Cone Rule

Simple Fan said:
No I haven't and I'm sure it's great at the track and I'd have a good time but probably wouldn't change my mind on the track. I just hate the tracks configuration. Not a big fan of short tracks anyway, I like Bristol and Richmond but Martinsville is completely different than those two.
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Okay.
 
I wish NASCAR raced at Martinsville FOUR times a year. Personally, I would move the Daytona 400 to Iowa and turn Talladega back into a corn field/airport. I HATE restrictor plate racing, especially as it is now constituted.
 
Johali said:
You're the only person that I've ever heard say that they just don't like Martinsville at all
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I just don't get what makes it so great. Even the people that do like it say its one groove and we need a cone to fix it. What it needs is some banking.
 
Never understood why this wasn't done earlier. I hate the restart lottery. So many places where guys get screwed over on restarts and drop back because they got stuck in the wrong lane.
 
Simple Fan said:
I just don't get what makes it so great. Even the people that do like it say its one groove and we need a cone to fix it. What it needs is some banking.
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Martinsville has more than enough banking and plenty of passing. It's a shame you can't appreciate the oldest track on the NASCAR schedule but it's not a big deal. I have my share of tracks I don't like too.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Never understood why this wasn't done earlier. I hate the restart lottery. So many places where guys get screwed over on restarts and drop back because they got stuck in the wrong lane.
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Ok well can you explain how exactly all this is going to work out ??
 
FLRacingFan said:
Never understood why this wasn't done earlier. I hate the restart lottery. So many places where guys get screwed over on restarts and drop back because they got stuck in the wrong lane.
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I'd like to see them make their choice. Maybe the first ten line up in the preferred line and 11th takes the gamble. That could be entertaining especially if my guy was the one in 11th.
 
After they came up with the double file re-start, the leader, and only the leader, has been allowed to pick between the inside or outside lane for the restart, while in every row behind the leader the odd numbered car must take the inside lane, thereby leading to the shenanigans on pit road that we saw at Bristol.

So if the "cone rule' is considered to be a viable option that won't cause a cluster-f when lining cars up for a restart, why don't they try something less drastic than the cone rule and just let the odd numbered car in each row pick between the inside or outside lane for the restart, like the leader does ?
 
thinking it thru, there are going to be a mix of fast cars and slow cars in the slower lane, probably the same thing in the faster lane. Restarts at the short tracks where this would be used would be really wild, but the leader firing off might not change unless the slower lane car up front was a really fast car. Too chaotic for some fans. I say try it, it can always be changed back.
 
sdj said:
The tracks I go to in Florida, Punta Gorda and Bradenton, put the cone at the start finish line with one to go.
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One more thing I want to add.

When they come to the cone they are single file with the Leader leading them, then most make the choice at the last second, it's really kind of fun to watch and sure makes for some interesting results. As far as I have seen they stay committed in their position back to the start zone.
 
sdj said:
One more thing I want to add.

When they come to the cone they are single file with the Leader leading them, then most make the choice at the last second, it's really kind of fun to watch and sure makes for some interesting results. As far as I have seen they stay committed in their position back to the start zone.
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Nascar would have to parade them around after their choices for five minutes. :D
 
I guess I'm the only one that would rather start double file 5 rows from the leader than single file 10 rows from the leader. o_O
 
Thegeneral23 said:
Why can't they just keep it how it is lol.. is it that bad we need another rule change?
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Because of break jamming on pit road to loose a position, for lane choice.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
Typically with two to go a cone will be put on the backstretch and the cars choose their lane. So everyone is 2x2 and has chosen their lane when they get the one to go. At that point the cone is retrieved by the track worker. This is typically how it's done on short tracks with cars doing 30mph under caution and with 20 cars on tracks...now with a 40 car field, a caution pace in the 50-70mph range on the larger tracks, and wave-around cars going at green-flag speeds...NASCAR would likely have to modify the procedure. My best guess is that there would be a painted box in the middle of the backstretch, similar to the painted box on pit road that acts as the commitment cone on short tracks where placing a literal cone is not feasible. That way we don't have a track worker out on the track while cars are taking the wave-around with one to go and driving at race-pace. NASCAR won't give the one-to-go signal until all track support vehicles are tucked away behind a wall. Unlike short tracks where I've seen many pick-up trucks race back to their safe spot as the field is taking the green :eek:. So no, there's won't be a track working running across the backstretch to retrieve a cone as the field takes the green.
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I am thinking sliding metal plates on the back stretch with pole cones and colorful pennants. That elevate upwards as needed and then decend back below the sliding plate, after positions are assumed

