NASCAR Death Bed

NASCAR has a brighter future than the NFL right now.Players protests,CTE head injuries including Aaron Hernandez with upcoming coming lawsuits and tv ratings dropping which I saw a story about Wall Street being concerned about.While the NFL can deal with the money payouts to players,colleges and high schools can't.My wife thinks soccer will replace football as the number one sport one day.
 
Wife and I were watching a story on ESPN about hurricane relief efforts in Florida and Jimmy Johnson and his daughter was highlighted in a segment.That's the big difference to us between NASCAR and other professional sports.
 
darlingtonfan said:
NASCAR has a brighter future than the NFL right now.Players protests,CTE head injuries including Aaron Hernandez with upcoming coming lawsuits and tv ratings dropping which I saw a story about Wall Street being concerned about.While the NFL can deal with the money payouts to players,colleges and high schools can't.My wife thinks soccer will replace football as the number one sport one day.
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If parents are worried about CTE, then soccer isn't where you want to funnel your child. Look into the studies of concussions in soccer. If you are saying that soccer is popular because all you need is 1 ball and a field I would agree with you. It doesn't take a large investment to get children involved in soccer. That's why it is the number 1 sport in the world.

darlingtonfan said:
Wife and I were watching a story on ESPN about hurricane relief efforts in Florida and Jimmy Johnson and his daughter was highlighted in a segment.That's the big difference to us between NASCAR and other professional sports.
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Little lost on your comment. JJ Watt raised 20 million dollars for hurricane relief efforts in Huston and has been documented providing supplies to many of his teammates to people in need. The Bucs and the Dolphins owners have donated 1 million each to hurricane relief through the American Red Cross. I think a lot of what athletes do in any sport they tend to downplay or not seek publicity about. Many of the stars in the major sports have foundations they either set-up, or donate their time and money to just like NASCAR drivers do.

I remember how much I used to dislike Cam Newton. Then I found out what he showed up at a Halloween party in Concord, NC for a child with a terminal illness. He's done similar things with other children in need and doesn't inform the press he's done them. Most of the time it leaks out via social media tweets by people who happen to witness what he's doing.

Heck, Kid Rock does some very interesting things for people that never know he's done them.

Being a stand-up person has nothing to do with what sport you are in or how you got famous. It is either in you or it isn't.
 
darlingtonfan said:
NASCAR has a brighter future than the NFL right now.Players protests,CTE head injuries including Aaron Hernandez with upcoming coming lawsuits and tv ratings dropping which I saw a story about Wall Street being concerned about.While the NFL can deal with the money payouts to players,colleges and high schools can't.My wife thinks soccer will replace football as the number one sport one day.
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Nascar certainly has some challenges but its biggest problem is its fan base is aging out and it is a subject no one is willing to address.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Nascar certainly has some challenges but its biggest problem is its fan base is aging out and it is a subject no one is willing to address.
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Actually, it is a subject addressed here daily in almost every active thread. And I'm sure Nascar is aware and concerned, if they are seeking guidance here at R-F like they ought to do.
 
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LewTheShoe said:
Actually, it is a subject addressed here daily in almost every active thread. And I'm sure Nascar is aware and concerned, if they are seeking guidance here at R-F like they ought to do.
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Problems such as lack of sponsorship, crappy cars, boring tracks and tepid racing are discussed regularly but NASCAR's geriatric audience is not addressed at all. If NASCAR is aware of the problem they are doing nothing to fix it as the fan base continues to shrink and the remnant gets older. Who can fix it?
 
darlingtonfan said:
Wife and I were watching a story on ESPN about hurricane relief efforts in Florida and Jimmy Johnson and his daughter was highlighted in a segment.That's the big difference to us between NASCAR and other professional sports.
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NASCAR community is generous but so are others. J.J. Watt helped to raise well over $30 MILLION in Hurricane Harvey Aid.
 
Yogisd1 said:
Let's compare NASCAR, to IMSA, since NASCAR owns both series. One has good attendance, plenty of sponsors, and manufacturers, waiting to get in on the action. The other has exactly the opposite. You would think that one could take a lesson from the other, on how to grow during these tough times. IMSA doesn't seem to have a problem attracting younger fans, or sponsors, or anything else that plagues NASCAR. Do you think it could be, that IMSA offers racing, and a championship, without gimmicks, stages, and playoffs? Whatever it is they are doing, NASCAR should give it a try, because what they are doing isn't working. I'll be going to Laguna Seca this weekend for the IMSA races. I got third floor tower tickets next to the start \ finish line, across from pit road. I'll ask the younger fans why they are there. I'm interested to see what they have to say.
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Was this a serious post? I understand what you are saying to an extent but when you really compare the two NASCAR comes out on top. If NASCAR has bad ratings then IMSA is alot worse. I'm not a whole lot familiar with IMSA's sponsorship and attendance but I'm pretty sure they don't attract the high dollar sponsors or even come close to the attendance of a Cup race. If NASCAR was on its death bed than the IMSA would already be dead or sold to someone else.
 
