'21 Generation 7 Car news

I swear if the Next Gen car's safety issues aren't fixed by Daytona and we see a driver literally die due to NASCAR's negligence, I will NEVER watch another NASCAR Race again..

While racing may be inherently dangerous, always carrying a risk of injury or death, getting a driver killed through negligence will never be acceptable
 
I bet it gets delayed a whole year now. No way the owners are going to want two different cars on the schedule like in 2007, especially with how different the new car is from its predecessor. That was apparently quite unpopular with the owners, and remember originally it was supposed to be 2007 and then 2008 as well, ramping up before full-time COT for 2009? And then they decided to just go full-time for 2008 because the mix of having two different cars in rotation was a big hurdle.

Either way they're going to have to make that decision quick before all the chassis builders at the teams find new jobs. That sector of the NASCAR industry is shrinking massively with the spec chassis, so imagine if you're a team who already has talent leaving the company and now you may need to reverse course to actually keep building gen 6 cars through the next season all the sudden. Also the spec chassis is coming from a sole supplier and they'll need additional time if it ends up taking NASCAR and Dallara several weeks/months to sort this all out. I've gotta think an official announcement of delaying the next-gen car will be released soon.
 
NASCAR's in a real pickle..

On one hand, the next gen car may not be safe and would need to be delayed, and getting a driver killed or badly injured would be a major PR black eye that NASCAR might not recover from

On the other hand, teams wouldn't be happy about having to run two different kind of cars in the same season, and charters have already been sold for next year
 
cheesepuffs said:
Also the spec chassis is coming from a sole supplier and they'll need additional time if it ends up taking NASCAR and Dallara several weeks/months to sort this all out. I've gotta think an official announcement of delaying the next-gen car will be released soon.
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Honestly isn’t too surprising when people learn that Dallara has never built this kind of chassis before. Now seeing that the chassis is built too stiff? Big oof.

There’s a price to pay for cost cutting.
 
StandOnIt said:
FYI for the posters who think Dallara built the chassis, Technique builds them

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While they don’t build the chassis itself, they were NASCAR’s design consultant for the car and are instrumental in putting together a safe final product.
 
I don't know how anyone could have an opinion on this without a lot more info. No specifics of the test have been released that I've heard as far as what impact was administered, what they consider safe limits or even if the current car would of passed the supposed failed test.

Some of these tests you administer impacts higher than ever recorded or beyond design parameters to see if this thing fails what manner does it fail in? Until you exceed the limits you don't know how it will fail, what's the "weak link" and how to improve it.

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wi_racefan said:
I don't know how anyone could have an opinion on this without a lot more info. No specifics of the test have been released that I've heard as far as what impact was administered, what they consider safe limits or even if the current car would of passed the supposed failed test.

Some of these tests you administer impacts higher than ever recorded or beyond design parameters to see if this thing fails what manner does it fail in? Until you exceed the limits you don't know how it will fail, what's the "weak link" and how to improve it.

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Bingo
 
NASCAR says
These are the best drivers in the world

they don’t crash
no need to test crashing
 
My neighbor works for a team and we were discussing the next gen car earlier. (He's not on a cup team, but previously did work with one and has contacts/friends throughout. NASCAR is a very closed circle and incestuous business.) When I complained about the lower horsepower and slowing them down, he replied back then that it was because they "kept killing the dummies in crash tests when they'd back one into the fence." He said that the teams are frustrated because the Next Gen car is a fustercluck right now. Too rigid in crashes. Hotter than Satan's taint: they're burning drivers. The way they routed the exhaust in the chassis with exits at both sides is absolutely cooking the ****pit. NASCAR said to use "space tape" on the pipes. My friend said "at $10k a weekend per car on tape, we sure as hell aren't saving any money like they're saying." The new rim is a problem because they can't make them fast enough. The company is pumping them out 24/7 and still can't make enough. Some of it could be the teams losing autonomy and they don't like it. They want to build their own cars, not be beholden to parts manufacturers to get them everything in time to assemble.

Edit: The automatically censored word is the noun for where a pilot sits in the plane.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Honestly isn’t too surprising when people learn that Dallara has never built this kind of chassis before. Now seeing that the chassis is built too stiff? Big oof.

