Tony Stewart running over someone?

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R Clarence said:
Your lack of surprise is well reasoned, TRL.

To a learned journalist, all auto loading long guns are AK-47s and all auto loading pistols are Glocks. Either or both could be fitted with “great big clips that hold a lot of bullets.” A race car is what the media thinks it is.
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Incorrect. They are all AR-15 assault rifles.
 
I was just perusing a few media sites and it is incredible to read the back & forth reader comments. SO MUCH SPECULATION. So many want vengeance, others with knowledge are trying to offer a more accurate perspective. I know what I saw.
I feel sorry for the Ward family, and I feel sorry for Tony, also.
I can't imagine what the family is going through and I don't know what Tony is doing to cope with this tragedy. Hopefully, all involved are getting some counseling. Sometimes, it's just good to talk about stuff to a trained ear.
I believe there will be civil litigation. I wish there wouldn't.
I hope everyone involved eventually heals.
 
I just sent the "Sandusky Register" some awesome kudos for this one.

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DanicaFreak said:
LOL. It was just a comment on some of the guys getting a little....off topic shall we say.
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Yeah, I apologize for my small contribution to that. This thread and the circumstances we're discussing in it have just been so negative, you know? I was glad that the mood was starting to lighten a little bit, minus the initial back and forth. Sometimes I forget that this thread isn't in the Podium yet, which quite frankly is astonishing.

Anyway, rules is rules.
 
i really have figured that this was going to happen one day, can't understand with all the safety Nascar talks, they have not did anything other than pit-road speed to control some of this. i mean have you really paid attention to how fast some of the cars have turned in to go behind pit wall from a wrecked or broken car, and even going into victory circle. all it takes is a foot to slide off a pedal and you have a mess.
 
pudge said:
i really have figured that this was going to happen one day, can't understand with all the safety Nascar talks, they have not did anything other than pit-road speed to control some of this. i mean have you really paid attention to how fast some of the cars have turned in to go behind pit wall from a wrecked or broken car, and even going into victory circle. all it takes is a foot to slide off a pedal and you have a mess.
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While I think that there may be possible rule changes in NASCAR, because of the Stewart/Ward incident, I think there is enough that is dissimilar between NASCAR racing and local dirt track racing to make the two comparable. I think the NASCAR safety crews do an amazing job. I think NASCAR drivers are more sensible, more professional and more responsible than what Ward appeared to be. I think there will be something said in the next few driver meetings but I hope it doesn't involve more rules. I think now, more than ever, everyone in the NASCAR racing community has a renewed awareness of the danger involved with being on foot on the racing surface. I hope this doesn't interfere with "Boys Have At It."
 
BobbyFord said:
While I think that there may be possible rule changes in NASCAR, because of the Stewart/Ward incident, I think there is enough that is dissimilar between NASCAR racing and local dirt track racing to make the two comparable. I think the NASCAR safety crews do an amazing job. I think NASCAR drivers are more sensible, more professional and more responsible than what Ward appeared to be. I think there will be something said in the next few driver meetings but I hope it doesn't involve more rules. I think now, more than ever, everyone in the NASCAR racing community has a renewed awareness of the danger involved with being on foot on the racing surface. I hope this doesn't interfere with "Boys Have At It."
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Tony had 2 track officials escorting him when he threw the helmet at Kenseth, they didnt appear to be worried about what he was doing
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Yes, that's the one. Don't do that to this old lady. :D

But, after listening to some of the blather, I wouldn't be a bit surprised is some thought that all race cars are alike.
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In my avatar you can see that we have the graphics of a funny car on the side of our trailer and it says nitro funny car on the side of the trailer, also. But, i can't count how many times i have had people come up to me in a travel plaza or a rest area and ask me if there is a Nascar in the trailer.:)
 
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Kyle18fan said:
Tony had 2 track officials escorting him when he threw the helmet at Kenseth, they didnt appear to be worried about what he was doing
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He wasn't running into the path of Kenseth's car, he was at least 20 feet away from Matt's car when he launched the helmet. Bristol pit road speed is 30mph, it was also lit up like daytime, there is better visibility out the front of a stock car.
I'm not saying that there was anything that the NASCAR officials could've done, I'm showing the differences between the two incidences.
 