Simple Fan said:
Was this a serious post? I understand what you are saying to an extent but when you really compare the two NASCAR comes out on top. If NASCAR has bad ratings then IMSA is alot worse. I'm not a whole lot familiar with IMSA's sponsorship and attendance but I'm pretty sure they don't attract the high dollar sponsors or even come close to the attendance of a Cup race. If NASCAR was on its death bed than the IMSA would already be dead or sold to someone else.
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They don't really need big sponsors (although there are a few) since the cost to compete is substantially lower and much of the grid is comprised of factory teams. Mazda, Acura, Corvette, Ford, BMW, and Porsche are all works programs; Cadillac teams are also supported in large part by GM. Then the Pro-Am teams have a driver or two who bring some level of funding and a lot of times even they get some sort of support from the factories.

Attendance is actually pretty big too.
 
FLRacingFan said:
They don't really need big sponsors (although there are a few) since the cost to compete is substantially lower and much of the grid is comprised of factory teams. Mazda, Acura, Corvette, Ford, BMW, and Porsche are all works programs; Cadillac teams are also supported in large part by GM. Then the Pro-Am teams have a driver or two who bring some level of funding and a lot of times even they get some sort of support from the factories.

Attendance is actually pretty big too.
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That all sounds good and I'll admit that the IMSA is low on the motorsports totem pole that I watch and I'm not real familiar with it, factory support isn't something that seems acceptable in NASCAR as the closest thing to it is Toyota and alot of people don't seem to like that. It's two different types of motorsports and NASCAR has the bit of main stream market that motorsports occupiers. If NASCAR dies so doe the IMSA and many other motorsports around America.
 
Coors9 said:
It's not so much the stage racing, the cars suck the track way too much. Maybe the real problem is that there are to many things you can't do to the car. I mean, maybe if you let the teams do what they want under the car. Then again it could be worse. Maybe a larger variety of parts they can use. Maybe I'm an idiot .....
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Stage racing is just a competition yellow to bunch the field, its a joke. If nascar actually let these guys be innovative and got the cars off the ground a little then we would have racing like we did back in the 80s, real racing, let the mechanics and the engineers tinker.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Stage racing is just a competition yellow to bunch the field, its a joke. If nascar actually let these guys be innovative and got the cars off the ground a little then we would have racing like we did back in the 80s, real racing, let the mechanics and the engineers tinker.
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Actually stage racing gives the fans some entertainment during a race. I agree they have to get rid of the long cautions and as I have posted before, no pit stops under caution will go a long way to improve things.
Also want to say that no teams other than the 78 studied the implications of those extra points but now they can see the advantage the team got from it. Next season you will see more teams racing for those points.
 
Simple Fan said:
That all sounds good and I'll admit that the IMSA is low on the motorsports totem pole that I watch and I'm not real familiar with it, factory support isn't something that seems acceptable in NASCAR as the closest thing to it is Toyota and alot of people don't seem to like that. It's two different types of motorsports and NASCAR has the bit of main stream market that motorsports occupiers. If NASCAR dies so doe the IMSA and many other motorsports around America.
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The only reason it isn't accepted is that Toyota put their money where their mouth is, and now Chevy, and Ford, don't want to try and keep up. It's just sour grapes from the domestic crowd. Look at how many manufacturers they have in that series. NASCAR can't even dream about that many. Thanks FLRacingFan for answering in my absence. At least you get it, even if nobody else does.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Nascar certainly has some challenges but its biggest problem is its fan base is aging out and it is a subject no one is willing to address.
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Mhmm. Which is why the sport is changing, and HAS to change. Catering to a new audience who doesn't CARE about what older fans care about because they aren't the ones to help it grow, nor are they the target market.

In today's industry of tampered sports entertainment, and the short attention span of today's youth, NASCAR needs to be doing what they are doing. Issue is gen 6.

