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That is what it looks like, go ahead and laugh. All the tests say how great it is, but nobody buys them..they look like a family car. probably should look above dude..hard to argue with the numbers. go buy one and pay retail. Be happy.
 
If my dad sells me his 2008 Corvette for a dollar, does that mean all 2008 Corvettes are worth $1?

Again....I used your criteria (2-3 years) and posted the average price for those cars 3 years old. Your claim was way off.

StandOnIt said:
hard to argue with the numbers
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No kidding. :rolleyes:
 
StandOnIt said:
That is what it looks like, go ahead and laugh. All the tests say how great it is, but nobody buys them..they look like a family car. probably should look above dude..hard to argue with the numbers. go buy one and pay retail. Be happy.
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If nobody buys them why are there pre-owned models for sale I wonder?

They are a hard sale, but saying nobody buys them is just ignorant.
 
StandOnIt said:
That is what it looks like, go ahead and laugh. All the tests say how great it is, but nobody buys them.
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Well for one thing, high performance sedans are a niche market, two, production was limited by a number of factors, and three, GM never even TRIED to sell this car. As I said in an earlier post, my guess is 97% of the car buying public (including at least a few NASCAR fans) have no idea this car even existed. You can't blame the car for THAT. Very few people will ever buy the new ZR-1 Corvette. Doesn't mean it's not a great car and highly sought after.
 
StandOnIt said:
you don't even know what book they go by.
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LOL. Go buy a broke dick, salvage titled 2014 SS at auction for $23k so you can feel like you won the argument. Nobody cares about your imaginary values. Every comment you make is more irrelevant than the last, so at this point it's become clear that we've reached an impasse. The last word is yours. Make it a good one
 
StandOnIt said:
all cars are a niche market
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I'm not even sure what the hell that means, but I just looked at a list of the top 179 car models based on 2017sales, and the Dodge Charger was the first car on the list anywhere comparable to the SS at #20, and unlike the SS, it comes in more mundane versions and it's sales are also boosted by it's police car use. The police version of the SS is rare and is sold as a totally separate model. The top five cars on the list racked up sales 1,670,000 cars in 2017, a very off year in car sales. I don't see anything niche about that.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Damn thing was way too expensive and dealers in the US rarely had one on the lot. If you wanted one you had to wait 6-8 weeks for a factory order, which just adds more cost to the consumer.
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It seems GM did everything they could not sell the darn things , and god forbid you wanted the manual when they finally offered that it.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Ive always liked the style of the Chargers. Just wish they were a more quality product in comparison.


Not saying it looks bad, because GM did the best they had to work with - but that SS greenhouse with “Camaro” everything else makes it Frankenstein’s Monster ugly IMO.
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Right, its still the SS greenhouse, which is the same template for three makes( different window shapes of course ), so like you have pointed out, it is a SS with Camaro front/rear clip and hood, and the sides are bit different in some areas, it still looks 100 times better than that thing called the Camaro in the X Series.
 
I know I'm getting in here late but did Chase Elliot just try to convince me that that thing looks like a Camaro? Hahahaha!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!
Has he been hanging out and drinking with that Blaney kid again?
 
Old 97 said:
I know I'm getting in here late but did Chase Elliot just try to convince me that that thing looks like a Camaro? Hahahaha!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!
Has he been hanging out and drinking with that Blaney kid again?
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Whoa! Are you new here? You NEVER criticize Chase for anything. Don't go near Kyle Larson either. You must have missed the Orientation Session. :D
 
Revman said:
Whoa! Are you new here? You NEVER criticize Chase for anything. Don't go near Kyle Larson either. You must have missed the Orientation Session. :D
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LOL. I actually have a great disdain for the driver of the 18 car's attitude and actions so that makes up for it.
Hehehe
 
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Confusing design. Looks almost wrecked with the front end broken, but because Chase was driving, it must be a design element. He doesn't wreck....where the hell is Denny? Where is he?
 
Interested in seeing what lap times will be at Atlanta. Amazing how fast these cars are getting
 
Mispeedway15 said:
Interested in seeing what lap times will be at Atlanta. Amazing how fast these cars are getting
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Nascar took even more speed away with the rules tweek this year. I don't see increased speeds happening but I could be wrong. I don't know how much difference those changes really made. But common splitter, radiator, and less fans has to do something
 
StandOnIt said:
It is doing an imitation of Hamlin's car Phoenix edition
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Wouldn't be an imitation really. Hamlin was wrecked. Chase did it all by himself....errrr.....the car malfunctioned, of course. Sorry.
 
StandOnIt said:
Nascar took even more speed away with the rules tweek this year. I don't see increased speeds happening but I could be wrong. I don't know how much difference those changes really made. But common splitter, radiator, and less fans has to do something
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They will have the speed back before they lose it. You know that.
 
Revman said:
Wouldn't be an imitation really. Hamlin was wrecked.
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No, Chase put Hamlin in a difficult position, and Hamlin made a poor choice to continue to try to stay on the outside instead of lifting and regrouping.
 
Formerjackman said:
No, Chase put Hamlin in a difficult position, and Hamlin made a poor choice to continue to try to stay on the outside instead of lifting and regrouping.
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Hamlin's spotter disagrees with you, but I will play along...Chase wasn't put in a difficult situation. Just wrecked....errr.....malfunctioned.
 
