What do you think of the NextGen Car?

2 Sweet said:
That's what I don't understand. They had to have known this would be an issue, right? All of this was by design. An 18" wheel to clear the bigger brakes obviously means a lower profile sidewall. Someone made the decision that inner liners wouldn't be necessary, and I can't figure out the logic behind that. I also don't understand how a company that developed the low profile runflat tire 30 years ago can't apply a similar concept to their low profile racing slick.

I find it hard to believe they just overlooked something like this. There has to be an explanation, but I'm not smart enough to figure it out. Regardless, if this is the biggest problem we're seeing with the new car (other than the parts shortage) I would call that a win.
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I haven't read everything in here but on DBC, TJ and the guys flat out said this was a repeat occurrence during testing lol. So they definitely knew.
 
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aunty dive said:
I’m not interested in discussing solutions to a mechanical / design problem that includes 5 fully costumed clowns jumping out of a VW Beetle on the front straight in front of a packed grandstand.

Or 8” metal rollers. The mind wanders.
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What if we have rappers performing while the tire is changed?
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Ah, I didn't make myself clear again. Completely new 15" single-nut wheels, not the old 5-holers.
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Would the OEMs even want to go back to 15” wheels? I thought the reason for the change was to resemble production car wheels more closely, and all three cars have some sort of trim/package option that come with 18” wheels.
 
Maybe the drivers can keep a spare tire in the ****pit with their water bottles
 
Spotter22 said:
I know, but man any change now will break the bank. We have to find a simple way.
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I know there is zero chance but...will the 15" wheel even fit over this snout? IF it does, an adapter could be made to essentially make it a single-nut wheel. Adapter bolts into wheel.

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I haven't read everything in here but on DBC, TJ and the guys flat out said this was a repeat occurrence during testing lol. So they definitely knew.
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this was all planned, so the networks could squeeze in even more commercials.
 
Tell me, are these the same wheels? Referring to the Aluminum ones. They aren't but are almost the same. The Camaro is V-8 Supercar. What size tires?

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^^^the Supercars tires look to me to have an even lower aspect ratio. (sidewall height)

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Control Dunlop Sport Maxx 290/675X18 Supercars tyre – Soft and Super Soft compound; grooved Dunlop 18" Supercars wet tyre
 
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I'm going to head over to a F1 Forum, and see if they are talking about **** like this. Parts break, tires go flat, engines overheat (******** it)....Only in NASCAR would we be having a conversation about what to do if a race car has a flat tire.
 
Revman said:
I'm going to head over to a F1 Forum, and see if they are talking about **** like this. Parts break, tires go flat, engines overheat (******** it)....Only in NASCAR would we be having a conversation about what to do if a race car has a flat tire.
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F1 is not NASCAR. What a dumb comment.

A tire going down is now a MUCH bigger hindrance than before due to an unnecessary oversight, and the consequences have been discussed here at length. This isn't a difficult concept to understand. If you want to stick your head in the sand and accept this problem like it's no big deal, be my guest. But don't mock the rest of us because we recognize an issue and hope to find a solution.
 
Revman said:
I'm going to head over to a F1 Forum, and see if they are talking about **** like this. Parts break, tires go flat, engines overheat (******** it)....Only in NASCAR would we be having a conversation about what to do if a race car has a flat tire.
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Well even Elton Sawyer said they were working on it so it is a problem. We are just bench racing of course
 
Revman said:
I'm going to head over to a F1 Forum, and see if they are talking about **** like this. Parts break, tires go flat, engines overheat (******** it)....Only in NASCAR would we be having a conversation about what to do if a race car has a flat tire.
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Enjoy the discussion on how nobody can pass and why qualifying is more important than the race itself.
 
Maybe it’s as simple as Harry Hoge’s quote

50 laps your way 50 laps my way

Reddick’s setup made him faster than everyone else and used up his tires
 
Spotter22 said:
Well even Elton Sawyer said they were working on it so it is a problem. We are just bench racing of course
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Like many things in NASCAR, it's a problem because fans bitch. I think that is more about PR than recognizing it as an actual problem. The tire is a spec part. If it goes flat, you have a problem. If another spec part breaks, you have a problem. I don't even remember how many flats there actually were because it doesn't matter to me really. It happens. I respect the bench racing, however.
 
2 Sweet said:
F1 is not NASCAR. What a dumb comment.

A tire going down is now a MUCH bigger hindrance than before due to an unnecessary oversight, and the consequences have been discussed here at length. This isn't a difficult concept to understand. If you want to stick your head in the sand and accept this problem like it's no big deal, be my guest. But don't mock the rest of us because we recognize an issue and hope to find a solution.
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Well, then, how about Indy Car? Pick your series. Point being that this is such an insignificant thing really. Stuff your snark. It's unnecessary. Nobody is mocking anybody. I love this sport.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Enjoy the discussion on how nobody can pass and why qualifying is more important than the race itself.
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It's a great series. Just different. Growing like crazy. I don't watch it much though.....no Toyota there....but I watched every single race they lost when WE were there.
 
Revman said:
Well, then, how about Indy Car? Pick your series. Point being that this is such an insignificant thing really. Stuff your snark. It's unnecessary. Nobody is mocking anybody. I love this sport.
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NASCAR is not F1 or Indycar or IMSA or NHRA or USAC or anything else, and I guarantee none of those series are perfect either. It's OK to want to improve things that could use improvement.

