Las Vegas test 1/31-2/1

It's a new year, there will be plenty to bitch about for those that enjoy that sort of thing, ;) is it optics this year for you?
 
StandOnIt said:
It's a new year, there will be plenty to bitch about for those that enjoy that sort of thing, ;) is it optics this year for you?
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I hear ya....optics is good, but give me some time to come up with something better. It's still early. ;) In sincerity, it's racing and that is never bad.....I just hope that this package makes more people happy because I know I will be regardless. I love this stuff. Auto Club tickets came today. Hello Christmas.
 
yeah so far I don't have much either. I thought they looked good for the first shot out of the box, I wonder what tomorrow will bring after they have awhile to look at the data.
 
StandOnIt said:
yeah so far I don't have much either. I thought they looked good for the first shot out of the box, I wonder what tomorrow will bring after they have awhile to look at the data.
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Honestly, I think it will be fine....it certainly won't please everybody because some want the walk off HR to win every damn race. I thought it was good as well.
 
I'm not going to do the pissing match anymore. I'm with @DUN24. I'm with @FLRacingFan, and @LewTheShoe, and everyone else here who have explained in clear detail why we disagree with going in this direction at highest level of racing there is in America. I agree with what Matt Weaver is posting on Twitter about his fundamental objections, I agree with what Mark Martin has said on the subject. And yes, I agree with Kyle Busch's remarks today *cringe*. My reaction to his willingness to speak his mind is to agree or disagree with his statements, never to get so triggered to think that he must be muzzled and made to tow the company line.

There are dozens more, prominent figures and regular racing fans. We aren't all crazy, and we don't all have it out for NASCAR. If NASCAR announced that they were scrapping the whole thing and going back to something close to the 2018 package, we'd all cheer. Those who strongly support the new rules would be disappointed and critical, and the shoe would be on the other foot. I presume it will be eventually, given the way different factions win out and NASCAR changes direction often. Because much of this was in development before Jim France took over, I'm genuinely, honestly curious about what his thoughts are and how the current NASCAR hierarchy will manage this as it evolves. Also curious about how much of this approach gets preserved or usurped by the Gen 7 car.
 
The boys were back the last test, cars sounded like they were turning good RPM.s and they were running all over that track. Considering they had 5 wheel force cars in the test, the rest of them were pretty salty.
 
gnomesayin said:
I'm not going to do the pissing match anymore. I'm with @DUN24. I'm with @FLRacingFan, and @LewTheShoe, and everyone else here who have explained in clear detail why we disagree with going in this direction at highest level of racing there is in America. I agree with what Matt Weaver is posting on Twitter about his fundamental objections, I agree with what Mark Martin has said on the subject. And yes, I agree with Kyle Busch's remarks today *cringe*. My reaction to his willingness to speak his mind is to agree or disagree with his statements, never to get so triggered to think that he must be muzzled and made to tow the company line.

There are dozens more, prominent figures and regular racing fans. We aren't all crazy, and we don't all have it out for NASCAR. If NASCAR announced that they were scrapping the whole thing and going back to something close to the 2018 package, we'd all cheer. Those who strongly support the new rules would be disappointed and critical, and the shoe would be on the other foot. I presume it will be eventually, given the way different factions win out and NASCAR changes direction often. Because much of this was in development before Jim France took over, I'm genuinely, honestly curious about what his thoughts are and how the current NASCAR hierarchy will manage this as it evolves. Also curious about how much of this approach gets preserved or usurped by the Gen 7 car.
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Well put, Sir.
 
StandOnIt said:
The boys were back the last test, cars sounded like they were turning good RPM.s and they were running all over that track. Considering they had 5 wheel force cars in the test, the rest of them were pretty salty.
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I'll be watching after The Lakers stomp The Clippers
 
Yeah man I'm just not into it... sad.
 
IanMcVittie said:
I will need to see some actual races in order to make a decision. I liked last year’s racing and on principle I’m not happy about dumbing things down.
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Last years racing was pretty good. I haven't watched any racing I considered bad but quite a few that were boring. I like to keep in mind that everyone is racing under the same rules and the car has to fit in a specific box. IMO what separates the teams is the quality of the work and the dedication and training of the pit crews.
A bad example of a non-dedicated pit crew member is the tire changer who after tightening the wheel nuts, (right side) got up ran around the front of the car and looked back at the tire he had removed left standing there. In the mean time he had to wait for the jack man to get past him before he could move in to remove the left side wheel. The really sad part is he did it more than once.
The pit crew coach in the mean time made no changes to improve matters so he would be on KP duty for awhile as well.
 
