NASCAR Death Bed

dpkimmel2001 said:
Only 60K? Where are all the fans at? I scream this form the comfort of my couch.
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But NASCAR doesn't have a lot of fans in California. This forum keeps telling me so.

Meanwhile, half that will show up to the best track in NASCAR this weekend which is located in NASCAR's top market and the fans who stay home will all bitch about the crowd while watching on TV. :(
 
Cali used to have 2 races and now has 1. Cali used to have between 90 -100K attend races and now has (cough cough) 60K. Cali is in the second largest populated area in the country with 20 million people. According to Side Bangs Dewar Cali has the most Nascar fans in the Nation. Something ain't adding up.
 
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aunty dive said:
Truer words were never spoken.
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I hear ya as things are definitely on the upswing when you lose a race date and put 30K less in the stands in a region with 20 million people. Old side bangs and the Joad family friend think it is good stuff. Would chat more but I'm on my way to Nelson. I told Danny Gare I would by him a drink the next time I was in town.
 
It's nice to see Smokey Mountain and Daniel Hemric stepping up to Cup for the first time, but I still do a double take every time I see Hemric's South Point Casino car in Xfinity races. I guess most of us thought South Point was only in Nascar to pay the tab for Brendan Gaughan, whose family owns the casino. But Brendan has now retired, and yet South Point remains active in Nascar. I guess they didn't get the memo about Nascar's deathbed....
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LewTheShoe said:
It's nice to see Smokey Mountain and Daniel Hemric stepping up to Cup for the first time, but I still do a double take every time I see Hemric's South Point Casino car in Xfinity races. I guess most of us thought South Point was only in Nascar to pay the tab for Brendan Gaughan, whose family owns the casino. But Brendan has now retired, and yet South Point remains active in Nascar. I guess they didn't get the memo about Nascar's deathbed....
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Do you think that the demographics of a NASCAR fan and a gambler might be the same? Hmmmm...
 
LewTheShoe said:
It's nice to see Smokey Mountain and Daniel Hemric stepping up to Cup for the first time, but I still do a double take every time I see Hemric's South Point Casino car in Xfinity races. I guess most of us thought South Point was only in Nascar to pay the tab for Brendan Gaughan, whose family owns the casino. But Brendan has now retired, and yet South Point remains active in Nascar. I guess they didn't get the memo about Nascar's deathbed....
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I know I was surprised. Hemeric is doing a good job of it.
 
rowdy3 said:
This guy thinks nascar is done.
https://929thegame.radio.com/articles/nascar-dying-and-they-have-no-idea-how-save-it?src=rss
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I read it, and he had some good points and some ludicrous comments as well. He loved Nascar in earlier days. I agree with a few items;

> He misses the characters and tough men of NASCAR’S best era. Says too many of today’s drivers are bland and have no personality. I agree. In the previous era these were real men, in a dangerous sport, who played hard and dished it out. Today, in an effort to not offend, I think NASCAR and sponsors muzzle everyone. For as much as I don’t like KDB, he doesn’t fail to punch the envelope. I like that part of him.

> He believes the downslide started with the car of tomorrow generating bland racing, coupled with tracks and owners jacking prices to the moon, followed by the original chase format with 10 drivers. As I’ve said before the confluence of these multiple situations combined with the recession put a big squash on the sport that they never recovered from.
 
Conover said:
In the previous era these were real men, in a dangerous sport, who played hard and dished it out
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Unfortunately or fortunately NASCAR is no longer a "dangerous sport". This is one of the reasons the number of fans continue to decline.
 
DIDIT said:
Unfortunately or fortunately NASCAR is no longer a "dangerous sport". This is one of the reasons the number of fans continue to decline.
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There are even some on here who describe racing as a daredevil show rather than a sporting contest of skill. They equate modern racing - with its rarity of death or serious injury - to daredevils on a tightrope 3 feet above the ground and with a safety net. They say that's boring!

To all those "fans" I say good bye and good riddance... you were here for the wrong reasons, and you will not be missed. We will gladly adjust to racing without your numbers and without your money.

I love racing as a skill-based sport. When I was racing, I never considered myself a daredevil. I know a fair number of racers more successful at it than myself, and they are not daredevils either. They are Racers... a completely different mindset from a daredevil show.

A batter trying to hit a 100 mph fastball is a skill-based sporting contest. The appeal of that contest is not that he can die from taking the ball to his temple. A modern batting helmet does not lessen the worth of the sport. Not to me. Same thing with a hockey goalie facing a 105 mph slap shot. If a goalie wears a facemask, that does not cheapen what he does as a skill-based sport.

Fans of racing know that... you screw up and it will take you out of the race, maybe out of the championship. And it might kill you too but that's much less likely today... and that is a very good thing.
 
Well said. I love non-wing sprint car and midget racing, but I cringe at how deadly it can still be. I hate that it took Bryan Clauson, Dave Steele, and so many others from us. If it could somehow be made safe without losing its essence, I would love it with less reservation.