Theyve been better with cautions. They ARE trying, guys
 
jaqua19 said:
Mhmm. Which is why the sport is changing, and HAS to change. Catering to a new audience who doesn't CARE about what older fans care about because they aren't the ones to help it grow, nor are they the target market.

In today's industry of tampered sports entertainment, and the short attention span of today's youth, NASCAR needs to be doing what they are doing. Issue is gen 6.

Theyve been better with cautions. They ARE trying, guys
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IDK what Nascar has done to increase the awareness/interest of younger people but whatever they have done has not moved the needle yet.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
IDK what Nascar has done to increase the awareness/interest of younger people but whatever they have done has not moved the needle yet.
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And it probably never will.

But I understand the need for this change. You don't evolve with the world and society, you get left behind.
 
StandOnIt said:
Year-to-Date Comparison

Total revenues for the six months ended May 31, 2017 were approximately $313.2 million, compared to revenues of approximately $310.2 million for the same period in fiscal 2016. Operating income was approximately $52.2 million during the period compared to approximately $54.8 million for the same period in fiscal 2016.

http://ir.internationalspeedwaycorporation.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=113983&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2284371
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It is hard to believe anyone would even suggest Nascar is facing any challenges ain't it?
 
The Weather Company, an IBM Business, Named Official Weather Partner of NASCAR

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (October 6, 2017) – NASCAR and The Weather Company, an IBM Business (NYSE: IBM), announced today a multi-year agreement that will optimize the weather-related decision process for NASCAR as it incorporates hyper-local weather data and forecasts into their races to improve race-day operations and fan engagement. As part of the agreement, The Weather Company, via The Weather Channel brand, becomes the Official Weather Partner of NASCAR.

https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2...ess-named-official-weather-partner-of-nascar/
 
StandOnIt said:
The Weather Company, an IBM Business, Named Official Weather Partner of NASCAR

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (October 6, 2017) – NASCAR and The Weather Company, an IBM Business (NYSE: IBM), announced today a multi-year agreement that will optimize the weather-related decision process for NASCAR as it incorporates hyper-local weather data and forecasts into their races to improve race-day operations and fan engagement. As part of the agreement, The Weather Company, via The Weather Channel brand, becomes the Official Weather Partner of NASCAR.

https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2...ess-named-official-weather-partner-of-nascar/
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They’re going to need this parntership this weekend, looking at the forecasts I have no idea how they get this race in
 
StandOnIt said:
The Weather Company, an IBM Business, Named Official Weather Partner of NASCAR

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (October 6, 2017) – NASCAR and The Weather Company, an IBM Business (NYSE: IBM), announced today a multi-year agreement that will optimize the weather-related decision process for NASCAR as it incorporates hyper-local weather data and forecasts into their races to improve race-day operations and fan engagement. As part of the agreement, The Weather Company, via The Weather Channel brand, becomes the Official Weather Partner of NASCAR.

https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2...ess-named-official-weather-partner-of-nascar/
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DW can tell em all about the vortex.
 
About damn time, hopefully they actually use it. And in the future start rearranging the schedule to get historically wet races(Bristol, summer Daytona, atlanta, pocono) to drier calendar dates.
 
If you want younger fans, you have to give them something they can relate to. Having cars that don't resemble anything they can buy, to get their feet wet (so to speak) is not going to attract them. There is nothing wrong with their attention span. They give things the attention they think it deserves. They think that watching something they can't have, doesn't deserve their attention. So unless NASCAR is willing to go back to stock body cars, (like GT cars, Global Rallycross cars, and Drifting cars) NASCAR is wasting their time.
 
I still think NA$CAR needs for this to be a real playoffs they need to remove cars from the track. If your a car owner and you need your car out there for your sponsors then run up front.
 
NASCAR has certain issues. One I suppose would be the cars. In the majority of races on the 1 1/2 - 2 mile tracks seem to have little excitement with the exception of restarts. Seems as if the first four, or five, cars seem to hit the setup to varying degrees, spread out and seem to ride to the next stage. But the cars aren't the only issue. Ticket prices would be at the top of the list. It costs a fortune for someone to take their family to a race this day and time. Much easier just to stay home and watch on the big screen and not spend money one can't afford. Oddly enough, TV ratings are down. Combine that with the stands only being 1/2-3/4 full and you have a massive problem. Then you have the young drivers coming into the sport. You don't seem to have any kids that work their way up like in the old days. They all either come from families that can buy them a ride, or have connections to sponsorship that buys the ride most times over a more deserving driver. NASCAR has some real problems. And sooner or later the TV contracts are going to reflect that and then you have really killed the goose that laid the golden egg. But over all of this I think NASCAR made a huge mistake many years ago. They decided they were going to be as big as the big three sports. To that end, they decided to move from their roots and race all over the country. Often in places where folks could care less. I really do think that losing that regional, family type feel has hurt NASCAR more than even they realize
 