“For the drivers we know who don’t like it, they are very good at what they do and they get paid a really good chunk of money to do things that take a lot of talent. If they want to spout off about (this racing) not needing a whole lot of talent, then eventually that will hit them in the pocketbook, too. They should be careful.” - NASCAR VP of Racing Development

It’s obvious the sanctioning body has replaced an actual racing product driven by top tier skilled drivers with a desperate need to simulate closer racing to savor slipping ratings and fans as long as possible. Gross.

Imagine Roger Goodell coming out and saying that any members of the NFL body that criticize the non-call in the Saints game will be hit in the pocketbook and should be careful.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
“For the drivers we know who don’t like it, they are very good at what they do and they get paid a really good chunk of money to do things that take a lot of talent. If they want to spout off about (this racing) not needing a whole lot of talent, then eventually that will hit them in the pocketbook, too. They should be careful.” - NASCAR VP of Racing Development

It’s obvious the sanctioning body has replaced an actual racing product driven by top tier skilled drivers with a desperate need to simulate closer racing to savor slipping ratings and fans as long as possible. Gross.

Imagine Roger Goodell coming out and saying that any members of the NFL body that criticize the non-call in the Saints game will be hit in the pocketbook and should be careful.
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So from what I get out of the NASCAR VP of devolpment is that “you better say you like it for the better of the company or else.” What a dope I wish someone with balls like Dale Earnhardt, Darrell Waltrip, Rusty Wallace or Tony Stewart were around to tell that dude to pound sand.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
“For the drivers we know who don’t like it, they are very good at what they do and they get paid a really good chunk of money to do things that take a lot of talent. If they want to spout off about (this racing) not needing a whole lot of talent, then eventually that will hit them in the pocketbook, too. They should be careful.” - NASCAR VP of Racing Development

It’s obvious the sanctioning body has replaced an actual racing product driven by top tier skilled drivers with a desperate need to simulate closer racing to savor slipping ratings and fans as long as possible. Gross.

Imagine Roger Goodell coming out and saying that any members of the NFL body that criticize the non-call in the Saints game will be hit in the pocketbook and should be careful.
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That bunch have a clause in their contract. It's called a gag order.
 
Snappy D said:
So from what I get out of the NASCAR VP of devolpment is that “you better say you like it for the better of the company or else.” What a dope I wish someone with balls like Dale Earnhardt, Darrell Waltrip, Rusty Wallace or Tony Stewart were around to tell that dude to pound sand.
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If Big Bill France were here he would tell them the same thing and if they didnt like it, he would tell them to go pound sand. This is NASCARS show, not the Kyle Busch show.
 
Spotter22 said:
If Big Bill France were here he would tell them the same thing and if they didnt like it, he would tell them to go pound sand. This is NASCARS show, not the Kyle Busch show.
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I believe KDB got told that. ;) He ain't no super star. :p
 
As far as the racability and the maneuverability and the passing back and forth and runs and such, slingshot moves, I don’t foresee that coming. There’s not enough draft effect on the straightaways that give you enough speed to launch you into the next corner.
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Welp.
 
StandOnIt said:
I believe KDB got told that. ;) He ain't no super star. :p
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People here now would lose their minds if Big Bill was running the show lol. The man had a sold out race at Talladega and the drivers wanted to boycott because of the tires and Bill said load your stuff and get out and ran the race with Grand Americans cars I think it was. He didnt care who you were, this was his show.
 
After scanning this thread this morning it looks like some on here needed a nap or to lay off of the hooch last night.
 
Spotter22 said:
People here now would lose their minds if Big Bill was running the show lol. The man had a sold out race at Talladega and the drivers wanted to boycott because of the tires and Bill said load your stuff and get out and ran the race with Grand Americans cars I think it was. He didnt care who you were, this was his show.
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Ran off one of the stars, Flock because he was making trouble trying to start of all things a drivers union. Reading the long version of KDB's interview he had some points to look at, but popping off like he did was uncalled for.
 
gnomesayin said:
I'm not going to do the pissing match anymore. I'm with @DUN24. I'm with @FLRacingFan, and @LewTheShoe, and everyone else here who have explained in clear detail why we disagree with going in this direction at highest level of racing there is in America. I agree with what Matt Weaver is posting on Twitter about his fundamental objections, I agree with what Mark Martin has said on the subject. And yes, I agree with Kyle Busch's remarks today *cringe*. My reaction to his willingness to speak his mind is to agree or disagree with his statements, never to get so triggered to think that he must be muzzled and made to tow the company line.