The mechanisms alone would be solid gold advertising opportunities.
If people think that Larry Mac looses it over the weather radars, just watch this show.
Ole DW at Fox, Steve Letarte at NBC and Rutledge Wood will be at their Eloquentisensuals best, the fans will be blest.

Bet Brian orders a hun-urd pole cones after reading this...
 
Simple Fan said:
No I haven't and I'm sure it's great at the track and I'd have a good time but probably wouldn't change my mind on the track. I just hate the tracks configuration. Not a big fan of short tracks anyway, I like Bristol and Richmond but Martinsville is completely different than those two.
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I disagree with you but I completely understand where you're coming from. I wouldn't attend Daytona or Talladega if someone else was paying for the tickets, hotel, and transportation.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I disagree with you but I completely understand where you're coming from. I wouldn't attend Daytona or Talladega if someone else was paying for the tickets, hotel, and transportation.
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I'd go to a Martinsville race as NASCAR puts on a good show at the track. Just don't like the configuration of the track and the slow speeds it produces.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I disagree with you but I completely understand where you're coming from. I wouldn't attend Daytona or Talladega if someone else was paying for the tickets, hotel, and transportation.
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If ya ever have this happen, please by all means let me know! :D I will be glad to take those gosh awful tickets, hotel and transportation items off your hands.:punkrocke
 
Simple Fan said:
This seems like the dumbest thing anyone could do. Like what's he benefits to the cone rule, just seems way to confusing and to much of a hassle.
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I was completely against it until I saw a Lucas Oil Modified Series race do it at Madera Speedway. Madera is predominantly a one groove track. If you can catfish you can hang on for a very long time. The idea behind the cone is that if you are marred back in 6th and think you may have a better car then the guys in front of you, but traffic and a single lane track are preventing passing it provides you an opportunity to take a risk and move to the top line and possibly advance your positions, but you have to take the non preferred line to do it. It creates a ton of different cars battling for the lead and it reduced the amount of conveyor belt races. I'm not sure how well it would work in Cup as the cars from 1st to 20th seem to be no more then 3 tenths off from each other, but until you have seen what it can do I wouldn't count it out just yet.

It is truly not difficult nor confusing in the least. It creates more drama, which like it or not, is what the sport needs to be more appealing to all fans. I watched a guy go from 6th to 2nd and win 2 years ago with 8 laps to go. He was fats enough, but the top groove was marred by the track being a single groove.
 
clarkfn2284 said:
I was completely against it until I saw a Lucas Oil Modified Series race do it at Madera Speedway. Madera is predominantly a one groove track. If you can catfish you can hang on for a very long time. The idea behind the cone is that if you are marred back in 6th and think you may have a better car then the guys in front of you, but traffic and a single lane track are preventing passing it provides you an opportunity to take a risk and move to the top line and possibly advance your positions, but you have to take the non preferred line to do it. It creates a ton of different cars battling for the lead and it reduced the amount of conveyor belt races. I'm not sure how well it would work in Cup as the cars from 1st to 20th seem to be no more then 3 tenths off from each other, but until you have seen what it can do I wouldn't count it out just yet.

It is truly not difficult nor confusing in the least. It creates more drama, which like it or not, is what the sport needs to be more appealing to all fans. I watched a guy go from 6th to 2nd and win 2 years ago with 8 laps to go. He was fats enough, but the top groove was marred by the track being a single groove.
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If that doesn't scream gimmick I don't know what does. I'd prefer the guy that came off pit road 6th restart 6th, not on the front row.
 
