NASCAR Death Bed

I think it was reported that the BK charters sold for 2 million so if Barney got somewhere in that area it is certainly better than nothing.
 
StandOnIt said:
That is a log way from penny less and empty handed if they didn't have the charter system.
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So we know the charter itself was worth at least 6 million, probably more but not everything sells for top dollar and we also know that the new buyer will have at least that in purse money over 2019 and possibly beyond depending on how often they grade the charter and when its value increases or decreases. Win win for both I'd say.
 
IanMcVittie said:
I think it was reported that the BK charters sold for 2 million so if Barney got somewhere in that area it is certainly better than nothing.
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Vissers Charter is worth significantly more then the BK Charrters in the future purse money alone.
 
A guy that can build a team from scratch and win a Cup title is a pretty sharp cat. I'll always like him because he extended Kurts career. He took a chance on a damaged goods driver, and helped him get back on his feet.
 
Spotter22 said:
Vissers Charter is worth significantly more then the BK Charrters in the future purse money alone.
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That makes sense I just have not gone back and read the article where it says the charter sold for 6 million
 
I don’t recall what Barney had to pay for the 77 franchise or what it sold for or if it was reported
 
mack said:
A guy that can build a team from scratch and win a Cup title is a pretty sharp cat. I'll always like him because he extended Kurts career. He took a chance on a damaged goods driver, and helped him get back on his feet.
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Kurt’s driving acumen was never in question do hiring Kurt was a no brainer. Beats the hell out of Almondeater or Jack Spratt anyway
 
Spotter22 said:
So we know the charter itself was worth at least 6 million, probably more but not everything sells for top dollar and we also know that the new buyer will have at least that in purse money over 2019 and possibly beyond depending on how often they grade the charter and when its value increases or decreases. Win win for both I'd say.
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In round numbers 6 million divided by 36 races means the charter guarantees about a buck 70 a race. Not bad at all especially if they are not planning on spending much
 
IanMcVittie said:
That makes sense I just have not gone back and read the article where it says the charter sold for 6 million
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It's the most valuable charter sold because the payments tied to historical performance are going to be much bigger than one floating around between the backmarker/midpacker teams from year to year.
 
IanMcVittie said:
In round numbers 6 million divided by 36 races means the charter guarantees about a buck 70 a race. Not bad at all especially if they are not planning on spending much
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I'm sure their plan isnt to race off of Purse money, Braun has money and partners who can help also.
 
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. I wonder where all their people wound up? I'm guessing there was a pool of exceptional talent that came available. I'm betting all those guys wound up on their feet.
 
FLRacingFan said:


It's the most valuable charter sold because the payments tied to historical performance are going to be much bigger than one floating around between the backmarker/midpacker teams from year to year.
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Thanks so much for the info. It would be surprising if we ever see a top team close down like this again and bring about a sale like this.
 
mack said:
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. I wonder where all their people wound up? I'm guessing there was a pool of exceptional talent that came available. I'm betting all those guys wound up on their feet.
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IDK if FRR being based in Denver would impact things much but I agree that top people will find work.
 
In this day and age having proper WiFi is essential so IDK why tracks would tarry on this.

The ASR on dirt is not appealing to me but I’m sure some people would be all over it.

I DVR the races I watch so it doesn’t matter to me what day or time they hold them. I think a midweek race has the possibility of further decimating attendance but TV ratings could go up. I think it would be essential that the race finished no later than 11:00 pm eastern.

I am neutral on double headers but I don’t see them moving the needle positively or negatively.

IDK what Nascar being aggressive means. It sounds to me it could be just another name for a new series of gimmicks.

IMO Nascar needs to decide on something and stick with it. Nascar makes knee jerk and gratuitous changes early and often such as the 2019 rules changes. Many of the changes Nascar implements don’t have the intended impact and the 2019 changes have already alienated many. IDK if the changes next year will be successful but I do know that they are an affront to many long term fans of a speed contest.
 
