NASCAR Death Bed

Yep, up to the track. Being around the people that others have described as seeing at a NASCAR event isn't my cup of tea. Also, I wouldn't want any kids around that either. BTW, I've never understood the need to escape reality via a legal or illegal substance. Just my opinion, but life is strange and wondrous enough without indulging in something that becomes a false god for many.
 
Towmater said:
Yep, up to the track. Being around the people that others have described as seeing at a NASCAR event isn't my cup of tea. Also, I wouldn't want any kids around that either. BTW, I've never understood the need to escape reality via a legal or illegal substance. Just my opinion, but life is strange and wondrous enough without indulging in something that becomes a false god for many.
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maybe you should get a law degree and go after em.
 
I'll wait and see what the ruling on that post will be. If it stands it opens the door up for all sorts of fun to start.

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Wrote too fast. Poofville.

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Look into a law degree? Hmm, that interesting. LOL. Of course, running for office might be a better way to effect alcohol sales and the laws surrounding it. Just saying...LOL.
 
BobbyFord said:
Prohibition didn’t work.
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The discussion was about the track selling alcohol and not allowing the drunking rednecks to bring it in via their coolers. Alcohol would still be available to be consumed.
 
Towmater said:
The discussion was about the track selling alcohol and not allowing the drunking rednecks to bring it in via their coolers. Alcohol would still be available to be consumed.
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What difference does it make then?
I go to LVMS and ACS every year and you can’t bring beer in.
 
Going to a race that has the interesting things going on in it via drunken fans isn't what I'd be up for or want my kids around. I'm looking to have a discussion about passed out people in the infield or whatever. The tracks serving, limiting service, and the areas it can be in would make it more enjoyable to me to attend. That's the difference.
 
Towmater said:
Going to a race that has the interesting things going on in it via drunken fans isn't what I'd be up for or want my kids around. I'm looking to have a discussion about passed out people in the infield or whatever. The tracks serving, limiting service, and the areas it can be in would make it more enjoyable to me to attend. That's the difference.
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Maybe you could petition your local speedway to install sober living seating areas?
I’ve never seen someone passed out at a NASCAR event. From my seats, I can’t see what’s going on in the infield.
 
Why? My solution solves any issues with fan over consuming and doing stupid things.
 
Didn't Kyle Busch or was that fan sober? If so, then what happened was a real case of the dumb ____. My comments were in response to what Jimmy Johnson stated he see at tracks in the infield when he goes out for a morning run, and what other people on the board have stated they have seen. Nothing like having those types of teachable moments thrust on a parent or out there when you are trying to attract new fans.
 
kk5fan said:
Towmater, I was right with you until you started your self-righteous anti-alcohol rant. Most people are able to drink responsibly.
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True. However, the ones that don't and end up in fights/trying to start fights, or drive drunk kind of make up for those that can handle it. Don't ya think? Thus, limiting the consumption of alcohol becomes a requirement in modern society and at many events. Those that drink irresponsibly cause that type of reaction to occur.
 
BobbyFord said:
If you don’t like what is going on outside of your own front room then stay in the house.
Seems pretty simple to me. :idunno:
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That's funny and might be why new fans aren't interested in the sport or trying to attend a race. Shouting down someone for seeing an issue that many have a problem with or wouldn't want their kids exposed to limits the field you can draw from. A sport should be opening its arms to try and include as many as possible. Not saying, "Well, our fan base is falling so everyone else should stay in their lane 'cause we don't want them people that seek change." I can think of another issue that fits perfectly in this type of discussion but the last time I bought it up it got poofed. Oh, well.
 
Towmater said:
That's funny and might be why new fans aren't interested in the sport or trying to attend a race. Shouting down someone for seeing an issue that many have a problem with or wouldn't want their kids exposed to limits the field you can draw from. A sport should be opening its arms to try and include as many as possible. Not saying, "Well, our fan base is falling so everyone else should stay in their lane 'cause we don't want them people that seek change." I can think of another issue that fits perfectly in this type of discussion but the last time I bought it up it got poofed. Oh, well.
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dang you found a new reason. Whoopie
 
I get it. Some people don't like change. Some long for yesteryear. Unfortunately, the fan base is aging and not being replaced. Keeping the same atmosphere at the tracks isn't working. At the rates the fan base has stopped turning in, radical change will have to take place for the sport to exist.

Sticking one's head in the sand isn't working.
 
Towmater said:
That's funny and might be why new fans aren't interested in the sport or trying to attend a race. Shouting down someone for seeing an issue that many have a problem with or wouldn't want their kids exposed to limits the field you can draw from. A sport should be opening its arms to try and include as many as possible. Not saying, "Well, our fan base is falling so everyone else should stay in their lane 'cause we don't want them people that seek change." I can think of another issue that fits perfectly in this type of discussion but the last time I bought it up it got poofed. Oh, well.
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Name any pro sporting event that has limitations on fan alcohol consumption.
I’ll wait.
Most fans don’t require parenting.
Stay home if you don’t like what you see at the racetrack.
 
Dang it Bobby I got to go get the paper towels..or is that a problem for Nascar's demise :D come to think of it I don't believe I have heard that one either
 
BobbyFord said:
Name any pro sporting event that has limitations on fan alcohol consumption.
I’ll wait.
Most fans don’t require parenting.
Stay TF home if you don’t like what you see at the racetrack..
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The limitation I sought was not allowing coolers with beer to be brought in, and serving only in certain areas. Did you miss that? That caused that type of reply. ROFLMAO.
 