Revman said:
Hamlin's spotter disagrees with you, but I will play along...Chase wasn't put in a difficult situation. Just wrecked....errr.....malfunctioned.
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Hamlin's spotter. Now THERE'S an unbiased opinion if I ever heard one. I freely admit that Chase put Denny between a rock and a hard place, but Denny didn't HAVE to try to stuff his car between Chase and the wall. Unprovoked, it would have kind of been a dick move on Chase's part, but Denny EARNED that one.
 
It's called racing. Accidents and wrecks will occur. Cars might be knocked into a spin or a wall by another driver. In the end, it all worked a certain way. Denny prevented Chase from advancing at Martinsville (though Chase had a good chance at Phoenix), and Chase prevented Denny from advancing at Phoenix. The only thing you can do is move on and race all other drivers like they race you. They race clean, you race them clean. They punt you into a wall or put you into a spin, let them know you aren't entirely pleased with the matter. I will say this though. Imagine back in 2015 instead of the feud being between Kenseth and Logano, it was instead between Little E and Kyle Busch. If Busch punts Jr. into a wall how many people would call for his head on a spike? Vise versa, how many would come to Jr.'s defense if he wrecked Busch? Because Chase was young, usually calm and collected, and turning into one of the top rising stars for NASCAR (let's not also forget Jeff Gordon won that 2015 Martinsville race as the last win of his career, meaning Chase winning that same fall race two years later would be a excellent twist of fate), most of the racing community (that I saw at least) wanted Chase to take revenge on Hamlin. Heck, what was Denny's home track turned into the biggest booing I have heard of a driver not named Kyle Busch in years. But anyways, it's over, and it's time to put those out of the main picture (they still make good subplots though).


tl;dr It's a new season. Someone will probably rub someone else the wrong way and will be back having this discussion again. Until then, this discussion is nearly 3 months old and might need to be put to bed.
 
Formerjackman said:
Hamlin's spotter. Now THERE'S an unbiased opinion if I ever heard one. I freely admit that Chase put Denny between a rock and a hard place, but Denny didn't HAVE to try to stuff his car between Chase and the wall. Unprovoked, it would have kind of been a dick move on Chase's part, but Denny EARNED that one.
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Do you know Chris Lambert? I've just never seen any of the homer stuff from him about anything....ever. Did you hear what he said?
 
Revman said:
Do you know Chris Lambert? I've just never seen any of the homer stuff from him about anything....ever. Did you hear what he said?
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I'm sure I heard it at the time, but have no recollection of it. The point is, one of the jobs of a spotter and a crew chief on the radio is to support their guy, and to generally go along with the driver's version of events, especially because they know others are listening. It would be EXTREMELY out of the ordinary for a spotter to tell his driver he screwed up. He might do it later in the trailer, but not on the radio during the race. I'll turn the question around by saying did you hear what some of the other crew chiefs and spotters who had no dog in the fight said about Martinsville? They didn't seem to have a doubt about who was at fault.
 
Elliott bumped Hamlin three times over a couple laps to let him know he was faster. Don't need a spotter to know what that was about. It is usually twice and the third time Rick gets to scream AROUND GOES.
 
Formerjackman said:
I'm sure I heard it at the time, but have no recollection of it. The point is, one of the jobs of a spotter and a crew chief on the radio is to support their guy, and to generally go along with the driver's version of events, especially because they know others are listening. It would be EXTREMELY out of the ordinary for a spotter to tell his driver he screwed up. He might do it later in the trailer, but not on the radio during the race. I'll turn the question around by saying did you hear what some of the other crew chiefs and spotters who had no dog in the fight said about Martinsville? They didn't seem to have a doubt about who was at fault.
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Okay, thanks, but he didn't say it on the radio. He said it later....and we aren't talking about Martinsville. Talking about Phoenix. I really admire Chris Lambert. Has been through way too much **** in his life to bull**** anybody IMO.
 
StandOnIt said:
Elliott bumped Hamlin three times over a couple laps to let him know he was faster. Don't need a spotter to know what that was about. It is usually twice and the third time Rick gets to scream AROUND GOES.
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If you want to say that Chris Lambert is full of ****. Go ahead. I stick with Chris.
 
I don't care what or who Chris Lambert is or says, he wasn't driving anything but his mouth. Three taps was more than enough to pass a car that was on old tires (Hamlin's decision not to pit) Holding up Elliott while letting Kenseth build up a lead. Doesn't matter who was behind Hambone, he put himself in harms way blocking.
 
StandOnIt said:
I don't care what or who Chris Lambert is or says, he wasn't driving anything but his mouth. Three taps was more than enough to pass a car that was on old tires (Hamlin's decision not to pit) Holding up Elliott while letting Kenseth build up a lead. Doesn't matter who was behind Hambone, he put himself in harms way blocking.
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1. You should.
2. He wasn't.
3. You are wrong......according to Chris....and I stick with Chris.

Carry on.
 
Revman said:
Okay, thanks, but he didn't say it on the radio. He said it later....and we aren't talking about Martinsville. Talking about Phoenix. I really admire Chris Lambert. Has been through way too much sh!t in his life to bull**** anybody IMO.
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All I'm saying is spotters work for the DRIVER, and you don't last very long making your driver look bad. Honestly, there's only two people on earth that know EXACTLY what happened at Phoenix, and one of them is known to try about three different excuses for his actions before he finds one that at least a few people will buy. Chris Lambert was a witness to what happened, the same as you and I, and witnesses don't always agree on what they saw. I don't put any more weight on what he said about the incident than anybody else who wasn't driving the two cars involved, especially when he gets PAID by one of the people involved. Maybe instead of trying to cover Denny's ass AFTER the incident, he should of been trying to convince his boss to stay the hell away from the 24 car before something bad happened.
 
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