BREAKING: Majority owners explore sale of NASCAR

Spotter22 said:
NASCAR Forum, wgas about F1? I dont care about ratings, I care about my enjoyment not how many other people like it. Dont gas what you think about it either.
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I can’t see any Nascar follower basing their decision to watch the race based on ratings. I think that goes for just about anything as you like what you like.
 
Snappy D said:
It’s been proven The UEFA Champions League Final is the most watched sporting event in the world. The World Cup Final....well I’ll just leave this here.....https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...er-bowl/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.66ae839d94f4 it’s dated but to give you an idea. I hate when people take a dump on soccer, it’s an awesome sport. As for F1 vs NASCAR I enjoy both, different forms of racing I don’t see the need to compare. I just enjoy both equally, however Mercedes dominance has dampened my viewing experience a bit but due to the fact Ferrari just can’t get anything going with Vettel as its lead driver. They are wasting his prime.
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I hate F1 and soccer.
 
IanMcVittie said:
I can’t see any Nascar follower basing their decision to watch the race based on ratings. I think that goes for just about anything as you like what you like.
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I see a lot of times where a race will get a low rating by some of the fans on rating the race here on this forum... and I really enjoyed that race. People can have a lot of different reasons why they like or dislike something. I need to see it myself before I can have an opinion or make a decision.
 
Nitro Dude said:
I see a lot of times where a race will get a low rating by some of the fans on rating the race here on this forum... and I really enjoyed that race. People can have a lot of different reasons why they like or dislike something. I need to see it myself before I can have an opinion or make a decision.
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Depends on who wins for some votes.
 
Revman said:
I will answer that....in the sense that world class engineering should be celebrated--not vilified. Flame away.
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I just can't see a way in which that happens without both raising costs and dampening the on-track product. F1 - the budgets are massive, easily nine figures for most, if not all of the field. Then the top two, sometimes three teams have so much of an equipment advantage over everyone else that they almost qualify and finish in the same order each week, and only see the rest of the field when they're lapping them.

F1 is great if you're deep into tech, but I don't see that playing well with what's left of the NASCAR base. You'd have to bank on attracting a whole new fan following.

I think NASCAR goes electric in some capacity in the next decade, albeit at a lower level.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I just can't see a way in which that happens without both raising costs and dampening the on-track product. F1 - the budgets are massive, easily nine figures for most, if not all of the field. Then the top two, sometimes three teams have so much of an equipment advantage over everyone else that they almost qualify and finish in the same order each week, and only see the rest of the field when they're lapping them.

F1 is great if you're deep into tech, but I don't see that playing well with what's left of the NASCAR base. You'd have to bank on attracting a whole new fan following.

I think NASCAR goes electric in some capacity in the next decade, albeit at a lower level.
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I think Nascar trying out cost cutting measures in the lower series have been pretty successful. They increased the sealed motor rule in cup this year which forces teams to spend less in the motor area. I think to a certain extent they are aware that reduced costs is the way to go.
 
StandOnIt said:
I think Nascar trying out cost cutting measures in the lower series have been pretty successful. They increased the sealed motor rule in cup this year which forces teams to spend less in the motor area. I think to a certain extent they are aware that reduced costs is the way to go.
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Then it's time for that crate motor, no reason they can't do it like in the trucks.
 
Revman said:
I will answer that....in the sense that world class engineering should be celebrated--not vilified. Flame away.
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. An engineering excersise does not often make compelling entertainment. It's the same thing that has basically killed LMP1 racing in the world. It seldom makes for good racing and is not economically sustainable. F1 ONLY works because it's on World wide level. It wouldn't last as is for five minutes if it were only in the US or only Europe. I'll say again what I've said before. The most exiting race I ever saw in person was an IROC race, about as low tech as you can get.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Then it's time for that crate motor, no reason they can't do it like in the trucks.
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Truck teams are very low budget in comparison and they need the crate motors just to be able to race. Cup teams have huge expenses even when renting an engine because every team engines comes with an engine tuner at the track. Now that blown motors is usually a drivers error, these $50,000. engines costs have been cut in half with the "two race requirement".
 
Team Penske said:
Truck teams are very low budget in comparison and they need the crate motors just to be able to race. Cup teams have huge expenses even when renting an engine because every team engines comes with an engine tuner at the track. Now that blown motors is usually a drivers error, these $50,000. engines costs have been cut in half with the "two race requirement".
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SO? Why not cut it even more and have a 550hp engine putting out what i was designed for rather than having a 750hp engine being choked down and wasted?
 