If you like more cautions, longer cautions, unnecessary cautions, cars getting stuck everywhere, and drivers receiving a MUCH harsher penalty than ever before for something as simple as a tire failure......sure, it's "insignificant".
 
2 Sweet said:
NASCAR is not F1 or Indycar or IMSA or NHRA or USAC or anything else, and I guarantee none of those series are perfect either. It's OK to want to improve things that could use improvement.

If you like more cautions, longer cautions, unnecessary cautions, cars getting stuck everywhere, and drivers receiving a MUCH harsher penalty than ever before for something as simple as a tire failure......sure, it's "insignificant".
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I hear you, but it pains me that this issue has become such a big part of the Next Gen narrative. IMO the car has been wildly successful (keep in mind that MY Toyotas are currently getting their asses kicked), and I hate for this to become a bigger deal than it needs to be. Of course, on this board, anything goes, but I am thinking in more general terms--NASCAR Radio, etc.

The sport has changed obviously, and maybe the old school idea of spinning it, ripping the fenders off, limping back to the pits, and finishing without a hood are no longer part of what it is. There are more cautions because the cars are hard to drive, and cars are not getting stuck everywhere.....and it's okay if a flat is a harsh penalty. This sport is supposed to be hard and unforgiving.
 
I like the concept of all cars being equal, which is what NASCAR is trying to do with these new cars. I thought Fontana would be a disaster but it was the exact opposite. I'm liking what I've seen thus far.
 
JJ_14 said:
I like the concept of all cars being equal, which is what NASCAR is trying to do with these new cars. I thought Fontana would be a disaster but it was the exact opposite. I'm liking what I've seen thus far.
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I think a certain amount of spec-ness of equality is important in the interest of cost containment, but I still insist on some manufacturer input. The Next Gen takes all of the aero "creativity" away (in theory), but the engine now takes center stage IMO.....not a bad thing in racing. I think we saw some creativity in the way MY Toyotas cool the Camry TRD's in the interest of increasing downforce which didn't work. I think that there must be some very interesting proprietary work going on with the headers as well I would think given the different exhaust layout. I am getting some of the tech stuff I crave with a responsible approach to sustaining the sport....and the cars look ****** fabulous. NASCAR nailed this.
 
Revman said:
IMO the car has been wildly successful
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Thanks for qualifying that it is your opinion. That might not be the same for everyone.

NASCAR should not be like other racing venues, that is not the premise of what built it. The question is, why are they trying to make it like other racing venues.

Champ Cars lost the local connection and went through a terrible couple of decades of falling participation and dwindling fan base. Quite a few pundits correlated this with the alienation of the grass root base. Will NASCAR follow suit?

Watching the numbers, it is interesting that this year has seen a marginal up tick in both the Exfinity series and the Truck series based on marketing research. Still too early to tell what this is due to. Part of it most assuredly is the lifting of Covid restrictions, but one thing has already been noted, that the fans of those two series are more attuned, more involved race fans in regard to the idiosyncrasies of the sport...i.e. "stock" car racing.

The Next Gen Cup seems to be drawing less of those and more of the entertainment event type fan that does not give a rat's behind as to those idiosyncrasies. They do not know the difference between front drive, rear drive, or all wheel drive... much less any other technical aspect of the cars themselves. For some of us, this is a sad departure from what we have based our experience on over decades.
 
OldTimer said:
Thanks for qualifying that it is your opinion. That might not be the same for everyone.

NASCAR should not be like other racing venues, that is not the premise of what built it. The question is, why are they trying to make it like other racing venues.

Champ Cars lost the local connection and went through a terrible couple of decades of falling participation and dwindling fan base. Quite a few pundits correlated this with the alienation of the grass root base. Will NASCAR follow suit?

Watching the numbers, it is interesting that this year has seen a marginal up tick in both the Exfinity series and the Truck series based on marketing research. Still too early to tell what this is due to. Part of it most assuredly is the lifting of Covid restrictions, but one thing has already been noted, that the fans of those two series are more attuned, more involved race fans in regard to the idiosyncrasies of the sport...i.e. "stock" car racing.

The Next Gen Cup seems to be drawing less of those and more of the entertainment event type fan that does not give a rat's behind as to those idiosyncrasies. They do not know the difference between front drive, rear drive, or all wheel drive... much less any other technical aspect of the cars themselves. For some of us, this is a sad departure from what we have based our experience on over decades.
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What racing car that you know of was using Ford 9" rear ends and rear truck arms off of early 70's Chevys until a year ago? And just what part is Nascar trying to make like other racing series? You do know that all racing series have things that are in common with others. It isn't a bad thing. You obviously haven't been following along with the construction of the car. It is ground breaking in the area of safety and ease of replacing damaged parts and pieces. For a brand new car roll out it has gone very smoothly considering.
 
Revman said:
I hear you, but it pains me that this issue has become such a big part of the Next Gen narrative. IMO the car has been wildly successful
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I don’t think anyone here disagrees. Most seem to either think it’s a success or are waiting for more races. That success makes the inability to run with a flat all the more glaring.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I don’t think anyone here disagrees. Most seem to either think it’s a success or are waiting for more races. That success makes the inability to run with a flat all the more glaring.
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Fontana was hailed as one of the worst tracks on tires that the series has. The track hasn't been run on in two years, they had to apply resin and attempt to grind some of the bumps off of it with mixed success. So while so many are focused on ONE event, two other races have been run and very little if anything has been said about a flat problem.
 
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