NASCAR Death Bed

Matthew2470 said:
I travel a bit for work and have noticed that manufacturer is no longer a consideration for me when I pick out a rental. I go for aesthetics and the best options as far as easily connecting my phone via Blu-tooth to a killer stereo.

However, at age 47, I still love classic American cars and I still buy American. NASCAR has zero impact on this.

Another thing is the power of nostalgia. I have never owned a vehicle that I will feel any time of nostalgia for. Especially since I had a couple of mini-vans when my son was young. haha
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I have had some daily drivers that were great vehicles at the time but nothing I wish I could own again. There are exceptions but I don’t pine for anything built after 1972.

It is easy to see how the car culture has been rubbed out as crap like the Citation, Cavalier, Omni, Horizon, Escort and Fairmont certainly were not cars that inspired a generation. Civics and Corollas were good little cars but nothing to aspire too.

I love V8’s and have 2 in my fleet but CAFE is killing displacent and number of cylinders overall. NASCAR will probably have to get with that program sometime.
 
LewTheShoe said:
I'm no expert on the business of sports TV, but the article linked says FS1 and NBCSN each have about 84 million subscribers and ESPN has 86 million. That's pretty close, a lot closer than when those two fledgling networks acquired Nascar broadcast rights. Isn't that what they were trying to do?
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ESPN has lost a lot of subscribers in recent years. Thus their multiple rounds of layoffs, etc.

I don't have time to search in depth at the moment, but here's an article from Nov. 2017:

"The network, one of the most watched on the cable dial, had 88 million U.S. subscribers at the end of September, including people paying for online versions, Disney said in its annual report Wednesday. That’s down from a peak of 100 million in 2010 and marks the lowest total since 2003."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rop-to-14-year-low-putting-pressure-on-disney
 
I thought the question was, how come NBCSN and FOX sports increased their subscriptions with the common denominator being Nascar races, and how come ESPN lost so many after Nascar left? Surely some of the posters who are so concerned about the next TV contract for Nascar should have some answers?
 
I don't want to get too deeply into this given all of the agendas involved, but ESPN peaked at 101 million subscribers in 2011, and has dropped since. Most analysts would attribute that to the drop in overall cable / satellite TV subscribers, which correlates pretty well. ESPN has been on the vast majority of basic cable packages since the 1990s. The newer sports networks have not been until more recently.

Regardless of which sports network or property is being discussed, one of the most overlooked factors is that while sports television viewership may have dropped in some areas and increased elsewhere, traditional entertainment viewership is down much more vastly and sharply. This makes sports programming more important and valuable to networks and providers than it ever has been. That includes NASCAR and nearly every other major sport.
 
gnomesayin said:
ESPN has been on the vast majority of basic cable packages since the 1990s. The newer sports networks have not been until more recently.
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I agree with everything you said, Mr. Gnome. But just to clarify, this effect that I bolded... isn't that what NBCSN and FS1 were trying to accomplish by upgrading their portfolio of live sports properties? I had heard that Nascar was part of their plan to increase their subscriber base... and it seems to have worked (if they are in about 84 million homes, just 2 million less than ESPN at 86 million).
 
That seems like a correct characterization to me, yes. I would argue that NASCAR has been even more important for the viability and increased carriage of NBCSN than FS1, as they have a thinner collection of major sports rights.
 
I read a story a while back that said both FOX and NBC lose millions of dollars each year on the broadcast deals if you factor in what they are allowed to charge for 30 second spots. For NBC the loss was over 100 million so it is nothing to sneeze at.

One of the assumptions is that NASCAR is going to take a major league haircut when negotiating its next broadcast deal. It is perfectly logical to think that way but when live sports deals are being negotiated conventional wisdom goes out the window.

As of right now the tracks and NASCAR are getting paid well but the teams are having to make do with a lot less. If NASCAR reallocated the broadcast pie and gave more to the teams you would all thee legs of the stool in place and healthy. Oh and that is with no tickets sold and racing in an empty stadium each week.

IDK when the current deal expires but it will be interesting to see what things look like in the next one.
 
Still haven't gotten my list of posters using different names.

