SILLY SEASON 2018

lolla79 said:
I really hope Kahne does kick Mcdowell out, guy is a moving road block every week.
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yea lets not get carried away like on Reddit where jobbers like McDowell are worshiped, I'll take Kahne 100 times out of 100 over McDowell. In the right situation hes proven he can be a weekly contender to win a race.
 
Snappy D said:
yea lets not get carried away like on Reddit where jobbers like McDowell are worshiped, I'll take Kahne 100 times out of 100 over McDowell. In the right situation hes proven he can be a weekly contender to win a race.
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Yeah **** reddit, that site can suck a dick. Lots of douchey weirdo pretentious fanboys
 
Snappy D said:
yea lets not get carried away like on Reddit where jobbers like McDowell are worshiped, I'll take Kahne 100 times out of 100 over McDowell. In the right situation hes proven he can be a weekly contender to win a race.
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McDowell has done a lot of good for LFR, lets not forget that this team was not in the top 20 almost every week until he came.

Rome wasn't built in a day.
 
Kiante said:
McDowell has done a lot of good for LFR, lets not forget that this team was not in the top 20 almost every week until he came.

Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Oh I am not saying hes the worst, hes good for what the team is, but to go to the next level like FRR they need a guy like Kahne. I dont see McDowell taking them there.
 
McDowell is an underrated driver but we're talking a guy with one Xfinity win to his resume compared to a guy with 18 cup wins and won the Brickyard with a 20th place car. No comparison
 
mdh1776 said:
McDowell is only 38 points behind Earnhardt Jr, and only 4 behind Allmendinger. He's ahead of Patrick Not too shabby for a weekly road block.
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..And Earnhardt Jr. and Patrick both have seven DNFs while McDowell only has one. Not that hard to pass guys when they're in the garage. The fact that you call me out for saying "a nascar" but then compare Danica to McDowell is pure comedy. Nobody has ever said "Danica Patrick is really good!" We all know she sucks too and can't perform in good equipment.
 
sloggie said:
Milka couldn't do it and she had tons of money backing her.
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If she really does have the funding, and really wanted a ride in any Nascar series, she would find one. There's plenty of lower tier owners who would be accepting. The expectations obviously change as you climb the ladder. Rick Hendrick isn't going to put Millka in the car based off funding because he already has a lot of it. The only thing he needs is talent which other people have more of.
 
lolla79 said:
..And Earnhardt Jr. and Patrick both have seven DNFs while McDowell only has one. Not that hard to pass guys when they're in the garage. The fact that you call me out for saying "a nascar" but then compare Danica to McDowell is pure comedy. Nobody has ever said "Danica Patrick is really good!" We all know she sucks too and can't perform in good equipment.
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Comparing McDowell to anyone else in the garage is fair game. They're professional race car drivers, racing against one another. I thought that's why we run races and kept track of the results, so we can compare performance over the course of a season.

And Patrick never found success at the Cup level, no. But she's run pretty well in the Xfinity series. She'd run circles around me, and probably everyone else that posts here, in any sort of race car... even though she "sucks".
 
mdh1776 said:
Comparing McDowell to anyone else in the garage is fair game. They're professional race car drivers, racing against one another. I thought that's why we run races and kept track of the results, so we can compare performance over the course of a season.

And Patrick never found success at the Cup level, no. But she's run pretty well in the Xfinity series. She'd run circles around me, and probably everyone else that posts here, in any sort of race car... even though she "sucks".
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Trust me if love to have an opportunity to do that. I've won an nhra wally along with multiple drag races. I can out pace guys (who are fast)who weigh over 50 lbs lighter than me on high speed go karts. I can "feel" a car. I'd love to race them.
 
lolla79 said:
Rick Hendrick isn't going to put Millka in the car based off funding because he already has a lot of it.
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That's not true either, HMS has had it's share of struggling to get sponsorship, going into 2018 before KK was released, the 5 team was losing its two main sponsors, heck, HMS has had a hard time I think it was last year, or this year, getting all 36 PPR covered for Jr.
 