Thegeneral23 said:
Ok well can you explain how exactly all this is going to work out ??
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I am amazed as to how you do not understand this. If I am in 6th and we are coming to the cone and I see 4 cars stay to the bottom, I then have the choice to move to the bottom and risk guys filling the top lane, thus advancing their position or moving into row 2 making me 4th at the restart. I am deciding that those 2 extra spots are more important on the restart that I will risk possibly not being in the preferred line. Look at last week, Larson lost like 6 spots on a restart because of being in the wrong lane. If he gets to choose his line he stays up top as would a number of others, but someone at some point would look at the chance to advance their position and would cruise to the bottom and mobve up however many rows and spots in an attempt to make it work. A guy is marred in 13th position and 10 cars choose the top, he sees the opportunity to slide into the inside of the third row, advancing his position 7 spots, but now having to make it stick on the restart.

It really is that simple.
 
kyle18fan said:
LOL .......... a perfectly good race shouldn't be stopped for a "stage " either
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No argument there about the stages. However, to me the cone deal is just like using pit strategy to get up front. You are running 8th, the caution comes out and you take two tires and move up to third, taking a calculated risk that you can hang onto track position. The good thing about the cone is that it keeps teams from getting the shaft just because they came off pit road in an odd or even spot. The current situation is untenable. Somebody is going to get their race ruined because some idiot slammed on the brakes at the end of pit road. What if the second place car stops to try to be third, and NOBODY passes him? Do we stop the whole race while we try to decide who should restart second?
 
Formerjackman said:
No argument there about the stages. However, to me the cone deal is just like using pit strategy to get up front. You are running 8th, the caution comes out and you take two tires and move up to third, taking a calculated risk that you can hang onto track position. The good thing about the cone is that it keeps teams from getting the shaft just because they came off pit road in an odd or even spot. The current situation is untenable. Somebody is going to get their race ruined because some idiot slammed on the brakes at the end of pit road. What if the second place car stops to try to be third, and NOBODY passes him? Do we stop the whole race while we try to decide who should restart second?
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The "idiot" that got this conversation and idea started should have been penalized for obstructing pit road IMO
There will be confusion and conflict on the track with the cone rule too . I can't see how it can be avoided.
 
Simple Fan said:
If that doesn't scream gimmick I don't know what does. I'd prefer the guy that came off pit road 6th restart 6th, not on the front row.
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Not a gimmick in my opinion, as @AndyMarquisLive said earlier it is part of the chess game.
This is more logical than getting stuck in the wrong lane by the current circumstances, were only the leader gets a choice.
Hence the Hamlin brake checks on pit road.

A cone system allows drivers to choose based on the current running position. If p1 through p4 want to line up bumper to bumper and p5 takes the spot beside the leader it only happens because the p2 through p4 cars consented.
 
Simple Fan said:
This is the part that is dumb. A car shouldn't be able to advance 7 spots because of a cone.
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He only advances because the others cars in front have already declined.
Thats a lot more logical then the Hamlin brake checks, that jam up pit road. Something that is chaotic, and would lead to pit road accidents if left unchecked.
 
Greg said:
He only advances because the others cars in front have already declined.
Thats a lot more logical then the Hamlin brake checks, that jam up pit road. Something that is chaotic, and would lead to pit road accidents if left unchecked.
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I'd rather see an accident on pit road than the 7th place car restart on the front row because of a cone decision. Leader should be the only one with a choice. This takes pit strategy away from the equation and now you'll have come strategy. Nothing wrong with how its done now and if someone wants to try what Hamlin did go ahead.
 
Simple Fan said:
I'd rather see an accident on pit road than the 7th place car restart on the front row because of a cone decision. Leader should be the only one with a choice. This takes pit strategy away from the equation and now you'll have come strategy. Nothing wrong with how its done now and if someone wants to try what Hamlin did go ahead.
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Sorry, I absolutely disagree.
Done
 
kyle18fan said:
The "idiot" that got this conversation and idea started should have been penalized for obstructing pit road IMO
There will be confusion and conflict on the track with the cone rule too . I can't see how it can be avoided.
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When everyone chooses one lane and you got 5 cars in the other they'd make a rule to fix that. Best thing to do is leave this cone nonsense to the local short tracks and don't change a thing about restarts.
 
Simple Fan said:
When everyone chooses one lane and you got 5 cars in the other they'd make a rule to fix that. Best thing to do is leave this cone nonsense to the local short tracks and don't change a thing about restarts.
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I must agree !!! some stuff doesn't need to be fixed
 
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