NASCAR Death Bed

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by Bob Mac, Jun 11, 2017.

  1. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I think it was reported that the BK charters sold for 2 million so if Barney got somewhere in that area it is certainly better than nothing.
     
  2. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    So we know the charter itself was worth at least 6 million, probably more but not everything sells for top dollar and we also know that the new buyer will have at least that in purse money over 2019 and possibly beyond depending on how often they grade the charter and when its value increases or decreases. Win win for both I'd say.
     
  3. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Vissers Charter is worth significantly more then the BK Charrters in the future purse money alone.
     
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  4. mack

    mack Team Owner

    A guy that can build a team from scratch and win a Cup title is a pretty sharp cat. I'll always like him because he extended Kurts career. He took a chance on a damaged goods driver, and helped him get back on his feet.
     
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  5. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    That makes sense I just have not gone back and read the article where it says the charter sold for 6 million
     
  6. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    I don’t recall what Barney had to pay for the 77 franchise or what it sold for or if it was reported
     
  7. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    Kurt’s driving acumen was never in question do hiring Kurt was a no brainer. Beats the hell out of Almondeater or Jack Spratt anyway
     
  8. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Kurt helped put Truex into the cat birds seat
     
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  9. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    In round numbers 6 million divided by 36 races means the charter guarantees about a buck 70 a race. Not bad at all especially if they are not planning on spending much
     
  10. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    That I will agree with
     
  11. FLRacingFan

    FLRacingFan Team Owner



    It's the most valuable charter sold because the payments tied to historical performance are going to be much bigger than one floating around between the backmarker/midpacker teams from year to year.
     
  12. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    I'm sure their plan isnt to race off of Purse money, Braun has money and partners who can help also.
     
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  13. mack

    mack Team Owner

    It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. I wonder where all their people wound up? I'm guessing there was a pool of exceptional talent that came available. I'm betting all those guys wound up on their feet.
     
  14. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    Thanks so much for the info. It would be surprising if we ever see a top team close down like this again and bring about a sale like this.
     
  15. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    IDK if FRR being based in Denver would impact things much but I agree that top people will find work.
     
  16. mack

    mack Team Owner

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  17. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    In this day and age having proper WiFi is essential so IDK why tracks would tarry on this.

    The ASR on dirt is not appealing to me but I’m sure some people would be all over it.

    I DVR the races I watch so it doesn’t matter to me what day or time they hold them. I think a midweek race has the possibility of further decimating attendance but TV ratings could go up. I think it would be essential that the race finished no later than 11:00 pm eastern.

    I am neutral on double headers but I don’t see them moving the needle positively or negatively.

    IDK what Nascar being aggressive means. It sounds to me it could be just another name for a new series of gimmicks.

    IMO Nascar needs to decide on something and stick with it. Nascar makes knee jerk and gratuitous changes early and often such as the 2019 rules changes. Many of the changes Nascar implements don’t have the intended impact and the 2019 changes have already alienated many. IDK if the changes next year will be successful but I do know that they are an affront to many long term fans of a speed contest.
     
  18. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Good suggestions, but some of them are kinda of hair brained. The fans would love them, but it's kinda impossible to put 38 cup cars in dirt that take 20 million bucks a year to sponsor as it is now. The Trucks paid 15 thou to win at Eldora and KDB said it cost that much to hang a body on one. Same thing trying to build a purse for multi races at Martinsville in the long run. It might work? The common thread in all of this is that the cars would have to get millions cheaper for the teams to be able to survive. The fans don't care about all that. Getting the two to meet in the middle would be a real trick. Glad it ain't my job. Besides they have many much cheaper racing series doing similar things now. IMO mid week races at decent tracks would be the simplest out of all of them to do, but without the TV people chipping in and making room in their broadcasting windows and ponying up a bunch of cash I don't see that getting off of the ground. Speaking of mid week races, The World of Outlaws which is growing on popularity could also be competition for mid week races. They run almost twice as many races as the cup cars do. I would love to see it all happen, but the money has to be there.
     
  19. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    If they were going to have a knee jerk reaction to the rules package they would have implemented them as soon as the all star race was over, but they didnt. Then the industry said, "lets run a few before the end of the year" , But they didnt. They put it through a series of tests and simulations before that knee jerked.
     
