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It's 45,000 and was previously 51,000.Phoenix doesn't have 45,000 seats FYI. sold out and selling standing room only. That's a tough one for the deathbedders to count those I bet.
It's 45,000 and was previously 51,000.Phoenix doesn't have 45,000 seats FYI. sold out and selling standing room only. That's a tough one for the deathbedders to count those I bet.
This is the mark all tracks should be at. Still a huge gathering of people. Gone for good are the days of 100k plus.It's 45,000 and was previously 51,000.
What an odd thing to say. Nascar is clearly a niche sport, as is every other form of motorsports. Always has been niche, and always will be. The only exception was a brief period of time when Nascar became a mainstream cultural fad, roughly mid 1990's through mid 2000's.Your post makes it appear that NASCAR is a niche sport and not a major sport. That confuses me. Is it a major sport or a niche sport?
Last time I went to Phoenix in 2004 it sold out at 110kCool to see a 45K sellout, I remember attending in 2016 and it wasn't quite a sellout though probably close. Even if it's only 45,000.
Really? Where did they sit because Phoenix hasnt removed that many seats. Must of had a boat load on the hillLast time I went to Phoenix in 2004 it sold out at 110k
There used to be backstretch stands at Phoenix as well, but in 2004 they didn't have as many seats in old 1-2 as they do now. There must've been about 50k on rattlesnake hillReally? Where did they sit because Phoenix hasnt removed that many seats. Must of had a boat load on the hill
Ok sorry off by 5k, all I know is it was packed and took me 3 hours to get out of there, they even had a good crowd for the truck race.The attendance was 105,000 in 2004.
https://www.racing-reference.info/race/2004_Checker_Auto_Parts_500/W
The attendance was 105,000 in 2004.
https://www.racing-reference.info/race/2004_Checker_Auto_Parts_500/W
No need. Just pointing out that place once held a lot of fans, like you said. Sucks that it's nowhere near that these days.Ok sorry off by 5k, all I know is it was packed and took me 3 hours to get out of there, they even had a good crowd for the truck race.
Less than half is a huge downgrade.No need. Just pointing out that place once held a lot of fans, like you said. Sucks that it's nowhere near that these days.
who cares?Less than half is a huge downgrade.
some how wider seats in the shade, a really nice new fan friendly garage area, 19 extra suites and WiFi everywhere is a downgrade. We are seat counters here.who cares?
The attendance was 105,000 in 2004.
https://www.racing-reference.info/race/2004_Checker_Auto_Parts_500/W
Don’t forget that UFC craze as well.What an odd thing to say. Nascar is clearly a niche sport, as is every other form of motorsports. Always has been niche, and always will be. The only exception was a brief period of time when Nascar became a mainstream cultural fad, roughly mid 1990's through mid 2000's.
For a brief decade, Nascar was a white hot social scene... and then it wasn't. It was fueled primarily by a lifestyle fantasy. Like every cultural fad, the hoards arrived suddenly, with insatiable appetites, and then moved on to graze in another pasture. BOOM... BUST. The tennis craze. The country/western urban cowboy craze. The racquetball boom. The Harley-Davidson boom and chopper-style motorcycles generally.
Fans of racing are not uncomfortable in a niche situation. Fans of The Nascar Lifestyle tend to be uncomfortable, but fans of racing have always made their own path. Mainstream sports enjoy numerous important advantages. The largest one is taxpayer funded infrastructure and development system. Another biggie is "the home team" effect that fuels stick-and-ball sports. If that's what you need, allow me to direct you to the exit ramp.
Sorry as an aside....I clicked that link and I have to say Earnhardt Jr was so good in 04. Really wish he had been closer to that Championshipshhh, that upsets people to be confronted with numbers.
I went to one race sitting in those backstretch seats, I didn't enjoy the race that much being in that area or those seats.There used to be backstretch stands at Phoenix as well, but in 2004 they didn't have as many seats in old 1-2 as they do now. There must've been about 50k on rattlesnake hillView attachment 36803
Don’t forget that UFC craze as well.
I quit going because the last time I went it cost me $500.00 for just me to go to the races and stay one night in a motel.
So go and watch the race from tightwad hill. It's a good place to watch from, and you don't have to pay the high prices at the concession stand. If you have reclining bucket seats you can sleep in the car. I'm only 57 years old, so I can still do the car thing if I have to. Then again I am usually by myself when I do that.I quit going because the last time I went it cost me $500.00 for just me to go to the races and stay one night in a motel.
Seen posted at a local short track.
That's the thing.fans are older, dying off and not enough new fans are being recruited.With the exception of select races I think attendance between 25-35,000 will be seen as normal. There are still plenty of current fans that would really like to go to the track but can't for a number of reasons. Being on a fixed income and health issues like arthritis, heart and vascular issues plus just getting older don't make it easy for a lot of today's NASCAR fans.
I wonder if the fans that pass away care anymore? You are so right, thanks for agreeing with me.That's the thing.fans are older, dying off and not enough new fans are being recruited.
Just an obvious observation, I think a lot of fans care, but for the ones that care, there are just as many who are disgusted and turning to other things to occupy their free time.I wonder if the fans that pass away care anymore? You are so right, thanks for agreeing with me.
I hope that is just your opinion because of your own dislikes. I am another old timerJust an obvious observation, I think a lot of fans care, but for the ones that care, there are just as many who are disgusted and turning to other things to occupy their free time.
I said this before, I'll give it 5 races, if it isn't good, I won't be watching too many after that. I for one thought this season had lots of good racing, so I couldn't understand why NASCAR wanted to change it.I hope that is just your opinion because of your own dislikes. I am another old timer
(75) and like many people my age I don't like to many changes. ( my memory can't keep track)
however I approach each year of racing with the anticipation of seeing what teams can adapt to the new rules for this year. On top of that, some drivers want their same car and so they mentally can not adapt to the current season system. I think this is what happened to JJ the last couple years. Next season he could be the winning driver with a different car.