Good suggestions, but some of them are kinda of hair brained. The fans would love them, but it's kinda impossible to put 38 cup cars in dirt that take 20 million bucks a year to sponsor as it is now. The Trucks paid 15 thou to win at Eldora and KDB said it cost that much to hang a body on one. Same thing trying to build a purse for multi races at Martinsville in the long run. It might work? The common thread in all of this is that the cars would have to get millions cheaper for the teams to be able to survive. The fans don't care about all that. Getting the two to meet in the middle would be a real trick. Glad it ain't my job. Besides they have many much cheaper racing series doing similar things now. IMO mid week races at decent tracks would be the simplest out of all of them to do, but without the TV people chipping in and making room in their broadcasting windows and ponying up a bunch of cash I don't see that getting off of the ground. Speaking of mid week races, The World of Outlaws which is growing on popularity could also be competition for mid week races. They run almost twice as many races as the cup cars do. I would love to see it all happen, but the money has to be there.
 
IanMcVittie said:
In this day and age having proper WiFi is essential so IDK why tracks would tarry on this.

The ASR on dirt is not appealing to me but I’m sure some people would be all over it.

I DVR the races I watch so it doesn’t matter to me what day or time they hold them. I think a midweek race has the possibility of further decimating attendance but TV ratings could go up. I think it would be essential that the race finished no later than 11:00 pm eastern.

I am neutral on double headers but I don’t see them moving the needle positively or negatively.

IDK what Nascar being aggressive means. It sounds to me it could be just another name for a new series of gimmicks.

IMO Nascar needs to decide on something and stick with it. Nascar makes knee jerk and gratuitous changes early and often such as the 2019 rules changes. Many of the changes Nascar implements don’t have the intended impact and the 2019 changes have already alienated many. IDK if the changes next year will be successful but I do know that they are an affront to many long term fans of a speed contest.
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If they were going to have a knee jerk reaction to the rules package they would have implemented them as soon as the all star race was over, but they didnt. Then the industry said, "lets run a few before the end of the year" , But they didnt. They put it through a series of tests and simulations before that knee jerked.
 
StandOnIt said:
Good suggestions, but some of them are kinda of hair brained. The fans would love them, but it's kinda impossible to put 38 cup cars in dirt that take 20 million bucks a year to sponsor as it is now. The Trucks paid 15 thou to win at Eldora and KDB said it cost that much to hang a body on one. Same thing trying to build a purse for multi races at Martinsville in the long run. It might work? The common thread in all of this is that the cars would have to get millions cheaper for the teams to be able to survive. The fans don't care about all that. Getting the two to meet in the middle would be a real trick. Glad it ain't my job. Besides they have many much cheaper racing series doing similar things now. IMO mid week races at decent tracks would be the simplest out of all of them to do, but without the TV people chipping in and making room in their broadcasting windows and ponying up a bunch of cash I don't see that getting off of the ground. Speaking of mid week races, The World of Outlaws which is growing on popularity could also be competition for mid week races. They run almost twice as many races as the cup cars do. I would love to see it all happen, but the money has to be there.
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Winner at Eldora gets close to $40,000, Kyle was probably just poor mouthing.
 
Spotter22 said:
If they were going to have a knee jerk reaction to the rules package they would have implemented them as soon as the all star race was over, but they didnt. Then the industry said, "lets run a few before the end of the year" , But they didnt. They put it through a series of tests and simulations before that knee jerked.
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I tend to look at what the experts and engineers and the series principals who have invested multi millions in the sport decide to do.
 
Spotter22 said:
If they were going to have a knee jerk reaction to the rules package they would have implemented them as soon as the all star race was over, but they didnt. Then the industry said, "lets run a few before the end of the year" , But they didnt. They put it through a series of tests and simulations before that knee jerked.
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JMO but I think not running ASR similar races had more to do with not burdening the teams and Nascar not knowing exactly what it wanted.

Even though the 2019 rules are not to my liking I want this or something else to start to turn the series around. Nascar does need to reach more casual fans and next year’s rules may help.

I think it will be hard to quantify the results of the 2019 rules as I suspect Nascar will still suffer losses next year.
 
So with this new team cropping up, is it likely we may see some of the old FRR guys who are "jobless" now find work with this team?
 
Truex_rox said:
So with this new team cropping up, is it likely we may see some of the old FRR guys who are "jobless" now find work with this team?
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Kinda what I was thinking. I think they're ( new owners) keeping things quiet. Just my guess. I'm guessing also this deal has been in the works for several months. They may be in far better shape than folks like us would know. Obviously, FRR was a top notch organization. So, who knows? Could we see them at Daytona? That would be great.
 
