2021 Silly Season

Snappy D said:
I’m surprised we don’t have one of those around here yet
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There’s only one appropriate title for THAT thread...

“Has Chad Knaus lost a step?”

Or

“How many steps has Chad Knaus lost?”
 
Not sure on Hamlin's contract, but just think if he suddenly/unexpectedly goes to drive for his own team and leaves the #11 without a driver after what happened with Jones.
 
Switchback said:
Sorry if I missed it already discussed but wouldn't Stewart leaving jgr to become part owner of haas be almost the identical situation?
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Stewart's relationship with GM ran too deep at the time. His departure from JGR came during their first season with Toyota. He wasn't going to be able to drive for TRD and do what he wanted to do with team ownership elsewhere. Hendrick was also of major assistance to the establishment and initial years of SHR.

I'm not saying Hamlin won't or will do what is being rumored, but it's a different situation with different dynamics.
 
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On the surface, none of this makes a whole lot of sense to me, but I guess we shall see. If Toyota is dead set on having Bubba, why not move him to Leavine, pump some money into it, and give Bubba and or Denny a piece of the action if you want. That would make a LOT more sense than dragging Murstein/Petty, ETC. into the equation.
 
Formerjackman said:
If Toyota is dead set on having Bubba, why not move him to Leavine, pump some money into it, and give Bubba and or Denny a piece of the action if you want.
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Because Leavine is not a minority, and it looks like NASCAR really wants a popular minority to become involved in NASCAR.
 
MRM said:
Because Leavine is not a minority, and it looks like NASCAR really wants a popular minority to become involved in NASCAR.
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Well, how does anything in this rumor change THAT? The only minority I see is the driver, unless you are talking about Jordan. In that case, put his name on the 95 team and give him a slice of ownership too, just like RP has over at the 43. With a combined ownership of Leavine, Wallace, Hamlin and Jordon, there OUGHT to be enough money there to field a competitive car. ;)

Not to keep beating a dead horse, but if these rumors are actually true, then Toyota IS rightfully concerned about not having a true satellite team in Cup now when they basically threw away what was at WORST the second best satellite team the history of the sport. They are looking at jumping through hoops to create what they already had, but were too pig headed to make the dollars for Barney make sense.
 
I think the alliance or satellite team thing is different for Toyota they've shown from a financial standpoint they don't need someone paying them for data to have enough money to run up front.

Now look at teams like HMS, RCR and maybe even Penske I'm not sure they run where they are now without the income from alliance teams.

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Erik Jones to the 48 is most likely scenario at this point. Since Larson can really only sign with SHR.
 
wi_racefan said:
Now look at teams like HMS, RCR and maybe even Penske I'm not sure they run where they are now without the income from alliance teams.
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I don't think the income from alliance teams means much to Penske or HMS. HMS does produce a lot of engines they sell but I doubt they really need the money. Penske doesn't make engines and their shop is busy enough with Nascar and Indy cars.
RCR does have a engine shop separate from RCR so yes they need customers to support that business. JMO
 
Team Penske said:
I don't think the income from alliance teams means much to Penske or HMS. HMS does produce a lot of engines they sell but I doubt they really need the money. Penske doesn't make engines and their shop is busy enough with Nascar and Indy cars.
RCR does have a engine shop separate from RCR so yes they need customers to support that business. JMO
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Is buying / selling engines what @wi_racefan meant by 'alliance'? The teams mentioned sell engines to a lot of other teams, but have 'technnical alliances' with only one or maybe two other teams at most.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Is buying / selling engines what @wi_racefan meant by 'alliance'? The teams mentioned sell engines to a lot of other teams, but have 'technnical alliances' with only one or maybe two other teams at most.
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I may just have missed the point. Not sure WHY they have alliances, I know SHR likes to train pit road crews under other teams and that helps those teams with cost. It also helps teams if they want to try set ups so they supply a small team with ready to race cars.
I am sure this is the deal with RCR/Petty.
 


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Kiante said:
Whoa.

We know if Leavine ever comes back, it won't be with Toyota.
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I looked back and he also made a comment about only coming back to another nascar. So I'm not really sure who he's taking shots at or just everyone

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I don’t understand what Bob wants? Is NASCAR supposed to send him a gift basket?

He’s like an ex-girlfriend who dumps you. Then gets pissed when you haven’t called in a couple weeks.
 
It was all too much for Bob. Too hard.

We’ve seen that before.
 
My guess is just disappointed in the whole system. How you need to be aligned with a big team to be competitive and then how he was treated by that big team

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JBone88 said:
I don’t understand what Bob wants? Is NASCAR supposed to send him a gift basket?

He’s like an ex-girlfriend who dumps you. Then gets pissed when you haven’t called in a couple weeks.
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I think it was a couple of variables. The pandemic hit his construction business hard, he still had many open races, and the NextGen car was on the way.

He talked about his construction company still being the primary sponsor on the car, so I guess he just tapped out in the end. It doesn't always workout for everyone in the end sadly.
 
I have to say I am a bit disappointed Nascar didn't try to help a failing team who is in their predicament because of Covid. All the other sports ( that I know of) have stepped up their plans. Nascar delaying the Gen 7 car is understandable a big blow to a team who ended up with no resources to race another season with no cars etc.
 
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Kiante said:
I think it was a couple of variables. The pandemic hit his construction business hard, he still had many open races, and the NextGen car was on the way.

He talked about his construction company still being the primary sponsor on the car, so I guess he just tapped out in the end. It doesn't always workout for everyone in the end sadly.
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I get why he’s leaving. I don’t get what he thinks NASCAR is supposed to be reaching out to him for. Is he supposed to get a farewell parade?

Furniture Row won a championship and got nary a thank you card from the sanctioning body. Doubt they care about Leavine and his zero wins as a team owner.

I get that COVID hurt his business and ultimately did in his race team. But he’s always whining about something.
 
JBone88 said:
I get why he’s leaving. I don’t get what he thinks NASCAR is supposed to be reaching out to him for. Is he supposed to get a farewell parade
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How about a "Hey, is there anything WE can do? How about, "Is there anything we can learn from this for the future? How about, "Hey, I know you sunk millions of dollars into this deal and it didn't end well. We are real sorry about that, as we NEED good car owners that try to field competitive cars, and if your situation changes, we would love to try to get you back involved in the sport in some way". Would ANY of those things be too much to ask? Oh, I forgot. There are literally dozens of millionaires lining up at the door to turn their large fortunes into small ones by fielding a Nascar team.
 
^^^^Lmao NASCAR didn't even do these things for a championship team in Furniture Row, they sure as hell aren't for a 25th place team with 0 wins or poles in its history

Bob Leavine is the male version of a Karen. He tried to play the victim when not retaining Dibenedetto as well. As if he's not the owner of his race team
 
DaBiff1618 said:
^^^^Lmao NASCAR didn't even do these things for a championship team in Furniture Row, they sure as hell aren't for a 25th place team with 0 wins or poles in its history

Bob Leavine is the male version of a Karen. He tried to play the victim when not retaining Dibenedetto as well. As if he's not the owner of his race team
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I'm not arguing that Leavine is getting treated any worse than Barney Visser or anyone else, but that doesn't make it right, OR very smart. The reason he spoke out about the Matty D. situation is because he was taking a LOT of heat from the fans because it was a VERY unpopular decision, but his only alternative was to say no to the Toyota deal, so his hands were kind of tied. I don't fault him for trying to explain the situation and defend himself, and I don't blame him if he settles a few scores or raises some hell on the way out the door. Nobody is giving him any reason to be nice and play the corporate game.
 
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