Towmater said:
The limitation I sought was not allowing coolers with beer to be brought in, and serving only in certain areas. Did you miss that? That caused that type of reply. ROFLMAO.
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I can’t control what other people do at the racetrack but I can control whether or not I see your words on this website.
Welcome to the ignore list.
Bye bye :waver:
 
StandOnIt said:
Dang it Bobby I got to go get the paper towels..or is that a problem for Nascar's demise :D come to think of it I don't believe I have heard that one either
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It better than reading, "its the whatever number time I read that comment" you generally post. Did my post about a sliver of truth being in an opinion you've read that much cause you to stop using your go to line? BTW, what place did Kenseth finish in last night? Do you think Bayne would have finished about there too? Ya know, cause they both seem to have been finishing in the same area since they brought in Kenseth to fix their problems. His average starting position of 22.8 and an average finish of 22.5 really ain't set the world on fire for Roush.
 
Towmater said:
The limitation I sought was not allowing coolers with beer to be brought in, and serving only in certain areas. Did you miss that? That caused that type of reply. ROFLMAO.
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Serious question: how do you then police tailgating? Some of the worst experiences I’ve had with drunks at an event were at college football games where NO alcohol is served. (At least is wasn’t when I was in school, some conferences do sell at games now). People get smashed pregaming and cause massive trouble in stands during game. That said, I’ve seen people pass-out drunk at races as well...
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
Serious question: how do you then police tailgating? Some of the worst experiences I’ve had with drunks at an event were at college football games where NO alcohol is served. (At least is wasn’t when I was in school, some conferences do sell at games now). People get smashed pregaming and cause massive trouble in stands during game. That said, I’ve seen people pass-out drunk at races as well...
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Easy, the parking lot is private property and subject to the rules the owner of the property wants placed upon it. Public intoxication and serving whatever can be banned. You ask it to stop, then you tell, then you make it stop.
 
I dislike drunken rowdy antics and have no use for them. Generally I think our society has been way too tolerant of abusive alcohol consumption, and this would certainly include sporting events. When alcohol is abused, and it often is, it is enormously destructive. If any race track I wished to attend chose to ban alcohol altogether, I wouldn't care. Designated alcohol-free seating areas are a good practice IMO.

That said, this is a wild tangent, given the scope of the decline that some purport to know how to 'solve'. No evidence has been cited that tracks with stricter alcohol policies have attracted more fans or more new fans. No evidence has been cited that tracks with more lenient policies are experiencing larger declines in attendance, TV ratings, or any other metric. Without any whiff of data to back it up, this is just anecdotal speculation based on personal preference.

In reality, several of the newer ISC tracks formerly banned coolers and outside beverages to be brought into the front gates / grandstands entirely, and have softened policies in the past decade because of the lower demand for tickets. That's right, attendance fell precipitously under the bans being suggested, and the bans were rescinded / loosened in an attempt to draw some fans back in. On the whole, I think the two have very little do with each other.
 
Apparently, we have to have scientific data to express an opinion now on what might help the sport. Umm, which University to turn to and fund a study through? lol. Also, can one draw the correct correlation of this one factor causing the outcome suggested without a scientific study that was referenced. Umm, yep need to figure out what University to fund the study through.

Oh, and were did all the attendance data come from? I'd love to see all the week by week track attendance that is published. I didn't know that was available anymore.
 
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Again for emphasis, your suggested changes were implemented at many tracks during the '00s, and attendance and interest declined under those policies. Some tracks have since loosened their policies to allow small coolers based on fan complaints.

What would help support your stance is some trace of evidence beyond your personal distaste for drunken behavior (which I share). I'm not a moderator, but as far as I'm concerned, you can express your personal opinion. Others can assess and react to it. I share the opinion, and reject the conclusion that it would affect attendance or any other metric in any meaningful way.
 
Towmater said:
Easy, the parking lot is private property and subject to the rules the owner of the property wants placed upon it. Public intoxication and serving whatever can be banned. You ask it to stop, then you tell, then you make it stop.
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Fair enough. Darn near impossible to enforce, but I see where you’re coming from.
 
yeah it is a serious reason for the demise of Nascar, to cooler or not to cooler. Got to get those beer wagons out of the sport.
 
I’d be curious to know if the percentage decline at track with cooler policies has been greater than, less than, or the same as other tracks without one since the 2000’s. Also, I’d love to see the year by year breakdown of those losses by the tracks that have those policies. Lastly, I’d love to see the year by year attendance data of the tracks that have been indicated since they reversed that policy.

Hyperlinks to that data would be most helpful. I'd love to see track attendance data year by year from the early 2000's to the last race held there this season.
 
Interesting.
Seems the wish of the one outweighs the
Want of the many. I went to Bristol 2 weeks ago. Didn't drink alchohol, plenty of people around us did, and you know what ? We still had a awesome time. The obnoxious , redneck, NASCAR stereotypes were not evident those 2 nights in Tennesse. There were plenty of people imbibing in merriment and I would have been right there with them, but a 1 hour ride to the hotel negated that.
I guess it was what we made of it. And we made the most of it.
 
My buddy and I were on the grounds at the US Nationals Saturday for almost twelve hours and we saw exactly ONE person who appeared to have consumed too much alcohol, and he wasn't bothering anybody, he just couldn't figure out how to operate a porta-potty. I think in most cases, the issue is really an over blown non-issue.
 
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