Larson

He's been around a while. Still needs to cool it a bit before I hop on board.

Beats himself too often, isn't yet clutch, he sometimes is wound up a bit too tight in the car. Indy and post race showed how he performs under stress and when he has to race and perform and work agaimst his emotions (as I've said ALL year). I can't help but look at sports psychologically now, gotta keep primed!

That said, nothing wrong with that though, he's a kid, and a competitor. He's young, and it's expected. He just needs time to simply grow into himself.

When he's about 27, 28, 29 years old, he'll be money and I'll call myself a fan. But to tout him as the next 60, 70 win 3+ championship guy? Eh, don't think so.

I think he'll have a career like Tony.



Blaney, I think is the REAL real deal out of all these guys.
 
Taco said:
Little Kyle has been snookered two times by Jimmie on restarts that I know of, Jimmie won both times. So little Kyle is butt hurt and shows its, when he makes statements like the 48 can't handle it.
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Johnson tore him a new one last year at Homestead. On the cool down lap Larson hammered the 48 in the back, Johnson ignores him for the most part. Larson will get better when he can control himself better. Really hard to do in cup when blocking is a way of life and when almost every other dirty trick is ok. The veterans know them all.
 
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Johnson tore him a new one last year at Homestead. On the cool down lap Larson hammered the 48 in the back, Johnson ignores him for the most part. Larson will get better when he can control himself better. Really hard to do in cup when blocking is a way of life and when almost every other dirty trick is ok. The veterans know them all.
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Yay I'm not the only one! Hes a smart kid but there is definitely an arrogance (that isn't just confidence) to him that he does a great job of keeping on the dl. Its given him a few problems and I think he definitely psyches himself out of big time executation. He reminds me a lot of a young JJ. He doesnt have that california cool Tom Brady confidence JJ does though.
 
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The guy is about 14 years old.

Give him a week or two ... he'll be right up to speed. :rolleyes:
 
aunty dive said:
The guy is about 14 years old.

Give him a week or two ... he'll be right up to speed. :rolleyes:
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In retrospect, yeah he is.

That's my point. He's just a kid, now isn't the time to be putting that kind of pressure on himself.

Like I said, when he gets closer to 30, that's when he'll really start to impress people. Very well could win a title before hand, but my point still stands.
 
Want to clarify that Larson did not say the he hates us quote, it was the crew chief that said that, Larson only said "48 can't handle it"

What is the deal with JJ and Larson. Didn't see JJ blocking any other cars like he did Larson. I really think he doesn't like Larson for some reason, as JJ has said some things over the radio several times complaining about Larson when all I saw was hard racing. And Larson's team has said things on the radio like the "he hates us" quote at Indy indicating Larson team believes that JJ has an issue with them.

Is he irritated because Larson races him too hard, and he doesn't get the respect he deserves. I did read something where JJ was sort of complaining about the deal with Mr. H supplying motors to them then having to race against these other teams having the same equipment.

Or is Larson actually out there on the track doing something wrong, being out of line, or driving like an ass.

I am curious what the story is here.

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dgbullfrog said:
Want to clarify that Larson did not say the he hates us quote, it was the crew chief that said that, Larson only said "48 can't handle it"

What is the deal with JJ and Larson. Didn't see JJ blocking any other cars like he did Larson. I really think he doesn't like Larson for some reason, as JJ has said some things over the radio several times complaining about Larson when all I saw was hard racing. And Larson's team has said things on the radio like the "he hates us" quote at Indy indicating Larson team believes that JJ has an issue with them.

Is he irritated because Larson races him too hard, and he doesn't get the respect he deserves. I did read something where JJ was sort of complaining about the deal with Mr. H supplying motors to them then having to race against these other teams having the same equipment.

Or is Larson actually out there on the track doing something wrong, being out of line, or driving like an ass.

I am curious what the story is here.

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Well I listened to JJ the entire race and he didn't say a word. Literally, nothing about Larson the entire race.

As far as their beef, I think it's because Larson has moved Jimmie, and complained about him without sognificant provocation. Happened a few times last season, Larson has moved JJ a few times.

He also beat Kyle at Homestead, who bumped him after the race. I think the beef started with Larson towards Jimmie first, and Jimmie thinks he doesn't race with the most respect at times. He and Chad talked about Larson's deal at Dover, said "at some point he's gonna piss off someone who won't take it".

Same deal woth AJ Almendinger, he moves Jimmie whenever he can. Fact of the matter is that the 48 is in their heads and them being hardcore racers, just want to prove they can race him.
 
yep it is good stuff, he made Larson mess up his car. It's pretty simple, they don't like each other. It happened later, Ty Dillon did the same thing, blocked Larson and he killed it then.
 