Blister said:
NASCAR has certain issues. One I suppose would be the cars. In the majority of races on the 1 1/2 - 2 mile tracks seem to have little excitement with the exception of restarts. Seems as if the first four, or five, cars seem to hit the setup to varying degrees, spread out and seem to ride to the next stage. But the cars aren't the only issue. Ticket prices would be at the top of the list. It costs a fortune for someone to take their family to a race this day and time. Much easier just to stay home and watch on the big screen and not spend money one can't afford. Oddly enough, TV ratings are down. Combine that with the stands only being 1/2-3/4 full and you have a massive problem. Then you have the young drivers coming into the sport. You don't seem to have any kids that work their way up like in the old days. They all either come from families that can buy them a ride, or have connections to sponsorship that buys the ride most times over a more deserving driver. NASCAR has some real problems. And sooner or later the TV contracts are going to reflect that and then you have really killed the goose that laid the golden egg. But over all of this I think NASCAR made a huge mistake many years ago. They decided they were going to be as big as the big three sports. To that end, they decided to move from their roots and race all over the country. Often in places where folks could care less. I really do think that losing that regional, family type feel has hurt NASCAR more than even they realize
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I believe you are correct that NASCAR sacrificed much of it's soul and character in it's pursuit of the Big Three Sports. NASCAR needs to follow the NHL's model: grow your base but stay inside the zone of fan comfort that defines your sport. Don't change your core to appeal to outsiders who will not care about the sport when the excitement of newness fades away. NASCAR went against all of that in the last decade and a half.
 
Yogisd1 said:
If you want younger fans, you have to give them something they can relate to. Having cars that don't resemble anything they can buy, to get their feet wet (so to speak) is not going to attract them. There is nothing wrong with their attention span. They give things the attention they think it deserves. They think that watching something they can't have, doesn't deserve their attention. So unless NASCAR is willing to go back to stock body cars, (like GT cars, Global Rallycross cars, and Drifting cars) NASCAR is wasting their time.
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Totally agree, one of the reasons why I bought 2 T-Birds back in the 80s was because Bill Elliot drove and won in them. The body very much resembled what the show room car looked like. To be fair tho, most cars look very much alike, there isn't much distinguishing a Fusion, Camary, Malibu from each other.
 
Blister said:
NASCAR has certain issues. One I suppose would be the cars. In the majority of races on the 1 1/2 - 2 mile tracks seem to have little excitement with the exception of restarts. Seems as if the first four, or five, cars seem to hit the setup to varying degrees, spread out and seem to ride to the next stage. But the cars aren't the only issue. Ticket prices would be at the top of the list. It costs a fortune for someone to take their family to a race this day and time. Much easier just to stay home and watch on the big screen and not spend money one can't afford. Oddly enough, TV ratings are down. Combine that with the stands only being 1/2-3/4 full and you have a massive problem. Then you have the young drivers coming into the sport. You don't seem to have any kids that work their way up like in the old days. They all either come from families that can buy them a ride, or have connections to sponsorship that buys the ride most times over a more deserving driver. NASCAR has some real problems. And sooner or later the TV contracts are going to reflect that and then you have really killed the goose that laid the golden egg. But over all of this I think NASCAR made a huge mistake many years ago. They decided they were going to be as big as the big three sports. To that end, they decided to move from their roots and race all over the country. Often in places where folks could care less. I really do think that losing that regional, family type feel has hurt NASCAR more than even they realize
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I agree with most of what you said , but this thing about NASCAR being expensive is crazy.. have you ever looked at prices for other sports especially playoffs for others sports lol? Kids under age of 12 get in free don't they lol?? And tickets start at like 30 bucks that expensive in 2017?
 
Thegeneral23 said:
I agree with most of what you said , but this thing about NASCAR being expensive is crazy.. have you ever looked at prices for other sports especially playoffs for others sports lol? Kids under age of 12 get in free don't they lol?? And tickets start at like 30 bucks that expensive in 2017?
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Nascar has more problems than you can shake a stick at but ticket pricing is not one of them.
 
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