Oh, and to the point of the thread -


The lowest rated race in 18 years. Yep, everything is super duper in NASCAR Land. Well, to those that don't want a dose of reality it is. LOL.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
No one has reported anything.
Perhaps to clarify --- I read quickly and sometimes I miss things. If I do see obvious insults, I either edit or remove.
I read the words that as written. I apply no emotion or feelings to those words. Sometimes I cannot tell if the poster, or the post
is being referenced. If I see no obvious insult to the poster, the post stands. If someone feels that the post is insulting to them, personally --- report it. I will take another look. But that doesn't mean I'll do anything. On the other hand, I may edit or remove.
We, as a forum, have been pretty successful for 17 years. I hope it continues.
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So, in the Spotter22 and StandOnIt exchange that you issued a public warning someone was hitting the report button. OK, got it. In the future, I'll use it.
 
Towmater said:
Still haven't gotten my list of posters using different names.

Oh, and to the point of the thread -


The lowest rated race in 18 years. Yep, everything is super duper in NASCAR Land. Well, to those that don't want a dose of reality it is. LOL.
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The local gold mine opened with shares selling at $13. They peaked out at $78 and then gradually slid down to $58, a range they sustained for many years.
point being............................ Nascar is doing the same thing. It isn't dying, just falling to a point where it can sustain itself. Who knows where that will be?
 
Team Penske said:
The local gold mine opened with shares selling at $13. They peaked out at $78 and then gradually slid down to $58, a range they sustained for many years.
point being............................ Nascar is doing the same thing. It isn't dying, just falling to a point where it can sustain itself. Who knows where that will be?
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Great post. It's not the end of the world it's just that the Billionaire's won't make as many millions as they have in the past

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Team Penske said:
The local gold mine opened with shares selling at $13. They peaked out at $78 and then gradually slid down to $58, a range they sustained for many years.
point being............................ Nascar is doing the same thing. It isn't dying, just falling to a point where it can sustain itself. Who knows where that will be?
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NBC doesn't know either. Ratings since they took over this year compared to last year. (I left out Kansas as we know what happened there and is fresh in recent posts) -

Chicago – Up 14% in ratings and 10% in viewership
Daytona – Down 16% in ratings and 18% in viewership
Kentucky – Down 19% in ratings and 16% in viewership
New Hampshire – Down 23% in ratings and 22% in viewership
Pocono – Down 23% in ratings and 25% in viewership
Watkins Glen – Up 15% in ratings and 13% in viewership
Michigan – Down 20% in ratings and 20% in viewership
Bristol – Down 39% in ratings and 39% in viewership
Darlington – Down 17% in ratings and 14% in viewership
Las Vegas – Down +- in ratings and 7% in viewership
Richmond – Down 17% in ratings and 17% in viewership
Charlotte – Up 6% in ratings and 13% in viewership
Dover – Down +- in ratings and 2% in viewership
Talladega – Down 21% in ratings and 26% in viewership
 
StandOnIt said:
Ally Financial joins Johnson, No. 48 team as full-season primary sponsor
http://www.espn.com/jayski/cup/2018...ohnson-no-48-team-full-season-primary-sponsor
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It seems that Hendrick will muddle through for a little longer before declaring HMS insolvent. I can't wait to hear the spin the deathbedders put on this... I'm sure it will be creative.

For some of us, the highlight of the Nascar week comes on Sunday because that's raceday. For others, the highlight comes on Monday or Tuesday... when the TV ratings come out. Me personally, I'm a raceday sorta guy.
 
In today’s NASCAR gaining a full season primary sponsor is absolutely huge. Normally the stuff that gets posted is very minor so this is a nice surprise
 
LewTheShoe said:
It seems that Hendrick will muddle through for a little longer before declaring HMS insolvent. I can't wait to hear the spin the deathbedders put on this... I'm sure it will be creative.

For some of us, the highlight of the Nascar week comes on Sunday because that's raceday. For others, the highlight comes on Monday or Tuesday... when the TV ratings come out. Me personally, I'm a raceday sorta guy.
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Raceday is a great day too. Nice to get the crowd shots and see that the same 1/3 to 1/2 of the stands are always in the bathroom or getting a soda.:D :D :D :D
 
Fun fact/Trivia about Ally, its a returning sponsor to HMS....................
 
I am not going to be able to see the race until the morning as I have run out of time today. I expect when I tune in I will see a good race run in front of a near capacity crowd. Looking forward to seeing all the cool kids on the party deck too.
 
I agree with what a lot of people said about the race on the rate the race thread. In other words I really enjoyed it and I am sure it was fantastic to see it in person.