  20. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Winner at Eldora gets close to $40,000, Kyle was probably just poor mouthing.
     
  21. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I tend to look at what the experts and engineers and the series principals who have invested multi millions in the sport decide to do.
     
  22. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    yeah I should have known better. :p
     
  23. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    JMO but I think not running ASR similar races had more to do with not burdening the teams and Nascar not knowing exactly what it wanted.

    Even though the 2019 rules are not to my liking I want this or something else to start to turn the series around. Nascar does need to reach more casual fans and next year’s rules may help.

    I think it will be hard to quantify the results of the 2019 rules as I suspect Nascar will still suffer losses next year.
     
  24. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Nascar has an agreement with team owners that major changes to the cars can't be made to the cars without a years notice.
     
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  25. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    That makes sense as it would be a lot to ask of the teams.
     
  26. Truex_rox

    Truex_rox 19 looks better than ever.

    So with this new team cropping up, is it likely we may see some of the old FRR guys who are "jobless" now find work with this team?
     
  27. mack

    mack Team Owner

    Kinda what I was thinking. I think they're ( new owners) keeping things quiet. Just my guess. I'm guessing also this deal has been in the works for several months. They may be in far better shape than folks like us would know. Obviously, FRR was a top notch organization. So, who knows? Could we see them at Daytona? That would be great.
     
  28. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I for one am looking forward to it. I have watched some adds on electric vehicle and some sports cars can kick a$$ against any gasoline machine. This is the future and we should embrace it as the planet needs to change polluting vehicles to green.
     
  29. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Smith has so many race dates, what tracks he buys or desires to move races to is not controlled 100% by Nascar.
     
  30. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I think drivers would drive for $500,000 a year max. I say this because where else would they ever make that kind of money? Most of them need a handler to walk them from one place to another. :sarcasm:
     
  31. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    ^^ Gets it^^
     
  32. Towmater

    Towmater Ratings Craterville

    Tough to have a private plane, pilot, RV, RV driver, mansion, car collection, place to house it, trophy wife,...etc. on that. LOL.
     
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  33. mack

    mack Team Owner

    This may be more factual than we think. There has to be a breaking point on the expense to run a team. Over a time of correction in the sport, cost will have to come down, that's just common sense. As crazy as it may sound, less computers, engineers and high tech stuff may actually make the overall product better. Who knows? I don't, just speculating.
     
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  34. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    fine with me. All I have to do is look at the F-1 product, they sure are/were getting close to racing the same. All Nascar had to do was clone their pit stops and I could see many races where the first car in the lead would have stayed there. especially on the larger tracks. Got to take as much of the clean air leader advantage away as they can IMO. They have been trying with progressive banking, making the cars harder to drive? and multi groove tracks, track bite, even changing the banking from one end to another etc. but it isn't enough for the most part on the big tracks.
     
  35. mack

    mack Team Owner

    Ya know, at the end of the day, I do believe the folks at Daytona are looking for ways to improve the product. I think the change in leadership at the top was a good start, even if it came about in bad circumstances. Maybe we'll see the races become more about absolute driving talent, and less about aero everything. NASCAR ain't blind. And they didn't get here overnight. This past year was some outstanding racing. I hope it continues.
     
  36. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Team Owner

    Given the changes being brought in next year it looks like Nascar is trying to take away the advantages the ultra talented possess. I still think the best teams will be the best teams though.
     
  37. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I happen to think Brian's deal was perfect timing myself. For whatever reason Jim France wasn't in the picture and it wound up falling on his shoulders squarely to clean up the mess. Looks like he has a real good wingman in Phelps also who has been pretty transparent in keeping the fans as informed as possible
     
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  38. mack

    mack Team Owner

    I'm hoping Phelps is more of a race fan than Brian. It can only get better from that standpoint.
     
  39. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    That and they shuffled off Dewar to siberia somewhere, I don't know what the heck he was, maybe in charge of looking up big words for Brian. Phelps looks to be a sales and marketing guy, that is has back ground anyway.
     
  40. mack

    mack Team Owner

    Dewar came across as a schmooze to me. Just a guy that said volumes to really never say nothing. NASCAR doesn't need more of those. I won't miss him.
     
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