Correction: Steele died in a winged race. Same point stands.
 
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The sport isn't as dangerous, NASCAR made way too many gimmicks, and Earnhardt, Stewart, Gordon, Kenseth, Martin and the rest of the old timers before that are gone. I think if NASCAR actually tried to go back on some things, and go back to more short track and road course races we wouldn't be complaining about attendance as much.

I will gladly make the trip to LVMS for 4 solid days in a row of stock car racing (K&N on dirt!) in September. No more ridiculous traffic to simply get out of an Xfinity race or wait 5 hours to get out of a parking lot after a Cup race like in 2007.
 
There's nothing I hate worse than to see a driver or anyone get hurt at a stock car race. I have never raced, but my first cousin has been running open wheeled asphalt modifiers for years. I may be way wrong on this. But, its my belief if you know one racer, you know all of them. They're some of the hardest working people I've ever been around. And most of their hard work is in their spare time, after their normal job. Ive never known a "dare devil" at the local level. Known some that made bad decisions, but not "dare devils". Smart racers that buy and or build their stuff usually ain't gonna tear it all to pieces and risk life or limb being stupid. It happens, not too often thankfully.
 
AuzGrams said:
The sport isn't as dangerous, NASCAR made way too many gimmicks, and Earnhardt, Stewart, Gordon, Kenseth, Martin and the rest of the old timers before that are gone. I think if NASCAR actually tried to go back on some things, and go back to more short track and road course races we wouldn't be complaining about attendance as much.

I will gladly make the trip to LVMS for 4 solid days in a row of stock car racing (K&N on dirt!) in September. No more ridiculous traffic to simply get out of an Xfinity race or wait 5 hours to get out of a parking lot after a Cup race like in 2007.
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If NASCAR wasnt/inst dangerous, then explain why Adam Petty , Kenny Irwin, Tony Roper, Dale Sr died? (just to name a few), then why did Jerry Nadeau get seriously injured at Richmond ?, Ernie Irvan ring a bell, why did Dale Jr get multiply concussions while driving a race car in NASCAR?

Having this attitude of, oh, its not that dangerous is what gets people injured or killed, when it comes to safety in racing, you have to be proactive and always be looking at ways to make it safer.

Yes, its hell of a lot safer than it was, but there is still that element of danger in NASCAR.
 
In my circle I have never known anyone to watch racing to see cars blow up or see drivers get injured or worse but your experience may differ. I will say that prior to the cars becoming more reliable and cars and tracks becoming safer there was an unspoken tension in the air that anything could happen at anytime. I was at MIS when Clifford Allison perished and Ernie Irvan has a near death experience and that sort of thing is brutal.

One thing of note is that the fans that take a special interest in safety have nothing to say about the 4 plate races that are run each year. In some ways we have been lulled into a false sense of security but plate racing puts drivers, team members and fans at an unnecessary risk. It makes sense that for safety's sake a solution is found for Daytona and Talladega instead of the 30 year old bandaid.
 
I think Nascar has made racing so safe that the drivers no longer fear making stupid moves
that could kill them not to many years ago. So, the most unsafe thing in racing today is the driver with no fear next to Nascar insisting that the speeds go up every year.
 
Team Penske said:
I think Nascar has made racing so safe that the drivers no longer fear making stupid moves
that could kill them not to many years ago. So, the most unsafe thing in racing today is the driver with no fear next to Nascar insisting that the speeds go up every year.
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I don't think this is true. hitting the wall at a bad angle at 150 -200 MPH is going to hurt and in cases can severely injure a driver. Keselowski, And Kyle Busch have had broken bones, Almiriola says he is a 1/2 an inch shorter after his back injury, Jr's concussion, and it is a small miracle that Danica isn't walking around in circles talking to herself. Yeah the tracks and the cars continue to get safer, but bottom line is the driver hits the wall and it still hurts like hell.
 
LewTheShoe said:
There are even some on here who describe racing as a daredevil show rather than a sporting contest of skill. They equate modern racing - with its rarity of death or serious injury - to daredevils on a tightrope 3 feet above the ground and with a safety net. They say that's boring!

To all those "fans" I say good bye and good riddance... you were here for the wrong reasons, and you will not be missed. We will gladly adjust to racing without your numbers and without your money.

I love racing as a skill-based sport. When I was racing, I never considered myself a daredevil. I know a fair number of racers more successful at it than myself, and they are not daredevils either. They are Racers... a completely different mindset from a daredevil show.

A batter trying to hit a 100 mph fastball is a skill-based sporting contest. The appeal of that contest is not that he can die from taking the ball to his temple. A modern batting helmet does not lessen the worth of the sport. Not to me. Same thing with a hockey goalie facing a 105 mph slap shot. If a goalie wears a facemask, that does not cheapen what he does as a skill-based sport.