I missed any talk they had about the party deck but what is there not to like about something like that? As far as attendance goes all I will say is that a lot of people missed seeing an exciting race in person.
 
IanMcVittie said:
I agree with what a lot of people said about the race on the rate the race thread. In other words I really enjoyed it and I am sure it was fantastic to see it in person.

I missed any talk they had about the party deck but what is there not to like about something like that? As far as attendance goes all I will say is that a lot of people missed seeing an exciting race in person.
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When you say a lot, that sounds like you were there and saw the empty seats.
 
Mopardh9 said:
When you say a lot, that sounds like you were there and saw the empty seats.
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I thought Martinsville had removed a bunch of seats which is why I anticipated a near capacity crowd for the race. Obviously that was not the case from the shots provided by NBCS.

Regardless it was a good race.
 
They removed the seats in top of the tower and added the party deck. Didn’t find any pics on insta or anyone talking about it. On tv you could see there was people up there but hard to tell how many. They also removed the first 4 rows in turns 1 and 2. They also removed the last 10 rows in turns 3 and 4.
 
Will Ally bring back viewers and fill the stands again? ;)

But seriously, securing a full-year primary sponsor, in this day and age, is a major accomplishment. Great for HMS and the 48 team, and for NASCAR to an extent. However, I'm not ready to proclaim that the tide has turned. When, for example, there are again waiting lists to get tickets for Bristol races, THAT would be a leap in the right direction.

I'd love to see the terms of the deal. Namely, how much Ally is paying compared to what Lowes has been paying. Without that info, quite frankly it's hard to say how big this really is.
 
Candace66 said:
Will Ally bring back viewers and fill the stands again? ;)

But seriously, securing a full-year primary sponsor, in this day and age, is a major accomplishment. Great for HMS and the 48 team, and for NASCAR to an extent. However, I'm not ready to proclaim that the tide has turned. When, for example, there are again waiting lists to get tickets for Bristol races, THAT would be a leap in the right direction.

I'd love to see the terms of the deal. Namely, how much Ally is paying compared to what Lowes has been paying. Without that info, quite frankly it's hard to say how big this really is.
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I doubt JJ took a cut in salary but his new CC may have. Still I think as long as HMS is getting 20 million for the year they can turn a profit.
 
Hendrick Motorsports is the most valuable team in Nascar, up down or sideways no matter how you figure it. The smaller teams are the one's who need the most help to be solvent. Nascar next year is reducing the field in Xfinity by two cars. Bad news for a couple of start and parkers, a little help for everyone else because the money is cut less. The skater, notorious start and parker Morgan Shepherd and Harmon aren't too happy about it.
 
IanMcVittie said:
You are absolutely right as you need the whole picture to ascertain the true value.
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Deja vu all over again...:oops:

Candace66 said:
Will Ally bring back viewers and fill the stands again?
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That is not Ally Financial's job, not their objective. Selling more financial products and services is their goal. That's how they will make their shareholders happy... you know, the private equity guys, institutional investors, and Wall Street banks that own and control Ally Financial. That's why Ally is planning aggressive B-2-B activation.

Deathbedders trying to spin this HMS news need to step up your game. So far we have... they used to be owned by GM a long time ago... and it's probably just cheese money anyway. C'mon guys, get creative.
 
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Candace66 said:
Will Ally bring back viewers and fill the stands again? ;)

But seriously, securing a full-year primary sponsor, in this day and age, is a major accomplishment. Great for HMS and the 48 team, and for NASCAR to an extent. However, I'm not ready to proclaim that the tide has turned. When, for example, there are again waiting lists to get tickets for Bristol races, THAT would be a leap in the right direction.

I'd love to see the terms of the deal. Namely, how much Ally is paying compared to what Lowes has been paying. Without that info, quite frankly it's hard to say how big this really is.
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For sure as when you see something posted like BZ Muffler Belts is sponsoring Timmy Hill for one race it really tells you nothing.
 
StandOnIt said:
It is something concrete instead of by the guess and by golly that makes up the bulk of this threa.

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The GMG sponsorship of whathisname is great but unless we know what the financial terms of the deal are we don’t know much at all. Maybe the sponsorship was paid with gift cards from Richard’s bar and grill.:D
 
There is a Nascar "get ya some of that" Fast N Loud episode behind it all. Cory will be doing parade speed laps at Texas :D
 
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