Uh Oh...Cheater cheater pumpkin eater...L1 for the 4 team

Discussion in 'NASCAR chat' started by AdoubleU24, Nov 7, 2018.

  1. Nitro Dude

    Nitro Dude Hauler Driver and Cylinder Head Maintenance

    I want to clarify that I'm not condoning cheating but I just find it amusing that some act like it is the first time it has ever happened. Tech will probably check the # 4 team pretty close next year but I don't think that will slow them down a bit and I bet they will win a lot of races in 2019. Time will tell.:)
     
  2. Ventisca

    Ventisca Jackman Contributor

    It's part of NASCAR DNA.

    But, when you get caught, especially with counterfeit parts that an organization has fabricated, then covered up -- you should be swiftly dealt with in a meaningful way -- full one year suspension for all parties involved to start. The 4 Team under a 2 year blanket probation where they pay the cost of additional random inspections. Team 4 vacates all 2018 Race Wins. DQ from the Chase.

    I don't accept the argument that Cheaters can hold it hostage by arguing that harsh enforcement of the rules (no more slaps on the wrist, but actual life changing penalties for cheaters) leads to the destruction of NASCAR. MWR went under for their scandal, yet the NASCAR Jungle survived.

    And I'm a Ford Fan (Hallelujah 2018 Ford program!) -- but this was simply unacceptable...
     
  3. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    making judgements when you don't know the whole story isn't my thing. I'm sure Nascar will come up with something, they said they were going to. I'm also sure it won't be enough for some or too much for others depending on which team gets caught with the newer rules in place. As it was I believe they got a pretty maximum on the books penalty. Having three Gibbs cars Busch, Jones, and Hamlin (no Suarez) that the splitters were deemed illegal to start the race, and that very important part the splitter was supposed to be a part that was handed out by Nascar and the mounting positions were not to be tampered with period. And they were. all three of them. Not knowing the particulars of that either? No points removed and a 25 grand fine for everybody? I'm sure somebody will tell me how fair that one was.
     
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  4. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    This is the first I heard that. There is pushing the envelope a hair past the line and correcting that when you fail inspection you pull back. This ( if true) is downright fraudulent and they should have got the same fine MWR did when they got caught with the additive in the fuel.
    I would say a 10 race suspension for the car chief and the crew chief and the #4 misses Daytona.
    Of course the race they should have been forced to miss was Homestead.
     
  5. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Very disappointing in how that turned out. See MWR penalty for altering fuel.
     
  6. kyle18fan

    kyle18fan Team Owner Contributor



    Wonderful work :salute:
     
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  7. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Nascar had better be casting a close fish eye looking at Rodney's spoiler braces this year.
    [​IMG]
     
  8. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

    The ones with the hinges in the middle?

    Let's make it official: Rodney is the new Chad.
     
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  9. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    Has been for at least 2-3 yrs. Chad did out do him after they won a championship.
     
  10. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    I respect your response. Doug Rice on Fast Talk (PRN Radio).
     
  11. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    I think there is a distinct difference between pushing the envelope, and what they did. Lots of time spent in doing this I suspect. The measure of the significance of what they did was their performance in Homestead. They went from dominant to ordinary. Both Rice and Gille noted the Homestead performance as eye opening. Moving forward, you will never be able to tell the significance of their cheating because the rules package will blow up comparisons. Finally, it is what it is, but when Rodney basically calls everybody an idiot because there wasn't a performance advantage and Delana's wife says that he wants his little buddy to keep on keeping on.....you have a team that hasn't gotten it. Bad optics as they say. Honestly, I wouldn't give a sh!t, but when you have a sanctioning body that is falling all over themselves and spending tons of money to inspect the sh!t out of these guys, you have an epic fail systemically. For whatever reason (NBC for sure), this didn't become a bigger story until Rice and Gille dug it up the other night, but this had the potential to really damage the series credibility which is already on the ropes. This wasn't a struggling team getting desperate, this was a very good team sticking it up the ass of fellow competitors, and the series in general.....and then in hindsight suggesting that they would do it all over again. For people obsessed with parity and fair play....
     
  12. Nitro Dude

    Nitro Dude Hauler Driver and Cylinder Head Maintenance

    I agree with you that there is a difference between pushing the envelope and blatant cheating but I don't think it hurt their performance at Homestead near as much as you think it did. They were running really good until it turned dark and the track cooled down. I think they just missed the setup for the night session. I suspect that next year they will be on a mission to prove to everyone that they don't need to cheat to be dominant...and that could be bad for the other teams. Kyle was pretty dominant all year also but they weren't at Homestead where it counted the most. But, I love your enthusiasm.:)
     
  13. Ventisca

    Ventisca Jackman Contributor

    Hmmm -- what is SHR's budget for Cheating?

    Especially since Harvick is calling for more of the same. Maybe the "audit" will reveal the numbers...
     
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  14. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Harvick started back in the pack and it was total domination the first two stages of the race at homestead. Won the first stage easily and was coming to the line the second stage in first and didn't race Larson hard who was and finished second by a fender. Everybody was looking around wondering where KDB was? I thought after stage 2, looks like they found something screwy on the 18? Who knows? What happened? Did they give him Suarez's car by mistake? One can make a tin foil hat case for both IMO.
     