Mopardh9 said:
SO? Why not cut it even more and have a 550hp engine putting out what i was designed for rather than having a 750hp engine being choked down and wasted?
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That would be smart. I suspect it's a political problem in the the manufacturers might not like crate engines.

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Formerjackman said:
. An engineering excersise does not often make compelling entertainment. It's the same thing that has basically killed LMP1 racing in the world. It seldom makes for good racing and is not economically sustainable. F1 ONLY works because it's on World wide level. It wouldn't last as is for five minutes if it were only in the US or only Europe. I'll say again what I've said before. The most exiting race I ever saw in person was an IROC race, about as low tech as you can get.
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Is this sport or entertainment? I know....another thread. Why is the world wide appeal of F1 a bad thing? We also have the WRC growing. Why? In some parts of this amazing world, people actually still like cars I guess.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I just can't see a way in which that happens without both raising costs and dampening the on-track product. F1 - the budgets are massive, easily nine figures for most, if not all of the field. Then the top two, sometimes three teams have so much of an equipment advantage over everyone else that they almost qualify and finish in the same order each week, and only see the rest of the field when they're lapping them.

F1 is great if you're deep into tech, but I don't see that playing well with what's left of the NASCAR base. You'd have to bank on attracting a whole new fan following.

I think NASCAR goes electric in some capacity in the next decade, albeit at a lower level.
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Fair enough, but I think F1 reflects why we race anyway. Manufacturers want to experiment with their technologies. NASCAR is going the other way/or trying to stay in the dark ages. NASCAR has to decide what it wants to be. Do you want the targeted demographic (whatever that is) to connect with the cars? Then, you need the EFI, digital dashboards, etc. If not, you will need to explain to an 18 year old what a pushrod is. I do think at the present time we have a pretty good blend of both, but if the objective is to continue down this path to the extent of spec'ing everything, then what is the point of manufacturer involvement....and if you don't have the manufacturers (to my original point), why are we doing this? Personalities and storylines? No thanks.
 
Team Penske said:
Truck teams are very low budget in comparison and they need the crate motors just to be able to race. Cup teams have huge expenses even when renting an engine because every team engines comes with an engine tuner at the track. Now that blown motors is usually a drivers error, these $50,000. engines costs have been cut in half with the "two race requirement".
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Scott Zippadelli says differently in regard to cost. You sipped the NASCAR Kool-Aide.
 
Revman said:
Is this sport or entertainment? I know....another thread. Why is the world wide appeal of F1 a bad thing? We also have the WRC growing. Why? In some parts of this amazing world, people actually still like cars I guess.
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IMO a sport should provide entertainment and that should be a byproduct of playing the games by a set of rules in place. Not all games are going to be barn burners or have game 7 moments but that is when you can enjoy the nuances and other attributes.
 
Revman said:
Fair enough, but I think F1 reflects why we race anyway. Manufacturers want to experiment with their technologies. NASCAR is going the other way/or trying to stay in the dark ages. NASCAR has to decide what it wants to be. Do you want the targeted demographic (whatever that is) to connect with the cars? Then, you need the EFI, digital dashboards, etc. If not, you will need to explain to an 18 year old what a pushrod is. I do think at the present time we have a pretty good blend of both, but if the objective is to continue down this path to the extent of spec'ing everything, then what is the point of manufacturer involvement....and if you don't have the manufacturers (to my original point), why are we doing this? Personalities and storylines? No thanks.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't Toyota's entry into NASCAR more of a marketing scheme than an engineering one? To gain more acceptance into U.S. and motorsports culture?

I get having some design freedom when it comes to the powerplant. Yeah, that's road-relevant. But when it comes to playing around with aero and the like, what's the point? IndyCar tried it with the OEM aero kits from 2015-2017. Waste of money for something that had no tangible ties to the road. Same with F1 - what's playing around with winglets and bargeboards got to do with the road cars?

Also considering how much similar road cars look these days, I think what goes on under the hood is going to be where manufacturers want to play around. This is where the smaller engines come into play down the road.
 
Not sure how and don't really care how F1 and/or soccer became a theme but then again, it is the off season.

As far as F1 is concerned, the only thing I ever found remotely interesting in that sport were the 'Grid Girls'. I never found the racing to be the slightest bit entertaining. I've tried watching a few times but saw little to no passing or maybe they simply failed to show it?

Soccer was interesting when I watched my kids play. Other than that it's pretty lame.

I simply don't get the fascination with either sport.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Not sure how and don't really care how F1 and/or soccer became a theme but then again, it is the off season.

As far as F1 is concerned, the only thing I ever found remotely interesting in that sport were the 'Grid Girls'. I never found the racing to be the slightest bit entertaining. I've tried watching a few times but saw little to no passing or maybe they simply failed to show it?