Fans of racing know that... you screw up and it will take you out of the race, maybe out of the championship. And it might kill you too but that's much less likely today... and that is a very good thing.
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Maybe you should tell the networks, the tracks, and NASCAR to stop advertising the sport with crashes then. The fans that you say good riddance to will stop showing up faster and watching the sport on TV. Based upon the advertising of the crashes in commercial spots that the networks, different tracks and NASCAR air they don't have the same opinion that you do.
 
That is one of the keys to success for Nascar, many fans know how important it is to support the sponsors. And yeah before some wise ass says the opposite, Many fans, me included have been doing it for years and continue to do so.
 
I think people should spend their own money as they see fit. If someone wants a FIAT or a Nissan they should get one instead of what NASCAR races. I like M&M’s so I buy them but never thought of buying an interstate battery. If people deliberately chose to purchase products that sponsor nascar and are happy with them then it is a win win
 
Towmater said:
Maybe you should tell the networks, the tracks, and NASCAR to stop advertising the sport with crashes then. The fans that you say good riddance to will stop showing up faster and watching the sport on TV. Based upon the advertising of the crashes in commercial spots that the networks, different tracks and NASCAR air they don't have the same opinion that you do.
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Wrong. Bending up race cars is not the same as killing drivers. If it was, no one would say Nascar has become bland because it is too safe.
 
Another silly sponsor who didn't get the deathbed memo...

Axalta, Hendrick Motorsports extend partnership through 2022

Axalta and Hendrick Motorsports have extended their long-standing partnership with a four-year contract extension through 2022, the team announced Friday.

The leading global coatings company will serve as a 25-race primary sponsor from 2018-2022. ( Link )
 
AuzGrams said:
The sport isn't as dangerous, NASCAR made way too many gimmicks, and Earnhardt, Stewart, Gordon, Kenseth, Martin and the rest of the old timers before that are gone. I think if NASCAR actually tried to go back on some things, and go back to more short track and road course races we wouldn't be complaining about attendance as much.

I will gladly make the trip to LVMS for 4 solid days in a row of stock car racing (K&N on dirt!) in September. No more ridiculous traffic to simply get out of an Xfinity race or wait 5 hours to get out of a parking lot after a Cup race like in 2007.
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Do not like the politics and media hype as to how it is playing out in regards to the "old timers" like Kenseth (was he really considered an old timer?) being forced out with at least a few more competitive years left, and the over the top hype towards predetermined youth movement. Have reluctantly jumped on to the Harvick band wagon...and as much as I cannot stand that crook Hendricks, hope JJ makes a comeback. Do not want youth served on a greased platter. I want them to work for it, pay their dues...cut their fingers, get grease UNDER their finger nails. Sick and tired of steering wheel holders...like F1 pansies.
 
OldTimer said:
Do not like the politics and media hype as to how it is playing out in regards to the "old timers" like Kenseth (was he really considered an old timer?) being forced out with at least a few more competitive years left, and the over the top hype towards predetermined youth movement. Have reluctantly jumped on to the Harvick band wagon...and as much as I cannot stand that crook Hendricks, hope JJ makes a comeback. Do not want youth served on a greased platter. I want them to work for it, pay their dues...cut their fingers, get grease UNDER their finger nails. Sick and tired of steering wheel holders...like F1 pansies.
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I guess you can call it politics, but it only involved one team JGR. Stewart, Gordon, and Jr retired without the drama. Kenseth got a raw deal IMO.
 
StandOnIt said:
I don't think this is true. hitting the wall at a bad angle at 150 -200 MPH is going to hurt and in cases can severely injure a driver. Keselowski, And Kyle Busch have had broken bones, Almiriola says he is a 1/2 an inch shorter after his back injury, Jr's concussion, and it is a small miracle that Danica isn't walking around in circles talking to herself. Yeah the tracks and the cars continue to get safer, but bottom line is the driver hits the wall and it still hurts like hell.
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Hurts like hell but the fear of death is gone. Remember it happens to that other guy not me.
 
Team Penske said:
Hurts like hell but the fear of death is gone. Remember it happens to that other guy not me.
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I get what you're saying, and it definitely comes into play with some of the antics that are pulled at plate races. But, I mean, people getting killed driving race cars is a bad thing. I'm anti- young men and women losing their lives doing what they love and entertaining me. The deadly reality of motorsports has been an unfortunate side effect, not a selling point.
 
OldTimer said:
Do not like the politics and media hype as to how it is playing out in regards to the "old timers" like Kenseth (was he really considered an old timer?) being forced out with at least a few more competitive years left, and the over the top hype towards predetermined youth movement. Have reluctantly jumped on to the Harvick band wagon...and as much as I cannot stand that crook Hendricks, hope JJ makes a comeback. Do not want youth served on a greased platter. I want them to work for it, pay their dues...cut their fingers, get grease UNDER their finger nails. Sick and tired of steering wheel holders...like F1 pansies.
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