So curious about this bump, because I didn't see that on the Homestead TV broadcast., So is there a video, or was this a first hand report from the track? I googled it but couldn't find anything. So this was serious "I'm pissed" hard bump? And not just a congrats 7 time champion bump? Just doesn't seem like something Larson would do , but drivers often react in unexpected ways.


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I predict a couple ragged motors for the 42 in the future.
 
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So curious about this bump, because I didn't see that on the Homestead TV broadcast., So is there a video, or was this a first hand report from the track? I googled it but couldn't find anything. So this was serious "I'm pissed" hard bump? And not just a congrats 7 time champion bump? Just doesn't seem like something Larson would do , but drivers often react in unexpected ways.


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This is Johnson's incar. @ 3:54:00 is around the time of the bump Bad ass restart at 3:52.30

 
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Well I listened to JJ the entire race and he didn't say a word. Literally, nothing about Larson the entire race.

As far as their beef, I think it's because Larson has moved Jimmie, and complained about him without sognificant provocation. Happened a few times last season, Larson has moved JJ a few times.

He also beat Kyle at Homestead, who bumped him after the race. I think the beef started with Larson towards Jimmie first, and Jimmie thinks he doesn't race with the most respect at times. He and Chad talked about Larson's deal at Dover, said "at some point he's gonna piss off someone who won't take it".

Same deal woth AJ Almendinger, he moves Jimmie whenever he can. Fact of the matter is that the 48 is in their heads and them being hardcore racers, just want to prove they can race him.
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There have been 3 different instances this season where JJ has blocked Larson when he had a run. Look, blocking happens, no way around it, but the Indy block was ridiculous. He drove him down to the line and then back to the middle of the track. JJ was lucky that Larson didn't fence him because he could have and there are at least 5 other drivers in the circuit that would not have let him off that easy. Larson came onto the radio and states that the "48 can't handle it." There is a ton of truth to that comment. I have listened to JJ a couple of different times chatter back and forth with Chad and Earl about how the 42 "puts them in bad positions." Ironically it is always after the 42 has cleanly passed the 48. I respect JJ and the 48's history and ability, but the guy never takes any responsibility when he is ****** on the track. He came down on KK yesterday and in his post race presser he was the same old JJ. Passive aggressive calling it a "racing deal", but then blaming the 5 for "washing up." Earl even came on the radio and said he was about to call the 5 under him when he wrecked.

Larson over drives his cars. There is more then enough proof of that. The guy can burn up a set of tires with the best of them, but he knows he has talent and he knows the cars are fast and he is looking to capitalize on it. A lot of the cup vets are trying to regulate things and "teach him a lesson about respect", but the guy has been there for 4 years and is a better all around racecar driver then 90% of them. He is in the middle of a Championship battle and my guess is that he will not win it, but will learn a very hard lesson in the process. After that, what other dues are left to be paid?

I wish he was more like Joey or KyBU or Kez sometimes. He would have 3 or 4 more wins by now. He respects the game. He respects the drivers, but he doesn't have to play second fiddle anymore to these guys because he is a part of the future and he is faster on a weekly basis.
 
Sure looked like Kahne lost the front end at the 20 second mark to me. Johnson didn't give him any room though.

 
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Sure looked like Kahne lost the front end at the 20 second mark to me. Johnson didn't give him any room though.

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I see both left sides below the yellow line. Now, that could have cause KK to wash up, but it was a relatively seamless transition from the track to the 3 feet of asphault under the yellow line there. If you ask me, JJ squeezed him down and forced the issue
 
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There have been 3 different instances this season where JJ has blocked Larson when he had a run. Look, blocking happens, no way around it, but the Indy block was ridiculous. He drove him down to the line and then back to the middle of the track. JJ was lucky that Larson didn't fence him because he could have and there are at least 5 other drivers in the circuit that would not have let him off that easy. Larson came onto the radio and states that the "48 can't handle it." There is a ton of truth to that comment. I have listened to JJ a couple of different times chatter back and forth with Chad and Earl about how the 42 "puts them in bad positions." Ironically it is always after the 42 has cleanly passed the 48. I respect JJ and the 48's history and ability, but the guy never takes any responsibility when he is ****** on the track. He came down on KK yesterday and in his post race presser he was the same old JJ. Passive aggressive calling it a "racing deal", but then blaming the 5 for "washing up." Earl even came on the radio and said he was about to call the 5 under him when he wrecked.

Larson over drives his cars. There is more then enough proof of that. The guy can burn up a set of tires with the best of them, but he knows he has talent and he knows the cars are fast and he is looking to capitalize on it. A lot of the cup vets are trying to regulate things and "teach him a lesson about respect", but the guy has been there for 4 years and is a better all around racecar driver then 90% of them. He is in the middle of a Championship battle and my guess is that he will not win it, but will learn a very hard lesson in the process. After that, what other dues are left to be paid?

