Superstar Racing Experience

DIDIT said:
I am thinking Sammy Swindell. I first thought of Steve Kinser, but remembered I just saw him at Volusia and I don't think he is in racing shape any more. Sammy has run some NASCAR races, so there is that going for him.
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I would like to see that. Sammy is still racing full time so it would probably be hard for him to make all of the races. But they say they are going to run ringers so it could happen.
 
wi_racefan said:
Here's a list of guys I would have picked before MW. And in reality this is just nascar guys that I can think of. I'm sure the open wheel and dirt guys could add several other names.

1. Greg Biffle
2. Ken Schrader
3. Boris Said
4. Randy Lajoie
5. Matt Kenseth
6. Carl Edwards (dream)
7. Mark Martin
8. juan pablo montoya
9. marcos ambrose
10. Clint Bowyer
11. Ward Burton
12. Mike Skinner
13. Elliott Sadler
14. Sam Hornish Jr
15. Robby Gordon
16. Ron Hornaday jr.
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You assume they weren't approached. Maybe they aren't interested.
 
wi_racefan said:
Everyone on that list.....Yeah I'm assuming one of them would of said yes
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I'm assuming they wouldn't have said yes even if they all were approached. If they have a racing itch they can fill that on their own schedule at a local dirt or kart track without being in the public eye. With this series you're doing 6 weeks of travelling across the country, fulfilling media obligations, sponsor obligations, fans, etc. So why would they run SRX when most of these guys have more than enough money or are running businesses to live comfortably in their post-racing career?
 
Speedbowl14 said:
So why would they run SRX when most of these guys have more than enough money or are running businesses to live comfortably in their post-racing career?
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This is it. Cant fault them, once they make a certain amount of money no need to travel, deal with fans, be in the public eye or grind it out on the track. Adios. At least thats the way I'd think about it if I was in that position.
 
Snappy D said:
This is it. Cant fault them, once they make a certain amount of money no need to travel, deal with fans, be in the public eye or grind it out on the track. Adios. At least thats the way I'd think about it if I was in that position.
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Right and if they did want to race again they can do it at a grassroots level or take to the local road course on a track day or use their industry connections to do whatever the heck they want. No need to race in front of the cameras and fans for 6 weeks in the heat of summer on national television criss crossing the eastern half of the country.
 
ya think any of them are doing it for the fun of it? Eh, the money will be ok but being able to hang around and B.S. with the other racers and the trash talking and competing against each other has to be a big factor I would think.
 
StandOnIt said:
ya think any of them are doing it for the fun of it? Eh, the money will be ok but being able to hang around and B.S. with the other racers and the trash talking and competing against each other has to be a big factor I would think.
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I think all of them are doing it for fun. As the suggested non-participants, what they consider fun may have changed. What I consider fun certainly has over the years.
 
I always thought or been of the thinking money talks and bull$hit walks. But I am happy to see this series race, it'll be a nice alternative to what we will have going on. I can always be excited for yet more racing to watch.
 
When I see both MW and Marco in the same series
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Why smear your brand with that?

Before you’ve turned a wheel.
 
Clutch said:
I'd love to see Mayfield racing.

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There's a line beyond which returning is not possible. It moves around with time and social standards. Years ago Kyle Larson wouldn't have been anywhere near crossing it. Years from now, Jeremy Mayfield will still be over it.
 
aunty dive said:
Why smear your brand with that?

Before you’ve turned a wheel.
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Tony Stewart, the guy who is known for his physical altercations with other drivers on the track, with fans off the track, and who was publicly smeared with the Ward incident, is an owner of this series.

I think the series could handle a driver who the fans overwhelmingly believe got destroyed by NASCAR’s faulty illegal substance tests. Meanwhile the CEO of the sport that labeled Mayfield a meth addict was arrested for driving while intoxicated and was found with unprescribed pills.
 
aunty dive said:
Classic whataboutism.

Jeremy Mayfield is a pariah. Nobody is taking that on.
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Attaching “whataboutism” is an easy way of not addressing the issue. Mayfield was a scapegoat and was handed punitive damages by the actual abuser. Even the medical team responsible for NASCAR’s drug testing at the time was later discredited. The Mayfield Massacre and a podcast by Dinner with Racers is a great dive into these stories. Jeremy was not perfect in handling his career but every door he walked into was crooked.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Attaching “whataboutism” is an easy way of not addressing the issue. Mayfield was a scapegoat and was handed punitive damages by the actual abuser. Even the medical team responsible for NASCAR’s drug testing at the time was later discredited. The Mayfield Massacre and a podcast by Dinner with Racers is a great dive into these stories. Jeremy was not perfect in handling his career but every door he walked into was crooked.
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Pointing to the prior bad acts of Stewart and France does not address the issue. Whataboutism is the correct term for that.

www.google.ca

Jeremy Mayfield avoids jail time after plea deal

NEWTON, N.C. — Suspended NASCAR driver Jeremy Mayfield agreed to a plea deal Monday that will result in no jail time and that he hopes will lead to his eventual reinstatement to racing.
www.google.ca www.google.ca
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Supporting evidence, please. A statistical accurate fan poll will do nicely.
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I don’t believe polls have been done, it’s been over a decade. Although when Jeremy was accused, he basically told the media that the pot shouldn’t be calling the kettle black. A decade later and Brian France is arrested for driving while intoxicated and having illegal possession of oxycodone. Almost everywhere you look now on recent articles or comments, the perception has taken a huge sway toward’s Mayfield’s story.