Fordracing7 said:
Trust me if love to have an opportunity to do that. I've won an nhra wally along with multiple drag races. I can out pace guys (who are fast)who weigh over 50 lbs lighter than me on high speed go karts. I can "feel" a car. I'd love to race them.
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Awesome! One of the vendors I use, him and his son race karts in the south east. They're amazing machines.
 
Personally, I'm a fan of Michael McDowell. IMO he overachieves pretty often considering the severely underfunded team he represents. And I like Kasey Kahne but feel he underachieves often. I feel Kahne might benefit from a career reset in a new environment, but I hope it doesn't happen at the expense of Michael McDowell. JMO.



 
Not sure some of us have seen the same McDowell recently. Both he and LFR have made some significant strides these past two seasons. Huge difference from 14-15 to 16-17. Would he outperform Kahne in the same equipment? I can't say. But nothing leads me to believe Kahne would wipe the floor with him, given recent trends.

That said...yeah, there's no shortage of wackaloons on /r/NASCAR.
 
jws926 said:
That's not true either, HMS has had it's share of struggling to get sponsorship, going into 2018 before KK was released, the 5 team was losing its two main sponsors, heck, HMS has had a hard time I think it was last year, or this year, getting all 36 PPR covered for Jr.
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My point is that he still has all the money in the world to fund his cars out of pocket if he chooses. He's a businessman though, so he knows it's best not to spend his own money when he doesn't have to.

If he had the choice between Millka with full funding, and Kasey Kahne with half funding, he would take Kasey Kahne because of the talent aspect like I mentioned before.
 
Truex_rox said:
I think that it could be argued that McDowell, DiBenedetto, and Buescher & Almirola (to an extent) all deserve better rides. Those guys have talent.
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Jack Roush screwed Buescher over, but what else is new. It's hard to believe he had Kurt, Matt, Mark, Carl, and Greg all on the same team at the same time. I think Buescher had/has potential if he can ever find stable equipment. He's in a totally different environment right now.

I also think Almirola would be a pretty good full-time Xfinity driver, just doesn't seem to have the edge to consistently do well in cup.

mdh1776 said:
Comparing McDowell to anyone else in the garage is fair game. They're professional race car drivers, racing against one another. I thought that's why we run races and kept track of the results, so we can compare performance over the course of a season.

And Patrick never found success at the Cup level, no. But she's run pretty well in the Xfinity series. She'd run circles around me, and probably everyone else that posts here, in any sort of race car... even though she "sucks".
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Sure, she would probably destroy us right now because it's her job. But if one of us made a conscious effort to become a race car driver, and was given a decent amount of time to adapt, I have no doubt in my mind one of us could beat some of the scrubs we see on a weekly basis. It's the equivalent of a rich kid who has the best go-kart but can't drive it worth crap.
 
lolla79 said:
My point is that he still has all the money in the world to fund his cars out of pocket if he chooses. He's a businessman though, so he knows it's best not to spend his own money when he doesn't have to.

If he had the choice between Millka with full funding, and Kasey Kahne with half funding, he would take Kasey Kahne because of the talent aspect like I mentioned before.
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Hendrick doesn't fund race teams with his own tax-paid dollars. Why would any wealthy person do that?
 
lolla79 said:
But if one of us made a conscious effort to become a race car driver, and was given a decent amount of time to adapt, I have no doubt in my mind one of us could beat some of the scrubs we see on a weekly basis. It's the equivalent of a rich kid who has the best go-kart but can't drive it worth crap.
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You made me laugh again.

You really have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
 
aunty dive said:
Hendrick doesn't fund race teams with his own tax-paid dollars. Why would any wealthy person do that?
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Did you even read what I said? It's typically not a great idea to dispute someone's comments by saying "you don't know what you're talking about" and not add anything of substance to the discussion.

I'll let you idolize the d-league drivers though, there's no denying that BJ McLeod is a rare talent that nobody from the street could ever match.
 
lolla79 said:
Did you even read what I said? It's typically not a great idea to dispute someone's comments by saying "you don't know what you're talking about" and not add anything of substance to the discussion.

I'll let you idolize the d-league drivers though, there's no denying that BJ McLeod is a rare talent that nobody from the street could ever match.
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I'll stand by what I said.