Soccer was interesting when I watched my kids play. Other than that it's pretty lame.

I simply don't get the fascination with either sport.
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Yeh neither do I, I tried watching F1 three times this year, not one pass??? Umm aren't you supposed to have passes for the lead in racing, on track now, not in the pits, to me that doesn't count. Asking for a friend.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Maybe I'm wrong, but wasn't Toyota's entry into NASCAR more of a marketing scheme than an engineering one? To gain more acceptance into U.S. and motorsports culture?

I get having some design freedom when it comes to the powerplant. Yeah, that's road-relevant. But when it comes to playing around with aero and the like, what's the point? IndyCar tried it with the OEM aero kits from 2015-2017. Waste of money for something that had no tangible ties to the road. Same with F1 - what's playing around with winglets and bargeboards got to do with the road cars?
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I don't think any manufacturer has been involved with NASCAR for engineering reasons for a couple of decades, at least not in terms of engineering that can be translated to the production models. They're all in it primarily for marketing reasons. I see a marketing conflict between what the manufacturers put on the track at the Cup level and what their US customers want to buy. The brands field sports cars or sedans for Cup but their customers are buying SUVs and trucks. See Ford's recent decision to discontinue everything except trucks, SUVs, and the Mustang.

I don't know enough about F1 to say, but I suspect the manufacturers there are also in it mostly for marketing, although they're trying to appeal to a completely different market segment than NASCAR's manufacturers.
 
Oh, and I suspect much of the disdain for soccer comes from a lack of understanding it, the same way many regard motorsports as just 'cars going around in circles'. I'm no expert but I certainly enjoy it more than basketball (with its constant interruptions for time outs, intentional fouls, etc.) or hockey (which plays too fast for me to keep up with a puck too small for me to see and that is hidden by the rink wall part of the time) or baseball (which moves like frozen molasses).
 
Mopardh9 said:
Then it's time for that crate motor, no reason they can't do it like in the trucks.
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Half the time you are ranting that Nascar is dying because they don't race OEM production cars. The other half you are calling for a spec engine in a mild state of tune. I'd pay good money to see you reconcile these two opposing concepts with an analysis that is based on the available facts and sound logic. But I won't hold my breath waiting for it.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Oh, and I suspect much of the disdain for soccer comes from a lack of understanding it, the same way many regard motorsports as just 'cars going around in circles'. I'm no expert but I certainly enjoy it more than basketball (with its constant interruptions for time outs, intentional fouls, etc.) or hockey (which plays too fast for me to keep up with a puck too small for me to see and that is hidden by the rink wall part of the time) or baseball (which moves like frozen molasses).
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You bring up some really good points as it is OK not to care for a sport but I think part of it is a lack of understanding. Curling is a really cool sport but if you watch it for 5 minutes you’ll think it is just chucking rocks.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Half the time you are ranting that Nascar is dying because they don't race OEM production cars. The other half you are calling for a spec engine in a mild state of tune. I'd pay good money to see you reconcile these two opposing concepts with an analysis that is based on the available facts and sound logic. But I won't hold my breath waiting for it.
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Nascar will probably have to go with a crate engine at some point in an effort to contain costs. All manufacturers will need to do is affix decals and add some fancy valve covers and they are literally away to the races.
 
IanMcVittie said:
You bring up some really good points as it is OK not to care for a sport but I think part of it is a lack of understanding. Curling is a really cool sport but if you watch it for 5 minutes you’ll think it is just chucking rocks.
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I spent a pleasant hour eating lunch in a brew pub during the '18 Winter Olympics. Curling reminded me a lot of golf in terms of spin and control. While I didn't fully understand much of the strategy (the sound was off with no CC), it was obvious there was strategy driving the tactics.
 
Mopardh9 said:
SO? Why not cut it even more and have a 550hp engine putting out what i was designed for rather than having a 750hp engine being choked down and wasted?
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A choked engine won't get hurt as much as a engine giving all it has.
40 years ago I raced a 283 punched to 343 ( max allowed in the series for GM)
My engine didn't last the season. One friend raced a 350 de-stroked to 343 and almost got 2 seasons out of it. Was it me or the engine? LOL
 
Team Penske said:
A choked engine won't get hut as much as a engine giving all it has.
40 years ago I raced a 283 punched to 343 ( max allowed in the series for GM)
My engine didn't last the season. One friend raced a 350 de-stroked to 343 and almost got 2 seasons out of it. Was it me or the engine? LOL
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All you can bore a 283 is to 301 and that is .25 over I had one. Any more and you are into the water jackets
 
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