If you want to take the liberty of conducting a public survey, be your guest.


aunty dive said:
tHe eleCTIoN waS sToLen.

Same people.
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Lmao speaking of whataboutism. Besides, the accusation is egregiously false. That’s an awfully large brush you hold.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Attaching “whataboutism” is an easy way of not addressing the issue. Mayfield was a scapegoat and was handed punitive damages by the actual abuser. Even the medical team responsible for NASCAR’s drug testing at the time was later discredited. The Mayfield Massacre and a podcast by Dinner with Racers is a great dive into these stories. Jeremy was not perfect in handling his career but every door he walked into was crooked.
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Step aside the NASCAR scapegoat and address his arrest for methamphetamine, dozens of guns and nearly $100,000 in stolen goods from another race team in his home.
Hey, I liked the guy and wondered if NASCAR was pulling something similar to what they did with Tim Richmond. But I am not so sure he is an innocent party here.
As far as Tony and the Ward incident, Tony is the only person who really knows what happened.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
A decade later and Brian France is arrested for driving while intoxicated and having illegal possession of oxycodone.
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BZF isn't coming back either. That's also changing the subject.

ChexOrWrex said:
If you want to take the liberty of conducti
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Why would I do the polling to support your position? You're the one who asserted most fans think Mayfield was innocent; you prove it. Debate 101.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
BZF isn't coming back either. That's also changing the subject.


Why would I do the polling to support your position? You're the one who asserted most fans think Mayfield was innocent; you prove it. Debate 101.
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I wasn’t aware this was a debate? Nobody is keeping score. Nobody is winning anything. This is the discussion part of the board. If you want a debate you can crawl into the emotional driven podium sewer.
 
DIDIT said:
Hey, I liked the guy and wondered if NASCAR was pulling something similar to what they did with Tim Richmond. But I am not so sure he is an innocent party here.
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Absolutely not. I believe it was a battle of exposing who was the least guilty.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Attaching “whataboutism” is an easy way of not addressing the issue.
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But they make themselves feel so morally superior when they jab with that little dagger.
It's lazy but it makes some of us chuckle. (No I don't have a link to prove that assertation)
 
Old 97 said:
But they make themselves feel so morally superior when they jab with that little dagger.
It's lazy but it makes some of us chuckle. (No I don't have a link to prove that assertation)
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Who is "they"?

If you're going to slag other forum members, point right at them or STFU.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
I wasn’t aware this was a debate? Nobody is keeping score. Nobody is winning anything. This is the discussion part of the board. If you want a debate you can crawl into the emotional driven podium sewer.
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Okay, I'll try a different approach.
ChexOrWrex said:
I think the series could handle a driver who the fans overwhelmingly believe got destroyed by NASCAR’s faulty illegal substance tests.
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Why do you think "fans overwhelmingly believe" Mayfield was screwed? I'm not asking how, why, or if he was screwed. I'm asking why you say 'fans overwhelmingly believe' it. What's your source?
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Okay, I'll try a different approach.

Why do you think "fans overwhelmingly believe" Mayfield was screwed? I'm not asking how, why, or if he was screwed. I'm asking why you say 'fans overwhelmingly believe' it. What's your source?
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In case you missed it.
ChexOrWrex said:
when Jeremy was accused, he basically told the media that the pot shouldn’t be calling the kettle black. A decade later and Brian France is arrested for driving while intoxicated and having illegal possession of oxycodone. Almost everywhere you look now on recent articles or comments, the perception has taken a huge sway toward’s Mayfield’s story.
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"When Jeremy was accused, he basically told the media that the pot shouldn’t be calling the kettle black." That doesn't sound like much a denial of wrongdoing to me. I'll just say that I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that NASCAR's people botched the drug test and then tried to cover for it, especially with the previously mentioned moron running the show, but it does not explain all of the other shenanigans he seemingly was involved in, and I have yet to see anybody make a convincing case for why anybody was out to get Jeremy. At the time all this went down, he was basically a non-entity as far as NASCAR was concerned. You're going to have to do better than he publicly embarrassed Ray Evernham to convince me. Tim Richmond was mentioned in one of the responses above. True, NASCAR did NOT handle that situation very well, BUT Tim refused to be up front about what the real situation was, so he's as guilty or more so than NASCAR was. That's kind of how I feel about Jeremy.
 
StandOnIt said:
Hell I tried. They didn't want to talk about the engine or pushrod lengths. I did get a rear seal comment though. :idunno:
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I was down for some sweet engine talk. I must have missed your effort to get things back on track, but I'll take your word for it.
 
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