There’s a price to pay for cost cutting.
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Dallara isn't building anything, Technique is building it. Dallara just designed it.
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
My neighbor works for a team and we were discussing the next gen car earlier. (He's not on a cup team, but previously did work with one and has contacts/friends throughout. NASCAR is a very closed circle and incestuous business.) When I complained about the lower horsepower and slowing them down, he replied back then that it was because they "kept killing the dummies in crash tests when they'd back one into the fence." He said that the teams are frustrated because the Next Gen car is a fustercluck right now. Too rigid in crashes. Hotter than Satan's taint: they're burning drivers. The way they routed the exhaust in the chassis with exits at both sides is absolutely cooking the ****pit. NASCAR said to use "space tape" on the pipes. My friend said "at $10k a weekend per car on tape, we sure as hell aren't saving any money like they're saying." The new rim is a problem because they can't make them fast enough. The company is pumping them out 24/7 and still can't make enough. Some of it could be the teams losing autonomy and they don't like it. They want to build their own cars, not be beholden to parts manufacturers to get them everything in time to assemble.

Edit: The automatically censored word is the noun for where a pilot sits in the plane.
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I think this has a least a part in it. Remember how certain team were complaining about the standard pit guns and basically trying to get them to fail
 
It's an RTA initiative and has been from the beginning.

Whether or not some teams want to build their own cars is irrelevant. Front running teams are not wasting time and resources whining about something their owners agreed to.
 
aunty dive said:
Stellar lineup.
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Have you ever believed a single rumor? You're welcome to be a skeptic in a sport where 75% of stuff you hear turns out to be false but come on...you don't think there's conceivably an ounce of truth to this?

I certainly think it's plausible. Plenty of leaks from plenty of people within the industry...enough that NASCAR had to send out a memo to drivers about it. So either they're all "in" on starting something false or there's some truth to what they're saying.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
Have you ever believed a single rumor? You're welcome to be a skeptic in a sport where 75% of stuff you hear turns out to be false but come on...you don't think there's conceivably an ounce of truth to this?

I certainly think it's plausible. Plenty of leaks from plenty of people within the industry...enough that NASCAR had to send out a memo to drivers about it. So either they're all "in" on starting something false or there's some truth to what they're saying.
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I'm a facts, logic and science guy. The physics and mechanical aspects of auto racing favor that.

Briscoe deleted his tweet about the dummy. The guys at DBC count clicks. The mechanic from MBM ... who knows?

The short answer to your first question is no. I will be quite happy to amend in the future if any of the leaks, rumors and innuendo result in an introduction delay for the new cars.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
Have you ever believed a single rumor? You're welcome to be a skeptic in a sport where 75% of stuff you hear turns out to be false but come on...you don't think there's conceivably an ounce of truth to this?

I certainly think it's plausible. Plenty of leaks from plenty of people within the industry...enough that NASCAR had to send out a memo to drivers about it. So either they're all "in" on starting something false or there's some truth to what they're saying.
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The reason I couldn't get on the hysteria wagon is because I am familiar with the science of destructive testing and non-destructive testing AND common sense. Nascar continues to make changes to the current cars or trucks in the interest of safety. They just added another bar to the rear of the roll cage in the truck series after a pretty heavy rear end collision. The changes are immediate, no B. S. ing about it just do it. People without engineering degrees making hysterical comments about engineering matters, common sense says take them with a grain of salt.
 
All I would say is it is AWFULLY late in the game to be doing ANY kind of crash testing and critically late if there is actually anything that would need to be changed. This car should have been locked up and set in stone six months ago MINIMUM, probably longer.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Doesn't NASCAR regularly do crash testing of the current model?
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the drivers do that :growl: Seriously Nascar has various instruments in the cars and trucks to measure/film impacts and then the cars comes back to the lab and they analyze it for the damages that were done. Recently when Logano's car had a lowered roof from a crash, a memo went out with changes to that area of the car. It's a never ending process. It is one of the reasons they limit the speeds. They have the damage data and can build for that. Faster speeds means more testing/designing/expense
 
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