tar strip but uses adhesive...wait? Semantics? These don't appear to have anything remotely sticky...let me go throw one out in the sun and see what happens.
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Yeez...how do you know up from down on these?