I wish he was more like Joey or KyBU or Kez sometimes. He would have 3 or 4 more wins by now. He respects the game. He respects the drivers, but he doesn't have to play second fiddle anymore to these guys because he is a part of the future and he is faster on a weekly basis.
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And I have listened to his radio for entire races, just about all of them this season. Jimmie on many occasions has flat out said he's screwed up through out his career. "I just lost it", "my fault". He wasn't being passive aggressive, he was assessing. When he gets passive aggressive, you can hear clear agitation in his voice.

The issue with Larson started with him overdriving last year as you've said, back it's pissed them off, and other drivers off too. It's not "not handling it", it's racing someone harder who you think isn't racing respectfully. A lot of these vets express issues with these young guys overdriving. Kyle can do that. I'd do that too, especially to Jimmie, but he's gonna get raced like that.
But we can agree to disagree on that.

But to say Jimmie doesn't take responsibility for his mistakes, in general, is just wrong. Imo
 
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I see both left sides below the yellow line. Now, that could have cause KK to wash up, but it was a relatively seamless transition from the track to the 3 feet of asphault under the yellow line there. If you ask me, JJ squeezed him down and forced the issue
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It's racing. Jimmie has always raced like that, races close trying to take the air off the right front, Tony Stewart 2007, Brad K 2015, it's just his style he brought from ASA. Jimmie knows what he's doing in the car, he still makes mistakes and understands risks, but he drives how he drives.

At the end of the day, he gets the last laugh, which, I guess pisses off people in the sport
 
Me saying he "never" takes responsibility is a stretch yes or more of an exaggeration. We are obviously going to disagree on this in pretty much all we are discussing. However, we cannot sit here and say "It's racing" and "that's how Jimmie drives" for his issues on track and then talk about how Larson over drives and not turn around and say the same thing.

JJ squeezed KK below the line and then decided he needed to take NO responsibility for the problem. Instead he decided to say that his teammate "washed up" while calling it a racing deal. That is the very definition of being passive aggressive. He had zero reason to call out his teammate like that, but he did it anyway. That is something that he should have gone back and looked at the videos and hashed out in their meetings.

Jimmie imo is the greatest Champion this sport has seen, but this is his M.O. in my opinion. He does it on a more than regular basis. Just last week, with knowledge of something wrong in the car and smoke bellowing out he went for a win and almost wrecked the field. I get it was for the lead, but they knew there was something wrong at the restart and went for it anyways. I believe he later belittled Rick Allen in his passive aggressive manner on Twitter about calling it a blown engine because it was an oil leak? Why?
 
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Me saying he "never" takes responsibility is a stretch yes or more of an exaggeration. We are obviously going to disagree on this in pretty much all we are discussing. However, we cannot sit here and say "It's racing" and "that's how Jimmie drives" for his issues on track and then talk about how Larson over drives and not turn around and say the same thing.

JJ squeezed KK below the line and then decided he needed to take NO responsibility for the problem. Instead he decided to say that his teammate "washed up" while calling it a racing deal. That is the very definition of being passive aggressive. He had zero reason to call out his teammate like that, but he did it anyway. That is something that he should have gone back and looked at the videos and hashed out in their meetings.

Jimmie imo is the greatest Champion this sport has seen, but this is his M.O. in my opinion. He does it on a more than regular basis. Just last week, with knowledge of something wrong in the car and smoke bellowing out he went for a win and almost wrecked the field. I get it was for the lead, but they knew there was something wrong at the restart and went for it anyways. I believe he later belittled Rick Allen in his passive aggressive manner on Twitter about calling it a blown engine because it was an oil leak? Why?
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It wasn't Rick Allen. It was a random fan who tweet at him. Rick Allen responded to Jimmie's tweet towards

Larson's deal is overagression and inexperience, as far as Jimmie goes, it IS how he races. But as you alluded to, we literally are just repeating ourselves to validate our pov haha.

We can agree to disagree then :).

And get back on with the threat topic.

Kyle Larson. Personally, I think he belongs in a SHR car. Someone like him should end up like Blaney, sooner or later he is probably gonna end up on a top tier team.
 
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This is Johnson's incar. @ 3:54:00 is around the time of the bump Bad ass restart at 3:52.30

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I watched the bump, ah, nothing there just a friendly tap to say well played or JJ slowed faster than Larson realized on the cool down.

As far as JJ and Larson at Indy, Larson was just letting him know I'll give you a pass this time, but, don't keep this crap up. JMHO.
 
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I watched the bump, ah, nothing there just a friendly tap to say well played or JJ slowed faster than Larson realized on the cool down.

As far as JJ and Larson at Indy, Larson was just letting him know I'll give you a pass this time, but, don't keep this crap up. JMHO.
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I disagree IMO Larson was dominating the race at Homestead until the last few laps and Jimmie smoked him. I think at the very least he was disappointed, knowing a little about Larson's temperament? I would say it wasn't a love tap..more like next time sucker.