There are dozens more, prominent figures and regular racing fans. We aren't all crazy, and we don't all have it out for NASCAR. If NASCAR announced that they were scrapping the whole thing and going back to something close to the 2018 package, we'd all cheer. Those who strongly support the new rules would be disappointed and critical, and the shoe would be on the other foot. I presume it will be eventually, given the way different factions win out and NASCAR changes direction often. Because much of this was in development before Jim France took over, I'm genuinely, honestly curious about what his thoughts are and how the current NASCAR hierarchy will manage this as it evolves. Also curious about how much of this approach gets preserved or usurped by the Gen 7 car.
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Well said!
 
StandOnIt said:
Ran off one of the stars, Flock because he was making trouble trying to start of all things a drivers union. Reading the long version of KDB's interview he had some points to look at, but popping off like he did was uncalled for.
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Yeah he kinda contradicted himself saying they took the skill out of it but in the next sentence said it was gonna take skill to figure out your line and your runs and play it like a chess match. He needs to wait till he runs a lap in competition not a test
 
ChexOrWrex said:
“For the drivers we know who don’t like it, they are very good at what they do and they get paid a really good chunk of money to do things that take a lot of talent. If they want to spout off about (this racing) not needing a whole lot of talent, then eventually that will hit them in the pocketbook, too. They should be careful.” - NASCAR VP of Racing Development

It’s obvious the sanctioning body has replaced an actual racing product driven by top tier skilled drivers with a desperate need to simulate closer racing to savor slipping ratings and fans as long as possible. Gross.

Imagine Roger Goodell coming out and saying that any members of the NFL body that criticize the non-call in the Saints game will be hit in the pocketbook and should be careful.
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Yeah this Probst guy is a complete idiot and his words were an embarrassment to Nascar and an insult to the drivers.
 
Snappy D said:
So from what I get out of the NASCAR VP of devolpment is that “you better say you like it for the better of the company or else.” What a dope I wish someone with balls like Dale Earnhardt, Darrell Waltrip, Rusty Wallace or Tony Stewart were around to tell that dude to pound sand.
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Probst had a tantrum because someone called him out on his shyte show.
 
Spotter22 said:
Yeah he kinda contradicted himself saying they took the skill out of it but in the next sentence said it was gonna take skill to figure out your line and your runs and play it like a chess match. He needs to wait till he runs a lap in competition not a test
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It's always about Kyle and his over blown ego. In another article he considers himself as one of the top five Nascar drivers of all time.
 
Spotter22 said:
People here now would lose their minds if Big Bill was running the show lol. The man had a sold out race at Talladega and the drivers wanted to boycott because of the tires and Bill said load your stuff and get out and ran the race with Grand Americans cars I think it was. He didnt care who you were, this was his show.
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Big Bill likely would not have allowed a shyte show to go forward either.
 
kyle busch 18 said:
Spotter22 what team do u work for? Are you the spotter for joey logano? What other teams have u worked for
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No I dont spot for Joey, I'm semi retired. I dont go to all of the races anymore but still make it out when I can. Ive spotted for many many drivers in several series but in Cup it was Jimmy Spencer. I also do driver development in the K&N Series.
 
IanMcVittie said:
Big Bill likely would not have allowed a shyte show to go forward either.
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Big Bill was a promoter and did whatever it took for close competition. Hard to say how he would feel about this package because he damn sure wasnt afraid to change the rules
 
Spotter22 said:
Big Bill was a promoter and did whatever it took for close competition. Hard to say how he would feel about this package because he damn sure wasnt afraid to change the rules
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It’s a moot point anyway as the times are markedly different.
 
Some feel they have to see close parameter racing regardless of how much skill it takes to do it, they crave the visual effect of what they see at the plate tracks, regardless of reduction to the finer points. They could careless how difficult it is for the driver inside of the car, they just want to be entertained on their screen.

We will soon see that the previous package has been scapegoated for the decline and boredom of the people imo.
 
Turtle84 said:
Some feel they have to see close parameter racing regardless of how much skill it takes to do it, they crave the visual effect of what they see at the plate tracks, regardless of reduction to the finer points. They could careless how difficult it is for the driver inside of the car, they just want to be entertained on their screen.

We will soon see that the previous package has been scapegoated for the decline and boredom of the people imo.
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Very well said. Dumbing things down and negating someone’s individual talent is no way to go IMO.
 
Haven’t been able to follow. So who’s fast or at least stands out some? Are the Fords at a disadvantage with the new car? Thanks
 
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