NASCAR Death Bed

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by Bob Mac, Jun 11, 2017.

  1. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    Has someone called you a name?

    Besides the 3 you've called yourself, of course.
     
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  2. Towmater

    Towmater Ratings Craterville

    The more I read the last several pages of this thread the more it becomes clear that the intent is to get the thread locked. It is a very funny read though.
     
  3. mack

    mack Team Owner

    A guy that is actively involved in the sport most definitely would have a better perspective of the behind the scenes goings on. More so than a casual fan. A person that is actually at the track week in and week out would have access to what's going on more than I would. So yeah, Spotters take has more credibility than someone who has never had " hands on" experience.
     
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  4. Towmater

    Towmater Ratings Craterville

    Maybe, but the way things are trending, i.e., streaming, there won't be many people at events in the future. Streaming is the future and why the media companies are building their own platforms to do it for their content. That's why Disney is building their own and the properties that other people have under contract is being pulled back under their umbrella so they can stream it themselves.
     
  5. mack

    mack Team Owner

    That's gonna be a tough hill to climb for NASCAR, maybe spectator sports in general. It will be interesting to see how they navigate it.
     
  6. Towmater

    Towmater Ratings Craterville

    I think you'll have to a system that allows the person who is streaming to be the director. To be able to pull up any and all camera angles and audio. If a debris caution flies then they'd better be able to show that object. The streamer gets to pick what angles to watch or just follow one car. Complex for the user but once you got it down you'd be watching only what you want to watch during the race. I'd pay for that type of race experience.
     
  7. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    What you describe sounds interesting and it is a great shame so many have exited the series and won’t avail themselves of it.
     
  8. mack

    mack Team Owner

    What I'm curious about is this? How does NASCAR make this profitable? And I'm asking because I honestly don't know. I do believe the brass at Daytona are on top of all ways possible to sell their product, and attract new viewers. I love the good old days when I could park in front of the TV, dial up TNN, and listen to Buddy and Eli. It was so much simpler then.
     
  9. Ventisca

    Ventisca Jackman Contributor

  10. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    It would be interesting to know if FS1 and NBCS were able to raise rates charged to entities that carried its product.

    Is it possible that Nascar could hit another home run with the next broadcast deal despite being a declining property? Nothing would surprise me.
     
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  11. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner Contributor

    How?
     
  12. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    The way I see it is that Nascar hit the jackpot with the current deal as it was a declining property with no serious bidding competition

    Anything is possible as Netflix, YouTube or another unconventional platform may pay stupid money in the next go round.
     
  13. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner Contributor

    If it goes that route , expect drivers to exit in droves because the contracts and purse money will shrink.
     
  14. Formerjackman

    Formerjackman Team Owner

    Networks have been ridiculously over-paying for broadcast rights to various sports for many years now, which is one of the reasons they are in the mess they are in, but it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that somebody will continue to over-pay, especially if they lose out on other properties. All of these sports networks have to have SOMETHING to show, and as badly as NASCAR has fallen, it is probably STILL ahead of 90% of the stuff they cover. My guess is that by the time the TV contract comes up, the exodus will stabilize somewhat and will be less of an issue than it is now. Does that mean they will get what they are getting now? I doubt it, but how much less an open question.
     
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  15. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    huh?
     
  16. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief


    Nascar could find several interested parties during the next go round. It is possible that they could end up on the Mayberry RFD network or maybe start their own channel. The title sponsorship model blew up very quickly going from 75 million a year to 20 million to no longer being viable.

    Nascar and things around Nascar change rapidly. I agree that it is highly unlikely that Nascar will get similar dollars in the next broadcast deal. Delivering a much smaller audience each year and and one that is rapidly aging is not a good formula for success. However there is no way I would categorically state Nascar is on the ledge in terms of its next broadcast deal.
     
  17. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    even Max thinks he knows
     
  18. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    and Justin has an idea
     
  19. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    and the ship is sinking. and round and around we go

     
  20. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Realists understand that there are many challenges including a very old fan base and a drastically shrinking audience. You can cut costs to the bone but if people are not enthused with your product they won’t consume it.
     
  21. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    heh heh heh now he thinks he has labels in his make believe world.
     
  22. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    I don’t think Johnny Thomas was using any labels but just issuing a beware. From what you have said I know you don’t think dreadful attendance is a problem. It is the same thing with almost 800k viewers less watching this year. It is not a problem as NASCAR is the most popular Motorsport and can afford to lose a few fans. Eat, drink and be merry as all is well and it will remain that way in perpetuity.
     
  23. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    eh you have some of it correct. Nascar is the number one racing series in the U.S. and it continues to show a profit as an organization. That is the true part.
     
  24. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    I would Imagine NASCAR knows that attendance and Viewership is off which is why they are working to come up with a solution,but my question is why do you think its neccasary to say it over and over on this board to the same people? We already know the numbers and we know it upsets you tremendously, so no need to tell us 5 , 6 times a day.
     
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  25. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    I had to make sure I was on the deathbed thread and was relieved I was.

    A suggestion I have would be for someone to start a thread that was the opposite of this where all the good things going on in and around Nascar can be discussed
     
  26. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    Thats didnt answer my question, you repeat it like you arent being heard, we heard you.
     
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  27. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Looks like TRL is at it again, good deal.:D I gotta go anyway
     
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  28. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    I wish I could give you a direct answer to your question as it is more than fair. Unfortunately I cannot answer as it would be really inappropriate and cause mega problems
     
  29. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    No need, it was rehtorical
     
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  30. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Is TRL back in the saddle?
     
  31. mack

    mack Team Owner

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  32. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    I don’t think this story qualifies as deathbed news in and of itself but in perspective it is a textbook deathbed story.

    A championship and race winning team has to close down and some investor purchases its charter. The new team has a number but no sponsors, drivers or infrastructure.

    In today’s Nascar this event qualifies as good news in some quarters.
     
  33. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    It’s news. Disseminated here, which is the purpose of the forum.

    Whether or not it’s good news is a matter of opinion.
     
  34. mack

    mack Team Owner

     
  35. Spotter22

    Spotter22 Team Owner

    How do you know what they have? It will be announced when they are ready.
     
  36. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    They could be negotiating with an mystery phenom driver and a deep pocketed sponsor. They may have a technical alliance with HMS and run out of a shop on Papa Joe. I admit all that is possible.

    I will have to keep an eye on the 77 next year in order to see how they perform.
     
  37. mack

    mack Team Owner

    " They could be", in other words, as usual, you dont have a clue, or know anymore than anyone else.
     
  38. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

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  39. mack

    mack Team Owner

    That is stout! So Mr. Visser came out ok I would think.
     
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  40. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    That is a log way from penny less and empty handed if they didn't have the charter system.
     

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