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I disagree IMO Larson was dominating the race at Homestead until the last few laps and Jimmie smoked him. I think at the very least he was disappointed, knowing a little about Larson's temperament? I would say it wasn't a love tap..more like next time sucker.

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Yeah, it could be either way.:booya: It is a good thing to have a little rivalry going on anyway between those two.
 
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People struggle with the concept that Gannasi is a top tier team.

I think Larson belongs right where he is.
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I'm talking from a marketability standpoint.

SHR, Gibbs, Hendrick, Penske. Flagship teams
 
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I'm talking from a marketability standpoint.

SHR, Gibbs, Hendrick, Penske. Flagship teams
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What makes those teams flagship teams in marketability? What is the criteria?

SHR is mostly unsponsored, except for the 4. The Gibbs 20 is not sponsored, or is looking to piece something together. HMS has three cars sponsored for 2018, but most every deal they have expires next year, not to mention their problems with the 5. Penske has not announced sponsorship next year for the 2 or the 12.
 
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What makes those teams flagship teams in marketability? What is the criteria?

SHR is mostly unsponsored, except for the 4. The Gibbs 20 is not sponsored, or is looking to piece something together. HMS has three cars sponsored for 2018, but most every deal they have expires next year, not to mention their problems with the 5. Penske has not announced sponsorship next year for the 2 or the 12.
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a whole bunch of guess and by golly here. But whatever floats your boat. sky is falling.
 
Should be a must see for Larson fans, I know I will be watching

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Kyle Larson Races to Brandt Professional Agriculture Night #1 of the 57th Annual 5-hour ENERGY Knoxville Nationals presented by Casey’s General Stores

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Kyle Larson Races to Brandt Professional Agriculture Night #1 of the 57th Annual 5-hour ENERGY Knoxville Nationals presented by Casey’s General Stores!
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Kyle Larson Won Night #1 of the Knoxville Nationals (DB3 Imaging)
Wednesday, August 09, 2017
Kyle Larson Races to Brandt Professional Agriculture Night #1 of the 57th Annual 5-hour ENERGY Knoxville Nationals presented by Casey’s General Stores!
Donny Schatz and Brad Sweet Lead in Points
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KNOXVILLE, Iowa (August 9, 2017) – Kyle Larson led wire to wire on Brandt Professional Agriculture Night #1 of the 57th Annual 5-hour ENERGY Knoxville Nationals presented by Casey’s General Stores at the Knoxville Raceway Saaturday. The Elk Grove, California native guided Paul Silva’s #57 flawlessly through traffic to claim his third career feature win and $12,000 at the “Sprint Car Capital of the World.” Donny Schatz emerged atop the all-important point standings earning 492. He was followed by Brad Sweet (489), Kerry Madsen (487), Greg Hodnett (472), Larson (469) and Shane Stewart (469).

Larson grabbed the lap one lead from Austin McCarl, who had gotten the jump at the green. Greg Hodnett settled into second in the 25-lapper, ahead of Paul McMahan and Donny Schatz. Schatz used the low side of the track to gain fourth on lap two. Parker Price-Miller came to a stop when his nose wing came askew three laps in.

Larson pulled away again, while Kerry Madsen moved into the top five. Schatz drove by Hodnett to take third on lap five, and Madsen followed him into fourth. The leaders entered lapped traffic on the tenth circuit, and McCarl, Schatz and Madsen battled for several laps in second, third and fourth. Schatz would clear the group on lap 14 and continue his pursuit of the leader. Hodnett would shoot under Madsen for fourth on lap 14, and slid by McCarl for third on lap 17.

Larson would maintain his advantage to the checkers, followed by Schatz, Hodnett, Brad Sweet and McCarl. Madsen, Shane Stewart, Paul McMahan, Christopher Bell and Bill Balog completed the top ten. Madsen set quick time on the night at 14.886. Kevin Thomas Jr., Jac Haudenschild, Matt Moro, Schatz and Bill Balog were heat winners. Lucas Wolfe won the B main.
 
Will Larson be able to race for the big feature race Saturday night? This should be interesting he talks about it.



here is a small clip of the race

 
Tough decision about Saturday night. Chip is a racer. He understands. But he also knows that Kyle Larson is on the cusp of a Cup championship. If I were Chip, I think I'd negotiate a compromise... race Knoxville on Saturday night, and then park the sprint car until after Homestead.
 
I believe he can get back and fourth ok. But if he runs the race, what kind of shape will he be in for Michigan. On the other hand if Chip says no? Larson isn't going to be a happy driver. I say he goes. Knoxville is the big one. Back in the day me and some buds would drive up from Tulsa to go to that race. I remembered most of it. :rolleyes::D Good times.
 
LOL. CGR asks for feedback. And T shirts say it all...



 
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