BobbyFord said:
I hope this doesn't interfere with "Boys Have At It."
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As I recall, "Boys Have At It" has been dead since KyBu ran into Hornaday at that Truck race. I think Pemberton or Helton even said so at the time.

Even Gordo was fined big for ramrodding Bowyer at Phoenix in 2012.
 
KevinWI said:
As I recall, "Boys Have At It" has been dead since KyBu ran into Hornaday at that Truck race. I think Pemberton or Helton even said so at the time.

Even Gordo was fined big for ramrodding Bowyer at Phoenix in 2012.
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I thought it died after Richmond last year, when NASCAR came out with that lame 100% rule that they never enforce.
 
KevinWI said:
As I recall, "Boys Have At It" has been dead since KyBu ran into Hornaday at that Truck race. I think Pemberton or Helton even said so at the time.

Even Gordo was fined big for ramrodding Bowyer at Phoenix in 2012.
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NASCAR is a lot more lenient with regard to policing tempers than it was 15 years ago. I don't want it to become more tame.
 
BobbyFord said:
NASCAR is a lot more lenient with regard to policing tempers than it was 15 years ago. I don't want it to become more tame.
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Yeah the accepted Nascar procedure it appears, is to get out of your car, wait for the driver to drive by and you make a what the heck gesture. I think anything else like flipping the bird, or trying to hit the car or throwing an object, or blocking the driver from getting by will get you a trip to the trailer and a big fine to remember to never do that again or you and your team are racing for free. not to mention probation, which so far has kept the hotheads under control. Kyle has come the closest to getting himself ran off lately. Carl's and Brad's deal got out of hand really quick, I don't know about anybody else, but if I wanted to see something like that every week, something would be wrong with me. I can see some of that happening going for the win sometimes, but for no reason in the middle of the race, it would leave a bad taste in my mouth. Somebody would get killed or screwed up for life. Dangerous enough without all that.
 
Not sure if anyone posted this...

  • NASCAR could consider rule to prevent drivers from getting out of cars: Kevin Ward Jr.'s death occurred in a sprint car race, but its implications could reach Sprint Cup - not only because the fatality involved a car driven by Tony Stewart. When NASCAR officials hold their weekly competition meeting Tuesday, it's likely they will discuss the circumstances that allowed Ward to exit his ****pit and angrily scramble down the banking to confront Stewart under a yellow flag at Canandaigua Motorsports Park. Ward's death has prompted suggestions that rules are needed that keep drivers in their cars under caution until safety personnel arrive. At least two dirt tracks in New York made changes Monday as Brewerton Speedway and Fulton Speedway announced in a website release that drivers would be required to stay in their cars during an accident. If a driver were to exit the car during a yellow, the race would be placed under a red flag, and the penalty could include a fine or suspension. There is precedent for deaths in other series being the impetus for immediate changes in NASCAR. "We always have discussions to become better," NASCAR spokesman Kerry Tharp told USA TODAY Sports. "NASCAR has a history of looking at situations, and we're not afraid to react to them."(USA Today)(8-12-2014)
 
Things can go wrong quickly. When Montoya's steering broke, that could've happened to any car out there and hit something other than a jet dryer.
 
Trying not to comment on this topic . There is really nothing to say . Condolences .
 