Towmater said:
Every time someone offers an opinion in what they of what might help the sport they are shouted down or the "we heard that a million times" post soon follows. For example, my first thread was about electric vehicles in NASCAR and people about lost their minds.
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I for one am looking forward to it. I have watched some adds on electric vehicle and some sports cars can kick a$$ against any gasoline machine. This is the future and we should embrace it as the planet needs to change polluting vehicles to green.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Apparently you are, NH lost a date, whether it got moved or not is besides the point the track lost a date, there is no other way around it. Spin it all you want, did both those Vegas races sell out?
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Smith has so many race dates, what tracks he buys or desires to move races to is not controlled 100% by Nascar.
 
Mopardh9 said:
If it goes that route , expect drivers to exit in droves because the contracts and purse money will shrink.
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I think drivers would drive for $500,000 a year max. I say this because where else would they ever make that kind of money? Most of them need a handler to walk them from one place to another. :sarcasm:
 
Team Penske said:
I think drivers would drive for $500,000 a year max. I say this because where else would they ever make that kind of money? Most of them need a handler to walk them from one place to another. :sarcasm:
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Tough to have a private plane, pilot, RV, RV driver, mansion, car collection, place to house it, trophy wife,...etc. on that. LOL.
 
Team Penske said:
I think drivers would drive for $500,000 a year max. I say this because where else would they ever make that kind of money? Most of them need a handler to walk them from one place to another. :sarcasm:
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This may be more factual than we think. There has to be a breaking point on the expense to run a team. Over a time of correction in the sport, cost will have to come down, that's just common sense. As crazy as it may sound, less computers, engineers and high tech stuff may actually make the overall product better. Who knows? I don't, just speculating.
 
mack said:
This may be more factual than we think. There has to be a breaking point on the expense to run a team. Over a time of correction in the sport, cost will have to come down, that's just common sense. As crazy as it may sound, less computers, engineers and high tech stuff may actually make the overall product better. Who knows? I don't, just speculating.
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fine with me. All I have to do is look at the F-1 product, they sure are/were getting close to racing the same. All Nascar had to do was clone their pit stops and I could see many races where the first car in the lead would have stayed there. especially on the larger tracks. Got to take as much of the clean air leader advantage away as they can IMO. They have been trying with progressive banking, making the cars harder to drive? and multi groove tracks, track bite, even changing the banking from one end to another etc. but it isn't enough for the most part on the big tracks.
 
Ya know, at the end of the day, I do believe the folks at Daytona are looking for ways to improve the product. I think the change in leadership at the top was a good start, even if it came about in bad circumstances. Maybe we'll see the races become more about absolute driving talent, and less about aero everything. NASCAR ain't blind. And they didn't get here overnight. This past year was some outstanding racing. I hope it continues.
 
mack said:
Ya know, at the end of the day, I do believe the folks at Daytona are looking for ways to improve the product. I think the change in leadership at the top was a good start, even if it came about in bad circumstances. Maybe we'll see the races become more about absolute driving talent, and less about aero everything. NASCAR ain't blind. And they didn't get here overnight. This past year was some outstanding racing. I hope it continues.
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Given the changes being brought in next year it looks like Nascar is trying to take away the advantages the ultra talented possess. I still think the best teams will be the best teams though.
 
mack said:
Ya know, at the end of the day, I do believe the folks at Daytona are looking for ways to improve the product. I think the change in leadership at the top was a good start, even if it came about in bad circumstances. Maybe we'll see the races become more about absolute driving talent, and less about aero everything. NASCAR ain't blind. And they didn't get here overnight. This past year was some outstanding racing. I hope it continues.
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I happen to think Brian's deal was perfect timing myself. For whatever reason Jim France wasn't in the picture and it wound up falling on his shoulders squarely to clean up the mess. Looks like he has a real good wingman in Phelps also who has been pretty transparent in keeping the fans as informed as possible
 
I'm hoping Phelps is more of a race fan than Brian. It can only get better from that standpoint.
 
That and they shuffled off Dewar to siberia somewhere, I don't know what the heck he was, maybe in charge of looking up big words for Brian. Phelps looks to be a sales and marketing guy, that is has back ground anyway.
 
Dewar came across as a schmooze to me. Just a guy that said volumes to really never say nothing. NASCAR doesn't need more of those. I won't miss him.
 
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