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/24/sports/the-racer-s-edge-a-strong-psyche.html?pagewanted=all

Mr. McLeod is a very successful Super Late Model racer trying to make it in the big leagues. You and most people off the street couldn't pick this "scrub's" helmet bag up, much less carry it around.
 
aunty dive said:
I'll stand by what I said.

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/05/24/sports/the-racer-s-edge-a-strong-psyche.html?pagewanted=all

Mr. McLeod is a very successful Super Late Model racer trying to make it in the big leagues. You and most people off the street couldn't pick this "scrub's" helmet bag up, much less carry it around.
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Yes because an article from 1987 is so relevant to the conversation we're having in 2017. I'm sure there's no diminish in skill 30 years later that will affect him "trying to make it to the big leagues". LOL.

Just accept the fact that not everyone in the "big leagues" is good, just like everyone who isn't in the big leagues ISN'T bad. It's all about timing. There's plenty of people who will never get an opportunity that could do better. You can't just deal in absolutes and say "oh he's in Nascar, he's better than everyone who isn't."

Like I said, with ample time anyone can do it. I never said you had to be Jimmie Johnson.
 
^^ I don't know in what area your expertise lies but I'd suggest you shouldn't venture too far from it.
 
lolla79 said:
Yes because an article from 1987 is so relevant to the conversation we're having in 2017. I'm sure there's no diminish in skill 30 years later that will affect him "trying to make it to the big leagues". LOL.

Just accept the fact that not everyone in the "big leagues" is good, just like everyone who isn't in the big leagues ISN'T bad. It's all about timing. There's plenty of people who will never get an opportunity that could do better. You can't just deal in absolutes and say "oh he's in Nascar, he's better than everyone who isn't."

Like I said, with ample time anyone can do it. I never said you had to be Jimmie Johnson.
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To an extent, if JJ never went up to Jeff Gordon to ask for advice in mid 2000 are we sure Jimmie would have ever made it? He was middling in the Busch Series at that time, nothing really stood out. To an extent it is timing to even get an opportunity to take advantage of a ride. But I'm not in the racing business or profess to know.

Truex_rox said:
I think that it could be argued that McDowell, DiBenedetto, and Buescher & Almirola (to an extent) all deserve better rides. Those guys have talent.
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I'd take Buescher on my team right now if I was an owner, good talent and potential.

mdh1776 said:
Even the back marker drivers are still some of the best in the country. To say that they suck is a bit of stretch.
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Yea I would venture to say that anyone that makes it to Cup level doesn't suck. Would never say that as we hear each week on the broadcasts these are "40 of the most talented drivers in the world." I kid, but there's a reason these guys and gal race each week, they are damn good. Now jobber though....I'll stick with that.
 
@lolla79

Explain to me how Jack Roush screwed buscher over? he paid for him out of pocket for years in the Nationwide Series, kid proved himself then Jack Roush secure a ride in the cup series and still no sponsors jumped on board to get the kid over to Roush Fenway racing Jack Roush doesn't say hey I love Trevor Bayne AdvoCare you better stick with him, hey I love Ricky Stenhouse Fastenal you better stick with him he's not picking those guys over Chris buescher it's up to the sponsorship can't believe people don't understand how companies run NASCAR not the owners. And you can't say that JTG all the sudden came up with sponsorship for Chris buescher Kroger was willing to add additional sponsorship and they had enough to spread them out between both cars. they also have a b2b program with JTG. We will see how they will do next year but if you haven't noticed JTG it has spread themselves thin running two cars but for them it's cost-effective because they secured another Charter. So sick and tired of people bad-mouthing Jack Roush the guy might be an old-school hard-ass and he can be an a****** but he's very successful and he's given multiple drivers and other people countless opportunities because the guy is an old-school racer, not offer personal gain.[/QUOTE]
 
lolla79 said:
Anyone can drive a Nascar if they have money and/or connections. Take a look at the guys running towards the back of every Xfinity race and you'll see my point.
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Nascar is much different than stick and ball in that you can buy a spot in the game in Nascar and line up on the grid. Obviously that is not possible in stick and ball as positions are doled out on merit only.
 
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