  • Latest on Tony Stewart:
    Accident investigation expected to take at least 2 more weeks: The Ontario County Sheriff issued the following statement Tuesday afternoon:
    "The investigation into the death of Kevin Ward, Jr., of Lewis County, N.Y., is ongoing and is expected to continue for at least another two weeks or more. Investigators continue to seek witnesses, gather evidence, and develop the racetrack crash reconstruction. However, it would be inappropriate to discuss details or findings of the investigation with the media at this time. I would like to thank everyone for their cooperation as the Ontario County Office of Sheriff continues this investigation and for having patience as we conduct a thorough review of all of the relevant facts involving this tragic accident. When the investigation is completed, we will meet with members of the Ontario County District Attorney's Office and discuss with them all aspects of the investigation into the crash that occurred on August 9, 2014 at the Canandaigua Speedway. At that time, more information relating to any determinations that have been made may be released. In closing, on behalf of the Ontario County Office of Sheriff, our thoughts and prayers continue to be with the family of Kevin Ward, Jr."
    AND Stewart could still face legal consequences: [Stewart] could be charged with second-degree manslaughter under New York law if prosecutors believe he "recklessly caused the death of another person," with negligent homicide another possibility, according to criminal law professor Corey Rayburn Yung of the Kansas University School of Law. Athletes in competition often do things that would get the average person arrested - think two boxers in the ring, or a baserunner sliding into second with his spikes high. But sometimes an act is so far outside the bounds of accepted sporting behavior that it becomes a crime, as former major leaguer Jose Offerman learned when he was charged with felony assault for rushing the mound - swinging a bat - after he was hit by a pitch in a minor league game. So Stewart would not expect to be charged for the car-on-car bump that sent Ward spinning into the wall. But if, for example, he were to tell police that he saw Ward on the track and tried to shower him with dirt or otherwise send him a message, a first-degree manslaughter charge could be a possibility, Yung said. Even if he is cleared by prosecutors, though, Stewart could face a civil suit. Although the standard of proof is lower than in a criminal case, the civil court would also consider Ward's state of mind at the time of the accident and whether he was also negligent in venturing into racing traffic on a dark track in a dark suit. But Stewart would also have to weigh the damage to his image and career - with his own team, tracks and millions in endorsements - making a quick settlement likely.(Associated Press)
    AND Other driver says Stewart could not avoid Ward: "From what I saw, Tony did everything in his power to turn down away from Kevin to avoid him," said sprint car driver Cory Sparks. Sparks was just a few cars behind Stewart during Saturday's race. He said videos that have been posted online do not give an accurate picture of what happened. "People say that they heard the engine rev up and he gassed it. In a sprint car, the only way to steer is you steer with the rear wheels as much as you do the steering wheel. In my opinion, what he did was he gassed it to turn down away from him," said Sparks.(Time Warner News)
    AND Ward's father speaks: Kevin Ward Sr. spoke ... on Monday. "A situation happened and everybody has their own opinions," Ward Sr. said. "Some are way off, some without a clue and some are very hurtful. A 20-year-old talented driver was killed and that's what we need to focus on ... We've had a lot of messages sent. We are so thankful. If everybody could just pray for us, we'll get through it."(Syracuse.com)
    AND Stewart still entered in Michigan race: As of Tuesday evening, MIS had not heard from Stewart-Haas Racing or NASCAR in regards to Stewart's status this weekend, only that he is inked in to race on the NASCAR entry list for Michigan.(Detroit Free Press)
    AND Canandaigua Motorsports Park will resume racing Saturday: Statement from Jeremie Corcoran, Owner/Promoter of Canandaigua Motorsports Park concerning this Saturday August 16th racing: "Up until today I could not even think about another show at Canandaigua Motorsports Park. I spoke to Kevin Ward Sr this morning and he encouraged me to "get back to racing at CMP, Kevin would want you to". I consulted with all my staff also today as well as my family. Everyone has said that we need to begin to heal and that means we need to come together this Saturday night and put on a show in memory of Kevin Jr and support this great sport that we all love. We need to show our support of everyone that was involved and has been affected. "We will be racing this Saturday night at Canandaigua Motorsports Park to show the world how strong we are as a racing family! How we can grieve together and come together. I ask that everyone wear something Orange to display our unity! We will be doing something special at the track on Saturday night. "I want to thank everyone for the integrity you have shown in your comments on our Facebook page and for the support you have given my family, all my staff, every racer, and all the fans that have been deeply affected. I am forever grateful"(Canandaigua Motorsports Park Facebook page.
    For earlier updates on the accident, see the #14 team news page.(8-13-2014)
 