  15. Ventisca

    Ventisca Jackman Contributor

    :D :lurk:
     
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  16. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    hope ya got a chuckle out of that, I know I did.
     
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  17. Wrangler1

    Wrangler1 Team Owner

    Nothing about their performance at Homestead indicated they lost speed due to the spoiler. Nothing.

    Harvick hasn't led more than 79 laps at Homestead since 2014. Average finish of 2.6 with 47 laps led per race. He finished 3rd, leading 58 laps. Sounds about par for the course
     
  18. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Sounds about right to me but never get in the way of a good conspiracy or anyone with an agenda.
     
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  19. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    It doesn't take much IMO to go from dominant to fast. Really, Kyle didn't have much for the 4 all year. Consistently 1-2 tenths off. Was the spoiler worth that? I don't think they would have done what they did if it wasn't honestly. Next year will be meaningless in comparison to this year with the package changes. Thanks for appreciating my enthusiasm. I love this damn sport.
     
  20. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    Thanks Rodney.
     
  21. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    ....or are you Rodney?
     
  22. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    .
    Were the fans that turned the wrong way last year worth that to the Toyotas? this can go on and on.
     
  23. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    You have this as the same thing? Truly?
     
  24. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Like D.W. (Jaws) said a long time ago, "I don't have to tell you people who have been around for a while, cheating is a way of life in Nascar Grand National Racing". So grab your crotch like you like to say, grunt a couple of times and move on bud. Twinkle toes will have his chance next year, just like the rest of em will.
     
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  25. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    So, you aren't going to answer the question, right? I mean, I am all about letting them play. You are the one who shits himself over parity and inspections. So, you are all good with what Rodney the Innocent and Delana's Wife who Knew Nothing did?
     
  26. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I just did. What part of that do you not get?
     
  27. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    Mr. OSS good with the spoiler. Nothing screams fanboi more than that. Equating the splitter stuff with Rodney's spoiler does not represent the depth of knowledge I know you have about this sport well at all.
     
  28. Team Penske

    Team Penske Team Owner

    I guess all those races he won mean nothing or maybe your saying if Harvick wasn't cheating every race Kyle would have won 16 races??
    Explain to me why Kyle didn't win the championship this year AGAIN.
     
  29. Towmater

    Towmater Ratings Craterville

    Because Joey won it.
     
  30. Ventisca

    Ventisca Jackman Contributor

    Who cheated more, who didn't really cheat, cheating is racing...

    ===

    Bottom Line: On the Final Restart there was nothing between KyBu and the Cup Championship but the Checkered Flag.

    Harvick's spoiler (either authentic or Rodney's version) was behind him.

    All KyBu's pit road issues were behind him.

    The 2018 Season was all behind KyBu except for that last short-run push for the Championship. KyBu leading to green, Truex with long-run late race set up, Logano with short-run late race set up, Harvick prevailing over the first 2 stages amongst the Final Four drivers.

    High anxiety for closing out the season -- as a race fan I thought it was awesome!
     
  31. Towmater

    Towmater Ratings Craterville

    Funny how your "facts" don't state anything about Penske winning 6 of the final 12 races. They peaked when it mattered.
     
  32. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    They don't mean anything to me. Two of his races were encumbered, and the last of the two was egregious. Laughable that the Delana wife apologists mention Kyle Busch in almost every post I have made about this. For those who think Delana's wife was business as normal at Homestead, you weren't watching lap times. He wasn't what he had been, but you were hoping he was and I get that. Your guy lived a lie thanks to Rodney, and there is no question the driver was aware IMO.
     
  33. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    Help me with this....Were any wins encumbered? Why do you reference the Toyotas to justify the laughable cheating that Rodney did? Would you do the same for the Toyotas had the shoe been on the other foot. You confuse me. You champion the OSS because it took away a Toyota advantage, but excuse away the blatant and proven cheating from the 4 team. If you would just acknowledge that you aren't interested in anything other than the Toyotas getting beat, then you would start to make sense. You won't, so you don't. Laughable.
     
  34. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    here ya go, help is on the way

    Like D.W. (Jaws) said a long time ago, "I don't have to tell you people who have been around for a while, cheating is a way of life in Nascar Grand National Racing"
     
  35. Tight in Loose off

    Tight in Loose off Crew Chief

    Kyle Busch gets more downforce from his ears than .200 of spoiler!


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  36. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    Your non-answer is your answer. If this is the case, why the hell did we ever do the OSS thing? I love you @StandOnIt! Don't ever change! Next year is going to be awesome.
     
  37. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    Hope you didn't work all night on that one.
     
  38. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    who figured out the black color would help them get an edge, who figured out they weren't checking the spoiler. In your own words Bud... INNOVATION. Your problem is and it always is, your boys didn't find it.;)
     
  39. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    So, they had an advantage? You are confusing yourself. I am all about letting them go, Mr. OSS.
     
  40. Charlie Spencer

    Charlie Spencer Short tracks and road courses rule.

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