StandOnIt said:
Yeah the accepted Nascar procedure it appears, is to get out of your car, wait for the driver to drive by and you make a what the heck gesture. I think anything else like flipping the bird, or trying to hit the car or throwing an object, or blocking the driver from getting by will get you a trip to the trailer and a big fine to remember to never do that again or you and your team are racing for free. not to mention probation, which so far has kept the hotheads under control. Kyle has come the closest to getting himself ran off lately. Carl's and Brad's deal got out of hand really quick, I don't know about anybody else, but if I wanted to see something like that every week, something would be wrong with me. I can see some of that happening going for the win sometimes, but for no reason in the middle of the race, it would leave a bad taste in my mouth. Somebody would get killed or screwed up for life. Dangerous enough without all that.
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I figured after Harvick got out of his car and it rolled away when he was mad at Kyle Busch that Nascar would have cracked down on this procedure.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
Yeah, I apologize for my small contribution to that. This thread and the circumstances we're discussing in it have just been so negative, you know? I was glad that the mood was starting to lighten a little bit, minus the initial back and forth. Sometimes I forget that this thread isn't in the Podium yet, which quite frankly is astonishing.

Anyway, rules is rules.
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I keep hearing about this Podium, found it and opened it up only to be told I was insufficient and didn't have access, guess I'll just have to wait to become efficient enough to get in????:idunno:
 
BobbyFord said:
  • AND Stewart could still face legal consequences: [Stewart] could be charged with second-degree manslaughter under New York law if prosecutors believe he "recklessly caused the death of another person," with negligent homicide another possibility, according to criminal law professor Corey Rayburn Yung of the Kansas University School of Law.
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It's idiots like this that keep stirring the pot to get their 15 minutes of fame. All these so-called expert's don't know any more then we do, it's all speculation as no facts from the investigation have been made public.
They all need to shut their pie hole.
 
Bobw said:
It's idiots like this that keep stirring the pot to get their 15 minutes of fame. All these so-called expert's don't know any more then we do, it's all speculation as no facts from the investigation have been made public.
They all need to shut their pie hole.
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It's nothing that I didn't say earlier in the thread. What he said is TECHNICALLY true, but unlikely to happen. It's not even speculation, you could say that Man 2 is possible without seeing the video. The investigation determines whether he could be convicted and that determines whether or not the DA would pursue it.

He won't be charged but the law prof's statement is hardly an idiot going after 15 minutes. It was a statement of fact that was possibly ill-timed, but not speculation.

(And what is this Podium thing and can I have access to it?)
 
I am even tired of the other side bitching about the other side, and now they are back biting people who are on their side. Whole bunch of people taking themselves too seriously.
 
BobbyFord said:
While I think that there may be possible rule changes in NASCAR, because of the Stewart/Ward incident, I think there is enough that is dissimilar between NASCAR racing and local dirt track racing to make the two comparable. I think the NASCAR safety crews do an amazing job. I think NASCAR drivers are more sensible, more professional and more responsible than what Ward appeared to be. I think there will be something said in the next few driver meetings but I hope it doesn't involve more rules. I think now, more than ever, everyone in the NASCAR racing community has a renewed awareness of the danger involved with being on foot on the racing surface. I hope this doesn't interfere with "Boys Have At It."
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I think nascar will enforce a 'do not approach the racing line' adjustment to a driver showing anger. Maybe even a limit to how far from his car a driver can wander.

What complicates all this is sometimes a driver is a little woozy and not thinking clearly. I still wonder why Ward first went after the wrong car. He tried to jump in front of the blue car, which swerved and barely missed him, partly because Ward jumped back up the track. He didn't move for Tony. Seems he thought he could make him stop, but that isn't easy with a car that's always in gear and idles at about 30 mph, and running on a slick track.
 
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